silver rose owners
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I wouldn't buy a LHD cab in the UK (assuming that's where you are) - they have a huge blindspot at the rear three-quarter position that would cause loads of problems at angled junctions and roundabouts. RHD is fine as you don't often need to see that angle in a car with the steering wheel on the correct side for the side of the road you're driving on.![[FONT=verdana,geneva"]](/forum/styles/default/pcgb/space.gif ". [FONT=verdana,geneva\"]")
I had a LHD S2 coupe and also a couple of cars you could only get in LHD. I wouldn't have another one in the UK personally unless it was LHD only and I really wanted it. I'd have an M5 Touring but they were LHD only and I didn't want one enough. There aren't any other Silver Rose coloured Silve Rose owners on here but there are one or two owners of Silver Rose cars in other colours around. If you want it as a collectors item why are you changing to linen seats?
I had a LHD S2 coupe and also a couple of cars you could only get in LHD. I wouldn't have another one in the UK personally unless it was LHD only and I really wanted it. I'd have an M5 Touring but they were LHD only and I didn't want one enough. There aren't any other Silver Rose coloured Silve Rose owners on here but there are one or two owners of Silver Rose cars in other colours around. If you want it as a collectors item why are you changing to linen seats?Depends what you mean by Turbo S - that's normally an outside UK term (particularly US) for what we'd call the Turbo SE. Silver Rose spec was no sunroof, lightweight windscreen, M030 suspension, K26/8 turbo and other 250bhp engine changes, "reasonably" big blacks, forged alloys and usually studio check non-sport seats. They are all '88 MY cars so usually E reg but with some on an F. Most F plate Turbos were SEs with a sunroof and normal windscreen. The early Silver Rose cars were silberosso with burgundy cloth interior. Since a lot of people thought that looked like dirty silver with pink tartan they eventually allowed them to be ordered in any current colour. To be honest it was a spectacularly badly handled limited run; the colour was questionable, even in the 80's so put people off, there was no numbered plaque or certificate of authenticity, nobody truly knows how many were built and then to cap it all the series car was effectively developed into the same thing which p'd off everybody who'd paid a premuim for one. Classic. Perhaps due to all of the above I don't believe the Silver Rose cars are especially sought after, at least not to the extent that they command a premuim over others. Of course they are worth more than a 220 turbo and there were no 250s of the same age so it's difficult to gauge how they compare with later 250s. I'd say all 944s are valued on condition rather than age these days and suspect that two otherwise identical Turbos, one Silver Rose and the other '89 would be worth the same. I do think some should be preserved unmoletsed as part of the history of the model though.
Silver Rose spec was no sunroof, lightweight windscreen, M030 suspension, K26/8 turbo and other 250bhp engine changes, "reasonably" big blacks, forged alloys and usually studio check non-sport seats. They are all '88 MY cars so usually E reg but with some on an F. Most F plate Turbos were SEs with a sunroof and normal windscreen. The early Silver Rose cars were silberosso with burgundy cloth interior. Since a lot of people thought that looked like dirty silver with pink tartan they eventually allowed them to be ordered in any current colour. To be honest it was a spectacularly badly handled limited run; the colour was questionable, even in the 80's so put people off, there was no numbered plaque or certificate of authenticity, nobody truly knows how many were built and then to cap it all the series car was effectively developed into the same thing which p'd off everybody who'd paid a premuim for one. Classic. Perhaps due to all of the above I don't believe the Silver Rose cars are especially sought after, at least not to the extent that they command a premuim over others. Of course they are worth more than a 220 turbo and there were no 250s of the same age so it's difficult to gauge how they compare with later 250s. I'd say all 944s are valued on condition rather than age these days and suspect that two otherwise identical Turbos, one Silver Rose and the other '89 would be worth the same. I do think some should be preserved unmoletsed as part of the history of the model though.
