Sports Exhaust
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AndySmith
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Lots of info here, thanks everyone. I have seen cars with Sports Chrono Plus packages that have two equal size exhaust tips on each side but they always have buttons marked "SPORT" or a graphic of twin pipes. The car I am considering has equal size tips and no button whatsoever! I am going to ask for the VIN to check the option codes with the OPC and also ask the dealer if it is an aftermarket non OEM part.
Please keep the responses coming and I will also feedback when I have some further info. This is an interesting topic that so far has not yielded any really definitve answer. If and when I get to the bottom of this, perhaps future prospective 997 owners may benefit from it.
Please keep the responses coming and I will also feedback when I have some further info. This is an interesting topic that so far has not yielded any really definitve answer. If and when I get to the bottom of this, perhaps future prospective 997 owners may benefit from it.
AndySmith
New member
I have spoken to Porsche Cars, who have given me the options that the car came with, from the factory, and it did not have a sports exhaust! Porsche Sports Exhausts are denoted by one small end tip and one bigger and they are switchable. The switch, for the system, has an exhaust graphic on it if there is no Sport Chrono or the word "Sport" on it if Sport Chrono is fitted.
The dealer says that he cannot lower the price for the car, even though it is not as advertised. As I want a car with a Sports Exhaust I now have to decide whether to spend even more money than originally planned or to wait for another car! Decisions, decisions...
Thanks to everyone who responded to this thread.
The dealer says that he cannot lower the price for the car, even though it is not as advertised. As I want a car with a Sports Exhaust I now have to decide whether to spend even more money than originally planned or to wait for another car! Decisions, decisions...
Thanks to everyone who responded to this thread.
I have PSE (as standard on GTS), equally sized round exhaust pipes, sports chrono and a separate switch for exhaust loudness
Yes the GTS is different as I had one as a loan car a few months back.
Clewsey
New member
If the dealer is saying it has a Sports Exhaust and it doesn't, then either they don't know much about the cars they are selling and what else could not be telling you? I know it could be an honest mistake but I'm sure if you really want a PSE, then I'd wait for the right one to come along. I for one bought my GEN2 997 with the standard exhaust as it wasn't available from launch but when I did have it fitted I appreciated the noise it made with a few 000 miles on the clock. You can also disconnect the cable which controls drive-by noise levels. Much better
Good luck finding the right car.
AndySmith
New member
Bit of an update ...
Armed with all this new information, I researched the cost of having a PSE retro fitted. There is a thread on Pistonheads where various people have done this with OPC's and their prices ranged from £1200 upwards. So, I rang an OPC (bit unfair to name and shame here) today and was given the following, to supply and fit to a manual geared 997 C2S:
To a car without Sport Chrono - including wiring and dash switch - £2,956.70 - OMG!!
To a car that has Sport Chrono and therefore an existing switch and wiring - £2,500
After I told them prices charged by OPC Bolton, Colchester, and Silverstone, they agreed to go away and take another look at the charges.
Why is there such disparity between OPC's? I understand that they are all different companies but surely their charges should be the same or very very similar.
Has anyone had a PSE retro fitted? If so, perhaps they could share their experience wrt pricing and where they had the work done.
Armed with all this new information, I researched the cost of having a PSE retro fitted. There is a thread on Pistonheads where various people have done this with OPC's and their prices ranged from £1200 upwards. So, I rang an OPC (bit unfair to name and shame here) today and was given the following, to supply and fit to a manual geared 997 C2S:
To a car without Sport Chrono - including wiring and dash switch - £2,956.70 - OMG!!
To a car that has Sport Chrono and therefore an existing switch and wiring - £2,500
After I told them prices charged by OPC Bolton, Colchester, and Silverstone, they agreed to go away and take another look at the charges.
Why is there such disparity between OPC's? I understand that they are all different companies but surely their charges should be the same or very very similar.
Has anyone had a PSE retro fitted? If so, perhaps they could share their experience wrt pricing and where they had the work done.
I have a 997 C2 2 with standard PSE and 'foreskin' tips, but they don't retract!!! Perhaps mine has been circumcised![
]For what it's worth, I have lived with the PSE for some time now and am still unimpressed with the sound. I searched painstakingly for a car with the PSE and don't think it sounds as good as my old Cayman used to with a standard exhaust on full chat. Appreciate sound proofing, engine location etc and that the 911 probably sounds better to a pedesrtian.
I have tried disconnecting the lead and don't think it makes that much difference, but maybe it does at certain revs (drive by noise regs etc). Apparently, disconnecting the lead, you have to regularly reconnect to stop the valve sticking in the future though?
If I was looking at buying another 911 now, I probably would not bother looking for one with the sports exhaust and look at one of the many aftermarket systems out there and retro fit. I am sure one of these would fullfill my expectations. Warranty considerations with this not withstanding.
Initially, I think my expectations were over the top. I was anticipating some howling behemoth to shame an Aston or Ferrari and it is just not the case with the manufacturers PSE. Sounds nice, especially on tick over when you 'hit the button' but not brilliant IMHO.
Just my thoughts but enjoy whatever you decide though.
Hi Andy,
My "sports exhaust" is original equipment fitted to the car from new, and has two different size tail-pipes on each bank... I have 2 buttons in the cockpit. One says "Sport" the other button shows a graphic of a "shock absorber". Press the "sport" button and it engages the sports suspension to firm ( denture removal mode [] ) and the throttle response is tighter and the sports exhaust is activated.
