RUF 944S For Sale
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Where did my picture from last year come from and why?
The photos of this car have been so processed, I wonder what they are hiding, or am I being cynical?
An 1984 car would obviously have had a square dash and an 8 not 16v engine, both could and probably were, changed for the quoted price of the "modifications". Lots of 944s were updated with Turbo front ends, (particularly after front end incidents), so I suppose replacing say, a blown engine and updating the interior may have made sense at that time.
I have a few other questions about it, why did it have new belts a year (and few miles) apart? But mainly, what RUF parts were used, I see no mention or sight of any, bar the stickers?
All this was completed 20 years ago, without apparently any RUF parts, so that lot is pretty irrelevant, it doesn't matter who did the work back then and we are always talking about recent service history, which it says it has.
So we have is a stripped out shell, Sparco seat, track biased, early 944 with a replacement non-standard engine and chip, replacement suspension and an eye catching paint job.
But if the condition of it is as good as it says, £7k should get you a fun track toy.
It is however being marketed badly, poor pictures little detail, if it has proper RUF bits they should be listed, along with what make of suspension, seats, chip (or tuner) etc.
The photos of this car have been so processed, I wonder what they are hiding, or am I being cynical?
An 1984 car would obviously have had a square dash and an 8 not 16v engine, both could and probably were, changed for the quoted price of the "modifications". Lots of 944s were updated with Turbo front ends, (particularly after front end incidents), so I suppose replacing say, a blown engine and updating the interior may have made sense at that time.
I have a few other questions about it, why did it have new belts a year (and few miles) apart? But mainly, what RUF parts were used, I see no mention or sight of any, bar the stickers?
All this was completed 20 years ago, without apparently any RUF parts, so that lot is pretty irrelevant, it doesn't matter who did the work back then and we are always talking about recent service history, which it says it has.
So we have is a stripped out shell, Sparco seat, track biased, early 944 with a replacement non-standard engine and chip, replacement suspension and an eye catching paint job.
But if the condition of it is as good as it says, £7k should get you a fun track toy.
It is however being marketed badly, poor pictures little detail, if it has proper RUF bits they should be listed, along with what make of suspension, seats, chip (or tuner) etc.
924Srr27l
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zcacogp said:
It may seem that I am, (Defending this car so hard)
But it was, and is an interesting car as you can see from the Views!
Unyet the high number of views was not because of this car, but I think pretty much from the very first reply to page 3 most of the content has been a war from a select few with the car and me, and then me, and then the car etc...and hence the majority of my replies and the content were from me pointing out it's not a bad egg, or am I and many requests to refrain from the constant personal abuse hurling and calling me several names ...
This is as ever a reply to your question, and not a prompt for more NON topic related replies or rudeness..
The car made £8100 and I'm sure will be back up for sale again sometime soon
R
Would like to see it. £8K is a lot for a messed around 2.5. It would need to be documented and recent and well done to be worth that.
Hope it was viewed in the flesh.
Hope it was viewed in the flesh.
924Srr27l
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Mike_Pollock said:
I don't think it was sold, it'll be back on shortly I'm sure?
As you know I've also substantially messed around (37K) with my original 2.5 924S and got an agreed Insurance
and PCGB (Steve Kevlin) Valuation both @ £35,000, it is Fully documented on paper and on it's own domain website.
Modified modern cars don't usually retain the input, but maybe in this current era Modified classics do... ?
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edh
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I can see you're very proud of your insurance valuation as you rarely fail to mention it. Cost to replace...? It's fair to say your car is unique so you wouldn't be able to buy another one, you'd have to build it. As for market value - you're not seriously suggesting anyone would hand over £35k to buy it from you?
I would guess that this "rough" car will be unsold, either a shill bidder or rejected not as described and will reappear in a few months.
Do you think it's got some special lightweight parts fitted?
I would guess that this "rough" car will be unsold, either a shill bidder or rejected not as described and will reappear in a few months.
Do you think it's got some special lightweight parts fitted?
Roger,,with respect why do you feel need the to keep bringing up how much you have spent on your car?....924Srr27l said:
Many of us have spent lots and lots on our cars over the years but dont feel the need to bang on about it in what seems every other thread of yours or others,,,,
It appears you maybe your own worst enemy or you enjoy making yourself feel better by making others feel negative?,,,,
your responses have been factious and patronising a lot of the time with a smidgen of passive aggression,,,,,
i hope you take this as constructive criticism as i have not been abusive or obscene as You say others have been,
i am off to have fun on the m25 and the twistys around epping forest now,,,,jason
924Srr27l
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edh said:I can see you're very proud of your insurance valuation as you rarely fail to mention it. Cost to replace...? It's fair to say your car is unique so you wouldn't be able to buy another one, you'd have to build it. As for market value - you're not seriously suggesting anyone would hand over £35k to buy it from you?
I would guess that this "rough" car will be unsold, either a shill bidder or rejected not as described and will reappear in a few months.
Do you think it's got some special lightweight parts fitted?
Proud ? Not at all more like Shocked & Surprised and as you've mentioned (like the RUF) it has also been messed around from stock.
