rejecting my Porsche 997 turbo

[chrishak]

ORIGINAL: tscaptain

Out of interest I have e-mailed the OP to see if
a) he is still with us
b) there is any progress in the matter and
c) if so could he please update us

I wouldn't say the suspense is killing me but it's nice to see a resolution, one way or the other, to these issues.

Agreed - it's poor form to elicit the help and opinions of others on a forum (with considerable input to this particular thread), without updating them. We're all interested in the outcome of this one - who knows who might be next?

 

[Clewsey]

ORIGINAL: mascanes


Hey Guys .............. once again this thread, like other threads from you Turbo owner guys, is beginning to sound like the "Porsche Turbo Appreciation Society" ! Please remember its also a basic bog standard 911 forum too chaps.........

Rightfully so, you are all saying how good your Porsche cars are and how reliable your lovely cars are, but most of these comments are from 911 Turbo owners. Us non-turbo owners do not have the luxury of your fantastic engine .......... my Gen 1 engine is basically rubbish, built and designed during Porsche's bad times.......

During a recent visit to JZM I was chatting to Steve McHale. I decided to try them with an ongoing problem I had. So I took my car for them to work on. They didn't fix it by the way, but neither did the OPC. Steve informed me during a departing chat, that they had to strip down a Gen 1 engine couple of years ago, and Steve McHale said he had seen Flymo's better assembled than the Gen 1 engine. Now, as you can imagine that made me feel realy great, NOT! Needless to say I wont be going back to them again, as I felt like a true "under-dog" He said the Gen 2 engine is better but not much!

Re Harvards comments about possibly looking at V8 Vantage, and Clewesy's comments about his friends spending more time at Aston works more than with its owners. I have a couple of friends (3 actually) that have V8 Vantage's, of one which I have driven, and they've not had any problems. Correct, they are not a total drivers car like the Turbo, but the driving experience felt very close to my Gen 1 911. And you can get a very nice one for only a few dollars more!

I've read the Hartech 77 page document on the various non turbo engines and the work they have done, it is amazing. Very impressive, but also very worrying. But you Turbo chaps don't have troll through all this stuff to give you a warm fuzzy in your underpants everytime you go for a spirited drive, to make you feel everything is ok, when really deep down its not...........

You may all wonder where I am going with this post. Well, you Turbo guys enjoy your cars, because they are truly great cars with great engines. But please don't try and convince prospective or current owners that the non-turbo cars (Gen 1 mainly) are good cars based on your experience, because there is no comparison between the two machines, and you are giving false hope and expectations.

Yours truly, a lowly 911 Gen 1 owner.............. Up for Sale by the way

Mike

Mike,

I've never had a Turbo - only NA Gen 2 cars. In the 4 and a bit years, I've not had an "proper" issue with my engine (and done various trackdays - 180mph on the autobahn etc etc) so it can't be too bad. At the end of the day, any car can be a lemon (even a Turbo). Life's too short! just enjoy whatever car and think yourself lucky you drive these kind of cars. There are folk who can only dream. I think myself a lucky boy

Simon

 

[marlin]

ORIGINAL: tscaptain

Out of interest I have e-mailed the OP to see if
a) he is still with us
b) there is any progress in the matter and
c) if so could he please update us

I wouldn't say the suspense is killing me but it's nice to see a resolution, one way or the other, to these issues.

Maybe his Solictor has advised him that posting the details on a public forum may jeopardise a suitable agreement with the OPC , just a thought [8|]

 

[tscaptain]

If that were the case Graham then maybe he would have come back and deleted the original post![8|] We may never know!

 

[themadmcgill]

Hi Chaps, Sorry for my lack of communication over the past few months. I was told by my solicitor to be careful in regards to posting information on websites.
I think I can be fair in saying that eventually the dealership offered me a new replacement car which I was happy to accept but my solicitor asked me not to contact the dealer until he had put everything in place. Anyway to cut a long story short and having to threaten to take them to court they offered me a refund which I have accepted. Now this still has not gone through yet but should be within the next week or two. However upon receiving this refund I have to sign a contract stating I can never discuss this subject again. I am still out of pocket as the dealer did not agree to pay the full solicitor costs but it has nearly been a year now so I have decided to cut my losses.
Like I said I am sorry for leaving you all in the dark for so long and I do not know what to do now in regards to a replacement. Do I stick to the Porsche brand but try a different dealer or buy something completely different.
I am absolutely gutted to be honest as the turbo has always been my dream car.
Thank you all for all your kind help and support. all the best

 

[dereksharpuk]

I think your experience has been quite unusual. Of course, cars are never perfect. I have rejected one Porsche, one Ford and one Saab (which was for rubbish paintwork). However, the vast majority of Porsches are are far better than most other cars. Todays Porsche is nigh on perfect and the only drawback is depreciation. But that affects many different brands. The bottom line is that sadly one cannot always expect perfection, but the measure of a dealership is how they respond to customer complaints. My OPC are brilliant in that respect.

 

[tscaptain]

ORIGINAL: themadmcgill

I do not know what to do now in regards to a replacement. Do I stick to the Porsche brand but try a different dealer or buy something completely different.
I am absolutely gutted to be honest as the turbo has always been my dream car.

As Derek says we think your predicament was most unusual. I have had my Gen 2 turbo for over two years now and I think it is simply stunning. I would put the experience behind you, go to a different centre and live your dream![]

 

[garyw]

Thanks for the update and whilst I'm sorry it hasn't been sorted out in the way I'd of thought the dealer should have done so, I'm pleased that your in a better place.
As others have said yours was exceptional and whilst I understand why you wouldn't - I'd go to another dealer and see what they can do and get the car you should have had.

garyw

 

[hamishmoon]

quote:

ORIGINAL: themadmcgill

I do not know what to do now in regards to a replacement. Do I stick to the Porsche brand but try a different dealer or buy something completely different.
I am absolutely gutted to be honest as the turbo has always been my dream car.

I had the same dream car in mind for years, I have only ever had one Porsche , so far perfect , no need to say anymore
so get back to sleep and finish that dream and go for it, you can't be dissapointed twice, we want to read youe next Post with the biggest smile on it . we are all waiting,
[]

 

[flat6]

I'm glad you've reached a resolution Mr Mcgill. However, I can imagine it will be hard for you to decide to go for another one when you're still out of pocket from the first one. Also the ordeal of getting it resolved must be off-putting when considering potential issues with the next one. This factory must put out a few decent examples[] but I doubt that anyone else's positive experiences will win you over.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N_9X0d_7nKw
I suppose automation is good minimising errors but not so good for trapping the rarer exceptions once they've somehow escaped the checks.

I'd be interested to hear what you might choose instead. I guess only considering the alternatives will help you decide whether, not fulfilling your original dream is your loss or your gain.

As for the rebuke against turbo owners praising their cars, a potential turbo buyer was concerned after reading this thread, so what's wrong with providing a little reassurance? I wouldn't bother with the forum if it was all positive or all negative as I wouldn't learn as much as in a balanced environment. Many were keen to hear the outcome of this one, not overlook it. To be fair, these bodywork defects could afflict any 997 or any Porsche model undergoing the same production processes and using the same materials. The engines are a different issue and nothing has been said to suggest that one should overlook bodywork issues because the turbo engine is so great. Equally, it's good for people to hear about engine issues (I learnt a lot from those tales when running a car with that engine, but mine was trouble free) but also that not all people have experienced disaster with the normally aspirated engines of a particular era.

What isn't in doubt is the massive effort needed to get a near satisfactory outcome in this case and that is what I find most concerning.

P.S. I've had my own issues with OPC's, so i'm no Porsche worshipper.[]