At this point I normaly press the button showing the shock absorber. This de-selects the sports suspension mode. Then I just enjoy the tighter throttle response and the enhanced exhaust note, as this still leaves the exhaust engaged in noise mode. The exhaust is failrly noisy up to about 3k rpm, then for drive by regs it goes quite. Keep going up to a about 5k rpm then after that all hell breaks loose as the sports exhaust kicks back in again[] .. wicked noise especially in tunnels [8D] .....
I have driven my car without the sports exhaust fitted, ie with a standard exhaust that was fitted for a couple of days ( I wont go in to detail why just now, long story ) but noticed that when the the sports exhaust was refitted, and with it left selected in "normal" mode, the sports exhaust definitely sound much more deep and bassy than the standard system..
Hope you find this helpful ........
cheers
Mike
My "sports exhaust" is original equipment fitted to the car from new, and has two different size tail-pipes on each bank... I have 2 buttons in the cockpit. One says "Sport" the other button shows a graphic of a "shock absorber". Press the "sport" button and it engages the sports suspension to firm ( denture removal mode [
] ) and the throttle response is tighter and the sports exhaust is activated. At this point I normaly press the button showing the shock absorber. This de-selects the sports suspension mode. Then I just enjoy the tighter throttle response and the enhanced exhaust note, as this still leaves the exhaust engaged in noise mode. The exhaust is failrly noisy up to about 3k rpm, then for drive by regs it goes quite. Keep going up to a about 5k rpm then after that all hell breaks loose as the sports exhaust kicks back in again[
] .. wicked noise especially in tunnels [8D] ..... I have driven my car without the sports exhaust fitted, ie with a standard exhaust that was fitted for a couple of days ( I wont go in to detail why just now, long story ) but noticed that when the the sports exhaust was refitted, and with it left selected in "normal" mode, the sports exhaust definitely sound much more deep and bassy than the standard system..
Hope you find this helpful ........
cheers
Mike
Clewsey
New member
HI Andy,
I had my PSE for my GenII retrofitted by Reading. From memory it cost me £1900 but then I had some discount applied. The job did take longer than expected as it's quite a tough job for the switch fitment/wiring. It took their senior technician well over 8 hours (more closer to 16hrs to fit). Quality of the work was excellent, neat and tidy.
I'd had my car 2 years before doing it. The plug was disconnected from day 1. It needed a few miles on it to really hear the difference but personally it made the car more enjoyable to drive than with the standard exhaust. In a tunnel, it sounded fantastic, without a doubt a good addition for me. I have one as standard on the GTS and this is sounding nice but then it's got a large aluminium induction unit giving it a slightly gruffer sound than before.
@Alex - agree the GTS Pan sounds great. Heard one as it passed me at the OPC, very impressive sound.
I had my PSE for my GenII retrofitted by Reading. From memory it cost me £1900 but then I had some discount applied. The job did take longer than expected as it's quite a tough job for the switch fitment/wiring. It took their senior technician well over 8 hours (more closer to 16hrs to fit). Quality of the work was excellent, neat and tidy.
I'd had my car 2 years before doing it. The plug was disconnected from day 1. It needed a few miles on it to really hear the difference but personally it made the car more enjoyable to drive than with the standard exhaust. In a tunnel, it sounded fantastic, without a doubt a good addition for me. I have one as standard on the GTS and this is sounding nice but then it's got a large aluminium induction unit giving it a slightly gruffer sound than before.
@Alex - agree the GTS Pan sounds great. Heard one as it passed me at the OPC, very impressive sound.
AndySmith
New member
Hi Mike
I saw your car at Knowl Hill a couple of weeks ago when you bumped into a few of us having dinner and drinks and your car is a cracker. The exhaust sounds good - this is what I am looking for but it is a shame that it gets muted for drive by reasons.
Hope to catch up with you in the future, again. I enjoyed an evening of nothing but Porsche talk!
Andy
I saw your car at Knowl Hill a couple of weeks ago when you bumped into a few of us having dinner and drinks and your car is a cracker. The exhaust sounds good - this is what I am looking for but it is a shame that it gets muted for drive by reasons.
Hope to catch up with you in the future, again. I enjoyed an evening of nothing but Porsche talk!
Andy
AndySmith
New member
Hi bajers
I can appreciate what you say that being in the car will sound more muted than being a pedestrian. Liken it to in-car footage of an F1 car and the exhaust note sounds totally different than the drive by experience. I spoke with someone yesterday who also said that if you do a long journey the sound can be intrusive, in an annoying way. I said stick some ear plugs in so you can enjoy it when you want the sound!
I can appreciate what you say that being in the car will sound more muted than being a pedestrian. Liken it to in-car footage of an F1 car and the exhaust note sounds totally different than the drive by experience. I spoke with someone yesterday who also said that if you do a long journey the sound can be intrusive, in an annoying way. I said stick some ear plugs in so you can enjoy it when you want the sound!
garyw
Moderator
I have been contacted by a member who has just moved onto a 991, and he so happens to have a sports exhaust system for a 997 available to purchase, he's kindly offered this to register members prior to other places..
Details are ;
Sports Exhaust for 997 Gen 2. Been on the car since April 2010, for about 20k miles. £500 ono
Please contact me in the first instance and I'll pass on your details to the member.
garyw
Details are ;
Sports Exhaust for 997 Gen 2. Been on the car since April 2010, for about 20k miles. £500 ono
Please contact me in the first instance and I'll pass on your details to the member.
garyw
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