Yes that's exactly what the Letter descriptive says :
"We would estimate the current market value of this vehicle to be in the region of £35,000"
The Insured value last August was 30k, but I've increased this now since this letter and it's been agreed at 35K
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MartinRS2K
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924Srr27l said:
How can you be shocked and surprised when you have asked for it to be valued at £35k?
Steve Kevlin is only putting the figure on the valuation that you send him on the valuation form
I don't know your car or what mileage it has so I won't comment on your valuation, but a concours 924 Turbo with less than 30,000 miles in green recently sold for £32,000 and this in my opinion is near the pinnacle of 924 cars (excluding the GT and GTS)
And this mint concours example sold for under £22k
http://bicestersportscars.co.uk/car-sales/1982-porsche-924-turbo/
924Srr27l
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The spends and value was relevant for this post, a modified car for sale which has also had thousands spent on it.
Usually money spent on modifications is not something a vehicle retains in value, except this seems to be changing with the current market increases.
I don't quite understand why you or anyone would feel negative because another Porsche owner has spent a lot of money on his car ? it doesn't make me feel any different if other people have spent £5, £5000 or £50K ! neither does it bother me what anyone thinks about my car, it's not for them.
Your right, you haven't been "Abusive and obscene" as others have done so and it's a credit to you for not only recognising this (Although it's not difficult to see) but also to publish it. Neither have or will I, also lower myself to the this type of behaviour.
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924Srr27l
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MartinRS2K said:
That could of explained everything yes I totally agree, but I didn't ask or put any figures down on the Valuation form!
Adrian Flux offered my a 16K Agreed value, another company 12k, but for a higher annual premium Classic line were highest
so I went for that.
My car's not Mint or concours at all, before the Valuation came back I was thinking it would of been worth more in it's original condition.
R
MartinRS2K
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Excuse my ignorance, but if Adrian Flux valued it at £16k and the other company at £12k then how did you get it to be worth £30k??? Then how did you 6 months later decide it was worth another £5k?
Paying a higher premium has got you a higher valuation, but will Classic Line stand by the valuation?? The Club's insurers (Lockton's) questioned one of my valuations and that was a rare 964 Jubilee and I had to prove why it had that value (National Concours Winner, very low mileage, FSH, Immaculate interior, low owners etc.) and had to send them plenty of pictures to prove this. Once this was seen they then agreed to the valuation of the car.
Has Classic Line asked to see lots of photos and had comprehensive details about the car? If not then I would be asking them to confirm this or heaven forbid the worst did happen you may end up with a major argument regarding the payout.
And how do I know this? Well I used to be the Ford RS Owners Club MK2 RS2000 Registrar and one of my major roles was to value cars accurately and then liaise with insurance companies on the owners behalf if there was an incident, having to prove why the valuation I had given was correct and give photo evidence and detailed notes regarding the car (all kept on file for each valuation I preformed). I also had to show similar vehicles that had been sold to back up the valuations given.
Paying a higher premium has got you a higher valuation, but will Classic Line stand by the valuation?? The Club's insurers (Lockton's) questioned one of my valuations and that was a rare 964 Jubilee and I had to prove why it had that value (National Concours Winner, very low mileage, FSH, Immaculate interior, low owners etc.) and had to send them plenty of pictures to prove this. Once this was seen they then agreed to the valuation of the car.
Has Classic Line asked to see lots of photos and had comprehensive details about the car? If not then I would be asking them to confirm this or heaven forbid the worst did happen you may end up with a major argument regarding the payout.
And how do I know this? Well I used to be the Ford RS Owners Club MK2 RS2000 Registrar and one of my major roles was to value cars accurately and then liaise with insurance companies on the owners behalf if there was an incident, having to prove why the valuation I had given was correct and give photo evidence and detailed notes regarding the car (all kept on file for each valuation I preformed). I also had to show similar vehicles that had been sold to back up the valuations given.
924Srr27l
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MartinRS2K said:
I had a few different types of records, illustrations, photos & documents which were used for the Insurance quotes and PCGB Valuation.
- Website www.924srr27l.co.uk
- 18 page Costing / Excel document / list with every New, reconditioned, and rebuilt component and all the Labour costs and breakdown from 5 different companies, the country of origin and sub categorised into sections EG Brakes, Suspension, Interior etc..
- 50 Colour Photos
- Porsche and Indie Service Stamps / History book
All insurance is a Scam..
Adrian Flux had 2 options either market value + Mods or An agreed Value on a like for like basis of replacing all the listed parts.
Eg: the total cost of the car + all the work was 37K, and from memory this includes the Purchase at 4K which they said could rise and hence in the event of a claim the payout could be more if the vehicle's market value had risen. The other option would be fixed at replacement costs for all the parts, unyet I questioned how they came to 16K then to replace 37K ? not only did they do a Politician thing, (wriggle and not directly answer this!) but also added in the event of a Claim a settlement figure would be presented! Meaning their agree Value really was set in stone at all anyway!
I can't remember who the other one was ? Hastings classic & Modified ? or something anyway they were lower and sounded like although they were advertising for modified vehicles the usual suspects were a different back box and a couple of bucket seats! So they were for sure scared when they saw the extensive documentation and hence their agree value was very low..
I was lucky to find Classic Line who were able to answer all my questions and also confirm an Agreed Value is exactly that.
The Premium was only £100 more than Flux (£350 pa)
R
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