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according to my reearch there was about 750 silver roses made in the world america got the bulk while ithink there was about 200 for the uk silver rose is the colour and is a se or s they were supposed to be 1 off colour as soon as i get more info i'll post it. i did find a register of turbo s,s and they were all over the world but the register closed in 2001
My missus has had an Ibiza for nearly 6 years now - bought it new and it's now got 60k+ on it, on it's second set of brake pads and discs (original rears) and second set of tyres half worn. It has only had a timing belt tensioner and window motor fail apart from service and wear items. I had a current Ibiza TDI Sport myself for a few months but it was boring even with the Revo chip. There was a time I'd have cheerfully burned it but now the Pug has behaved itself for a few thousand miles I actually quite like it although it isn't significantly cheaper to run than the S2 cab it replaced. I still definitely have it through choice rather than necessity and I'd rather have it than anything else worth around the same money and I don't want to throw any more at a shopping/commuting car when I still have a list of things to do to my Turbo. I'm not sure where you are finding your info on the Silver Rose but if you dig further you'll find contradicting info elsewhere. I've seen figures of up to 1625 built, most in Silver Rose but unknown the number which were other colours and something like 150 to 200 total in the UK. Silver Rose was the original colour but as I said above it isn't to everyone's taste so after a few months the same spec was offered in the other MY88 colours. Most seem to be black, red or white though I think Lee's is one and it's a lovely blue, darker than Baltic.
I'm not sure where you are finding your info on the Silver Rose but if you dig further you'll find contradicting info elsewhere. I've seen figures of up to 1625 built, most in Silver Rose but unknown the number which were other colours and something like 150 to 200 total in the UK. Silver Rose was the original colour but as I said above it isn't to everyone's taste so after a few months the same spec was offered in the other MY88 colours. Most seem to be black, red or white though I think Lee's is one and it's a lovely blue, darker than Baltic.
Diver944
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Plenty of info in Peter Morgans book 'Original Porsche 924/944/968'
He states a worldwide production of 1635 250bhp cars in 1988, mostly in the Silver Rose colour but in fact the original customer could choose any colour. At the time the 250bhp car cost 10% more than the 220bhp and most owners thought they were getting something special and in limited numbers. However in 1989 all Turbos took on the same spec as the Silver Roses. Whether you call it an S, an SE or a Silver Rose, they are basically all the same car.
Out of interest, adding up Peter Morgans figures in his book, the total production of all 250bhp Turbos was 6,373, 220bhp cars was 18,247 and Turbo Cabrios was 625. The total worldwide production of 944 Turbos in all guises was 25,245 I wonder how many are left today
He states a worldwide production of 1635 250bhp cars in 1988, mostly in the Silver Rose colour but in fact the original customer could choose any colour. At the time the 250bhp car cost 10% more than the 220bhp and most owners thought they were getting something special and in limited numbers. However in 1989 all Turbos took on the same spec as the Silver Roses. Whether you call it an S, an SE or a Silver Rose, they are basically all the same car.
Out of interest, adding up Peter Morgans figures in his book, the total production of all 250bhp Turbos was 6,373, 220bhp cars was 18,247 and Turbo Cabrios was 625. The total worldwide production of 944 Turbos in all guises was 25,245 I wonder how many are left today
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wow my mind is starting to cook with all this info i didnt know what i was leting myself i for when i bought a porsche but this has opened up a whole new chapter for me ....bored man just entered mid life crisis.....wonder if he will let me have a harley davidson to go with it ?.......mmmmmmmmm[&:]
TTM
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As for Morgan's book, do you know how to understand the two series of VINs mentioned for the 944 turbo '91 Model Year ?
WPOZZZ95ZMN100001-10250
WPOZZZ95ZMN100927-1088
It seems to me the first series is a typo as the last VIN should read 0250 instead of 10250 (there isn't enough room in the VIN to put one more digit).
If this is true the total number of Euro MY90 and MY91 944 turbos built should be :
1089 + (250 + (1088 - 927 + 1)) = 1501, which would mean they are actually rarer than the so-called "limited edition" 1635 944 turbo Ss.
