Good on him, Melv. Noticed Steven Archer in attendance, he could also make a boggo Rs fly, probably more so.
OULTON PARK RS DAY 2014 IS GO!!
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Steve Brookes
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Also, worth bearing in mind that Spud was running in the newly rebuilt engine....so he was probably taking it easier than normal! [
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Steve Brookes
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No need to take it that way mate [ORIGINAL: kasbridge reading this in a london cab feeling very depressed - come on lads lay off now [
]. I think we're all just highlighting the difference a driver can make to how quick a 964 can go. At the risk of making them blush the passenger rides I've had with Melv, Hugh and Tim B have been eye opening experiences. []
PhilRS
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Hacki, as we know the 964RS/Cup has never been about bhp or speed. It is all about enjoying the quality of the experience, the purity of the feedback. And the car gives you plenty of time to do just that [][][]
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ORIGINAL: HackiHow much did Phil pay for that post?[ORIGINAL: Melv And I'm sure my car is down on power.... [
oldtimer
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Just seen your video Kevin - its good , just long enough .....well done ! Having a GoPro inside the cabin behind the driver is really useful once you have sorted out the settings. Adrian ( Spud) is just a natural driver , he's going to be quick whatever car and whatever circuit you give him . For the rest of us we just have to try harder , bit like being back at skool []
]John, Thanks, a well known (in these parts) mate of Spuds told me that his first car was a Moggie Minor van and that he was even quick in that! I think its all greeat fun and I would imagine a bit like golf - one great round (lap) in every dozen - consistency is the key and is elusive.... Looking forward to Anglesey! Cheers, Kevin
oldtimer
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I can compare them to Toyo 888's - the softer compound R1 recommended for DZ03G fronts on our 964s wears faster but grips more - the DL1 datalogger shows about 0.1 g increase in lateral grip at apex . The harder H1 compound DZ03G on rear seems to wear at same rate as Toyos , end result is that instead of renewing rears first , it's the fronts that need rotating first to balance out wear . I imagine the MPSCs might be grippier than Dunlops if grip is related to cost (!) but not by much , must be law of diminishing returns for increasing lateral g any more beyond what Toyos do. ......
Kevin, I wouldn't be feeling bad at all if I were you. Any implied criticism that you are not on the pace is entirely unfair: Spud may only be in a boggo RS with a rebuilt motor but it certainly wasn't short of 'squirt'. (I don't know Spud and he's kept out of this so I'm certainly not having a go at him). Your golf analogy is correct in one way - the more you practice the better you become, I'm not aware that you do that many track days or have had loads of instruction or race experience. You were faster than two Cup/Ngt type cars in attendance. Yours is a cherished car, standard set-up, laps consistently quickly, no spins, crashes, daft manoeuvres and significantly no damage, you're using it as the maker intended - what's not to like. These are just trackdays, racing is another matter entirely. We shouldn't get sniffy on here about who's quickest, get a licence for that. I really enjoyed your video btw. Ian.
Damn I miss these days - sounds like a cracking event with a great 964 showing. One thing to keep in mind, using a DL1 to measure grip levels of tyres, probably going to be hard, unless you are ultra consistent. The grip you'll get out of a tyre at any point on the corner, depends on the weight transfer too, so its harder to draw conculusions. Much better to do consistent laps within 0.5 sec stick on new rubber and go 1 sec faster. Aside from that the feel of the grip is probably a more accurate measure. If the tyres inspire confidence and are progressive, you probably go faster anyway. Missing my car - looking forward to Spa / Zaandvort.
I completely agree ... It is very easy to slip into a driving style which may impress in speed terms, but which becomes exponentially more consumptive of the car ! This is fun -- racing is also fun, but very much more expensive -- and not necessarily more fun ! Kev, I think you are in a very nice position, but maybe you will have to have a go at racing to realise it
Ian, thanks for the kind words, much appreciated. Chris - well, you know I want toORIGINAL: ChrisWI completely agree ... It is very easy to slip into a driving style which may impress in speed terms, but which becomes exponentially more consumptive of the car ! This is fun -- racing is also fun, but very much more expensive -- and not necessarily more fun ! Kev, I think you are in a very nice position, but maybe you will have to have a go at racing to realise it
You've got to be kidding Chris - Racing is soooooo much more fun than trackdays. I know its different things to different people, but hearing you all talk about keeping up with (or not) each other on track. As trackdays are non-competitive, you dont really know. You slowed in trackdays due to traffic alot, or to let cars past. The inability to overtake at will, and the lack of close quarter action is a big differentiator in my view. If you get the thrill out of driving with just you on the track, then fair enough. But as soon as you want to compare to others, then racing is the way to go. And it neednt be that expensive, its because we all want to race porsches.
Steve Brookes
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If anyone fancies a trip back to Oulton Park soon, a few of us will be there on Wed 25th June. It's with MSV again (organizers of the RS day) and I've arranged a 10% discount with them if we get 5 or more (full price is £229). To get the discount you need to phone your booking to MSV on 0843 453 3000 and quote '964 track club'. So far we have me, Kevin and Talat that are doing it. []
]It's expensive with chocolate engines and slicks ... As for the thrill, 'tis all true --- but so close that out of Old Hall on the start I had the end of a tyre valve cut-off --- was a little too close for me. And I am minded that the previous year Marcus and Pete went straight over the barriers at Old Hall on one of the starts, writing off both cars. But there is nothing to beat it when it's going well !
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