porsche 996 turbo vs 996 c4s
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I don't think there has been one thread where the C4s vs turbo debate has raged, and the OP has ended up wanting a C4s!
But the market is still pricing a good premium for C4s cars.[:-]
Therefore, all I can assume from this, is that either the C4s (gorgeous though it is) strongly appeals to people who are either misinformed about the turbo's running costs, and/or are buying on looks. Which surprises me, because at 40k+ you would expect people to do a lot of research on the car they want to buy, and would love to go the extra step and get a turbo - with it's legendary supercar status.
But then you also get a good premium for the 993 C2s and that doesn't even have the running gear of the C4s...and has been slated for having a bad ride compared to the narrow bodied models. So what do I know?[
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Oh well, I better shut up before Richard et al start sending the boys round with mallets to shut me up! [8D]
(And that's my 1000th post..who would have guessed it would have been on this kind of thread! lol)
But the market is still pricing a good premium for C4s cars.[:-]
Therefore, all I can assume from this, is that either the C4s (gorgeous though it is) strongly appeals to people who are either misinformed about the turbo's running costs, and/or are buying on looks. Which surprises me, because at 40k+ you would expect people to do a lot of research on the car they want to buy, and would love to go the extra step and get a turbo - with it's legendary supercar status.
But then you also get a good premium for the 993 C2s and that doesn't even have the running gear of the C4s...and has been slated for having a bad ride compared to the narrow bodied models. So what do I know?[
]Oh well, I better shut up before Richard et al start sending the boys round with mallets to shut me up! [8D]
(And that's my 1000th post..who would have guessed it would have been on this kind of thread! lol)
ORIGINAL: Rodney Naghar
I don't think there has been one thread where the C4s vs turbo debate has raged, and the OP has ended up wanting a C4s!
But the market is still pricing a good premium for C4s cars.[:-]
Therefore, all I can assume from this, is that either the C4s (gorgeous though it is) strongly appeals to people who are either misinformed about the turbo's running costs, and/or are buying on looks. Which surprises me, because at 40k+ you would expect people to do a lot of research on the car they want to buy, and would love to go the extra step and get a turbo - with it's legendary supercar status.
But then you also get a good premium for the 993 C2s and that doesn't even have the running gear of the C4s...and has been slated for having a bad ride compared to the narrow bodied models. So what do I know?[
Oh well, I better shut up before Richard et al start sending the boys round with mallets to shut me up! [8D]
(And that's my 1000th post..who would have guessed it would have been on this kind of thread! lol)
You've started me soul-searching now... however, I stand by my decision and I consider myself to be a very informed buyer. I looked at Turbos when I bought mine in feb this year, and I would have had to spend more money to get an earlier higher miles Turbo than my C4S. Not a lot more in % terms, but £5,000 is a lot of extra hard-earned, and can pay for a lot of holidays, school fees etc! I did by the C4S because of its looks- I loved my 993, and the rear reflector and 'big hips' reminds me of it in some way. I love the purity of the n/a grunt, i.e. press the accelerator and go, rather than waiting for the turbo to spool up. I love the fact that I can enjoy most of the performance without ending up in jail.
On Autotrader around the £40k mark, you are looking at a 2000-2001 Turbo, compared with a 2002-2003 C4S. I even saw a nice looking 2004 C4S with 36000 miles and plenty of toys for £43k.
(Well I've got to do something to stop all the good TTs being snapped up before they reach my price bracket!) [] []
I'll confess that I have never been in a 996TT, so I have a couple of questions for TT owners. Does the turbo take a while to spool up? I thought that was the whole point of twin turbos - to reduce the lag. What's it like in the real world of cross-town traffic?
I shouldn't be asking these questions really. [8|] [8|]
(Well I've got to do something to stop all the good TTs being snapped up before they reach my price bracket!) [
] []I'll confess that I have never been in a 996TT, so I have a couple of questions for TT owners. Does the turbo take a while to spool up? I thought that was the whole point of twin turbos - to reduce the lag. What's it like in the real world of cross-town traffic?
I shouldn't be asking these questions really. [8|] [8|]
Guest
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Not being a turbo owner....these links explain all..
though the 996 as i understand spools up at 2000rpm, where as the 997 it very different and Boost is always there....
997: Top Gear
http://youtube.com/watch?v=maFaWixdJGM
Fifth Gear 996 Turbo (volumn is loud)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=as32y0eOccg
I used to own a Subaru, and this use to spool up at 2800rpm and die out at near 6000rpm...i then changed the turbo for a bigger one, and it spooled up at 3200rpm...and just did not run out of puff.... (just as a example)
Of this car had two Turbo's the Lag is minimised, as the first turbo will work at a lower rev range..
though the 996 as i understand spools up at 2000rpm, where as the 997 it very different and Boost is always there....