I don't know how reliable these figures are, though, and I don't see why they would have used two series of VINs for the 1991 model year.
If the supposed typo is true than there would be no MY91 944 turbo with VINs ranking between 0250 and 0927. Strange indeed [8|]
WPOZZZ95ZMN100001-10250
WPOZZZ95ZMN100927-1088
It seems to me the first series is a typo as the last VIN should read 0250 instead of 10250 (there isn't enough room in the VIN to put one more digit).
If this is true the total number of Euro MY90 and MY91 944 turbos built should be :
1089 + (250 + (1088 - 927 + 1)) = 1501, which would mean they are actually rarer than the so-called "limited edition" 1635 944 turbo Ss.
I don't know how reliable these figures are, though, and I don't see why they would have used two series of VINs for the 1991 model year.
If the supposed typo is true than there would be no MY91 944 turbo with VINs ranking between 0250 and 0927. Strange indeed [8|]
ORIGINAL: Lemon
Hi Fen
Mine is an 88 on an F, which does have no sunroof and does indeed have MO30.
Log book states Turbo S.
So I am guessing mine is Silver Rose, in as you very kindly said a very nice dark blue(well i love it [])
Cheers
Lee
I would say that it was Lee and you are a lucky person.
No offence intended but, with pinky silver paint and pink check interior I can't see that a "Classic" Silver Rose has much going for it. On the other hand, with such lovelies as no sunroof, lightweight windscreen, M030 and K26/8 one could almost put up with a car that would make others question your sexuality. Lee, on the other hand, has all the advantages and a mans colour - top marks Lee.
Hilux
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Interestingly, mine is an 88 (E) on a 97 body (designated `94`) BUT it has the 250 bhp engine, mo30, rebuildable konis, split rear seats, gearbox oil cooler, 928 brakes, 10 speaker stereo, no sunroof, correct gearbox with lsd and hardened gears, wider wheels, burgundy pin stripe interior with sports seats (4 way switched only) etc etc but its original colour (inner wings only as the engine wasnt removed) suggests a golden tinged silver rather than a pink silver. It has had a superb full `everything off` respray in `Leinen` metallic silver ??? but I cant believe anyone would go to all that trouble to up spec a standard 220 turbo.....................
What do you all think it might be?
Ho hum...................
Lemon
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Cheers John
I did not realise it was a rose until this post.
Which I am now realising it looks like it is and as you said a very pretty colour.
Also has the factory 10 speaker upgrade, cruise control, split rear seats and the other obvious bits. Black leather sport seats.
Looking forward to getting it back on tuesday after its 5 weeks away even more now. And as the M030 has been rebuilt it should hug corners even better.
Lee[]
I did not realise it was a rose until this post.
Which I am now realising it looks like it is and as you said a very pretty colour.
Also has the factory 10 speaker upgrade, cruise control, split rear seats and the other obvious bits. Black leather sport seats.
Looking forward to getting it back on tuesday after its 5 weeks away even more now. And as the M030 has been rebuilt it should hug corners even better.
Lee[
]I wondered about mine at first as it was registered in 88 on an F plate. It must be one of the first that was built in a different colour. It is indeed a 250 bhp model and has the MO30 spec , reasonabley big blacks, full white/cream leather interior (which I gather from some is a bit rare, very 80's) and has a sunroof.
I wasn't in search for an SE but the guy who sold it to me really didn't have a clue what he was selling. Now, I just enjoy the car as a 944T with a view to keep it in good nick and take advantage of some of the upgrades whilst trying to save some pennies for a 993 Turbo4 to keep it company.[]
I wasn't in search for an SE but the guy who sold it to me really didn't have a clue what he was selling. Now, I just enjoy the car as a 944T with a view to keep it in good nick and take advantage of some of the upgrades whilst trying to save some pennies for a 993 Turbo4 to keep it company.[
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