997: Top Gear
http://youtube.com/watch?v=maFaWixdJGM
Fifth Gear 996 Turbo (volumn is loud)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=as32y0eOccg
I used to own a Subaru, and this use to spool up at 2800rpm and die out at near 6000rpm...i then changed the turbo for a bigger one, and it spooled up at 3200rpm...and just did not run out of puff.... (just as a example)
Of this car had two Turbo's the Lag is minimised, as the first turbo will work at a lower rev range..
FWIW I was at the lights behind a 996 turbo a year or so ago. He dropped his windows when he saw me and I knew he wanted to bit of fun. As the lights turned green he began to absolutely and comprehensively leave me for dust in less than 100 metres. It was so embarrassing! The turbo cannot be considered in a different league to the Carrera, it is on a different planet![8D]
Having been in a turbo 'S' I can vouch for the insane acceleration available, and how quicky the road just runs out, and the needle flys to 100mph in so very little time! There was significant lag though (but the 'S' does use the bigger K24s) []
Having been in a turbo 'S' I can vouch for the insane acceleration available, and how quicky the road just runs out, and the needle flys to 100mph in so very little time! There was significant lag though (but the 'S' does use the bigger K24s) [
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Then I won't make any comments about you being the only person to manage to drive straight down a skid pan![8D][][][][]
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I've had turbo cars before (Audi S2, Impreza WRX) so I'm used to the characteristics of a single turbo engine. I also appreciate that the variable vane turbocharger used on the 997 virtually eliminates any lag. I guess what I really want to know is what the 996TT is like to drive in town traffic. Can you just pootle along? When you want to go for that gap, do you have to think about it? I'm thinking about a tiptronic, by the way.
I suppose the only answer would be to go and drive one, but I daren't do that yet. [][] Maybe I need to read up a bit more, and just dream about it for a while longer.
I suppose the only answer would be to go and drive one, but I daren't do that yet. [
][] Maybe I need to read up a bit more, and just dream about it for a while longer.
Sad thing is that I AM that old - I'm on my second tip already. I would still prefer a manual if it was a weekend car, but I love the tip for (my type of) every day use - but PLEASE let's not turn this into another manual vs. tip thread! [] []
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Grant
New member
There is a small amount of lag, but as you say two smaller units working together reduce this to very low levels, although you do feel it more on the X-50 cars due to the larger Turbos!
Lag is only really evident at low revs (& you learn to drive around any slight delay), from 3k upwards it is pretty instant. Mid-range in gear grunt is awesome (above 2.5-3k), but you can get a slightly agrovating soft throttle response when changing gear if the boost drops off! Flat out the car doesn't so much accelerate as "lunge" from one point to another, 2nd gear is the one..... it's fairground stuff coming out of a corner foot flat to the floor 4WD & 030 suspension containing the g-forces as the smile spreads across your face[
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ORIGINAL: Grant
There is a small amount of lag, but as you say two smaller units working together reduce this to very low levels, although you do feel it more on the X-50 cars due to the larger Turbos!
Lag is only really evident at low revs (& you learn to drive around any slight delay), from 3k upwards it is pretty instant. Mid-range in gear grunt is awesome (above 2.5-3k), but you can get a slightly agrovating soft throttle response when changing gear if the boost drops off! Flat out the car doesn't so much accelerate as "lunge" from one point to another, 2nd gear is the one..... it's fairground stuff coming out of a corner foot flat to the floor 4WD & 030 suspension containing the g-forces as the smile spreads across your face[
Thanks Grant. Sounds very much like the 993TT fairground ride. Just need the kids to close their accounts at the Bank of Mum and Dad. Shouldn't be too long now hopefully.
TJ101
New member
Ok, where to start, my TT with the X50 kit, round town, is a total pussy cat, even the wife can/could drive it !! If you are not in the mood ! (rarely) just leave in 6th, and let the torque do the job,
Does the turbos take time to get going ?, very little, and compared to my old 964 3.6, which had a blower the size of a dustbin, the power is virtually simultaneous,(and nearly idiot-proof , unlike the 964 !! [] ) certainly has more instant available go!! than the previous C4S did in the same gear, i.e. if caught out in the wrong one, and that hole appears !![] ![[FONT=verdana,geneva"]](/forum/styles/default/pcgb/space.gif ". [FONT=verdana,geneva\"]")
Does the turbos take time to get going ?, very little, and compared to my old 964 3.6, which had a blower the size of a dustbin, the power is virtually simultaneous,(and nearly idiot-proof , unlike the 964 !! [
] ) certainly has more instant available go!! than the previous C4S did in the same gear, i.e. if caught out in the wrong one, and that hole appears !![] 
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