The £45k LHD 64RS

[jason]

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/161391.htm

and two have recently sold on pistonheads for £40k and £38k!!!

Thank christ mine just had panel damage...can't wait to get her back...its the empty space in the garage that hurts most[&o]

 

[RSGulp]

The wheels on the £45k car look a lot bigger and deeper than the original 17" mags on an RS.

Not sure they're 18" cups either... They have a much deeper dish and a good inch of additional rim showing beyond the end of each spoke before the rim begins.

Any ideas?

 

[lee fulford]

I'm keen on RS values climbing cos it gives me justification with the war dept but I think this has got to be too strong.............hasn't it? Especially since it has music[]

Wheels are deffo 18's......Unusual, never seen them before.

 

[RSGulp]

They're the same proportions as 18" Speedlines but 1-piece rather than 3-piece. Did they do these?

 

[kasbridge]

All,
After much prevarication and changes of mind I am now back on the LHD RS track and will be looking at this car tomorrow. 9M were kind enough to let me have a trundle in a LHD RS recently and I relised that I was worrying over nothing, hence the change of mind.

This sounds like a nice car but price is strong given that it has aftermkt wheels and a small amount of rust at the base of the n/s A pillar, may be due to a poorly refitted windscreen? Also has a scuff on the bumper.

What's the view of the group on price? btw the Yellow car sold for £36,500 (I know since I tried to buy it and missed out by 12 hours) and the Black car went for £37,000 I think.

Thanks to all (and I really am going to buy one this time!!!!),
Cheers,
Kevin.

 

[kasbridge]

Lee,
You're right - I almost forgot it also has an aftermkt stereo and TWO speakers in each door panel, I would have to replace these and rip out the stereo, any ideas on cost anyone for new door cards?
Cheers,
Kevin.

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: kasbridge

Lee,
You're right - I almost forgot it also has an aftermkt stereo and TWO speakers in each door panel.....
Cheers,
Kevin.

I think this is reasonably common tbh

 

[lee fulford]

Reasonably common maybe but as these cars start to become collectors then the standard Virgin car as left the factory in it's original purposefull state will be the kiddy.

Can you tell I have no music.[]

Must make my 19000 miler 50k []

 

[lee fulford]

Sorry........Southbound will do the cards

01264 810080

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: lee fulford

Reasonably common maybe but as these cars start to become collectors then the standard Virgin car as left the factory in it's original purposefull state will be the kiddy.

Can you tell I have no music.[]

Must make my 19000 miler 50k []

High mileage and music on these cars is completely irrelevant.

Can you tell I have both[]

 

[Jamie Summers]

http://www.weinkath-carwheels.de/
These guys do the 18 inch Cup 1 replicas (though the website seems to be out of action), also PWS advertise 18s. http://www.performancewheelsupplies.ltd.uk I'm surprised that more people haven't tried them, personally I think they look better than the splitties (sacrilege I know !)

Jamie

 

[ChrisW]

It depends upon how quickly values are increasing.

Having jumped out of a LHD 993 with 3.8RS engine into a RHD 964RS, --- and owning also a RHD GT3MkII, --- and given that there are only 63 RHD lightweights in the World, I should say that RHD is at a reasonable premium. £10k was suggested.

I should also say that in my view, the most original cars will be at a double premium as values rise.

Andrew at Gmund sold me the wild Reddish thing with a new clutch, full major service, new brake fluid, and a few other things to tidy it up, for £48k --- though it did originate in HK via Jersey (and three owners uo to me) with 22,000 miles --- and NO RUST. Oringinal Mag wheels with new PSCup tyres, period Symphony radio, speakers in the back seat area (so untouched doorskins), good alarm and aftermarket roll bar --- which is bolted in a could be removed because the carpet has not been cut. All working fantastically well.

The Mag alloys are worth £4k extra with decent tyres. The mileage is reasonable but the door skins could be a future option as could the rust correction. A service may be required and it is one of around 1800 LHD cars in a lovely colour. But £45k ? Well, is mine now worth £55k + ?

It's all a speculation ...

 

[chfs911]

Price is irrelevant if it is a keeper. Look at houses. You buy the best one you can afford and the prices keep rising. Same with RSs. Snap it up before someone else does. I am sure they will take less as no Mags on there.
charles

 

[lee fulford]

Not so sure that I would agree with there being a 10k RHD premium now(but then I would say that). especially as prces rise. LHD or RHD...makes no difference sooner or later...we have europe on our doorstep.

Are L vs RHD valued any differently for the original RS of 73?

 

[Damen]

I do not think £45k is too much for a good lhd light weight but it is for the car mentioned above. The door cards are not an issue but the lack of mags. and the rust around the screen is, thus its probably worth very late £30ks. As for rhd, I think north of £50k is now realistic. ChrisW, I think you have got a bargain.

As for 2.7 RSs, a good lhd car Touring or Light Weight (there are so few originals Light Weights, most as now faked) are £125k and rhd are £150k. If you need any proof look at the lhd car at Export56 and the rhd car at DK Engineering.

The recent hike in the prices of our favourite car is interesting but I sincerely hope that it does not change their use. It would be a great shame if they disappeared from the track.

Damen

 

[Ian964]

I'm tempted by this one, but it does seem a bit too pricey for what it is. According to the owner, the wheels were on the car when it was bought in Germany 9 years ago. They look a bit like the RH-Alurad Cup copies.

 

[Keith Calder]

seem to remember gemballa sold those 18 inch wheels years ago, would need to go up the loft and dig out old 911 world mags......dont think id worry too much about the having original wheels as i know a couple of owners who have removed them and using other wheels instead to save damaging them so why pay extra in the first place.?

 

[kasbridge]

Keith,
Tend to agree re: the mags only relevant when re-selling the car I would think. Whichever car I buy I will be fitting a set of good strong 8/9.5" OE cup1s which are impatiently sitting in my garage waiting for the RS to turn up!

The price on the Maritime car is interesting, if it had mags and no rust bubble I am not sure what i would be prepared to pay, I am looking at cars in Europe right now since there are so few UK cars to go at and they are all north of £40k - having said that they are also very nice examples.

Problem we have in the UK is that there are too few cars on offer to make a market at the moment.
Cheers,
Kevin.

 

[ChrisW]

Certainly the Cup1 replicas look great -- apart from the missing Magnesium annotation and branding.

£1350 a set with tyres ?

And I'm told that the Mags can become porous and crack ....

 

[SimonExtreme]

ORIGINAL: ChrisW
And I'm told that the Mags can become porous and crack ....

Unfortunately, yes and yes!

I now save mine only for racing! For normal road use, I have a set of MM Cup 1 copies but they are HEAVY!! Some people wonder about me using the mags for racing but I reason that there are far less pot holes on a race track and the kurbs don't (usually) bite. And the weight saving is not only significant but also in the right place - unsprung is worth 10X sprung.

As for values, it seems to me that everybody is asking top money, irrespective of condition. I wouldn't buy a car in less than A1 condition for top money unless there was a special reason. For instance, my car had chips and some evidence of paintwork if you looked very closely and some of the carpet wasn't original. However, all the suspension, brakes, lsd had been refurbed to new condition, the engine was one of the best I have still seen and it drove like a new car.

Since then (2.5 years ago), I have brought the car up to near perfect condition. To me, that was worth it. However, if there had been rust and key parts weren't original, I wouldn't have touched it. Those sorts of car are only worth market price of a good one less the cost of replacing the parts and repair. This is always more than an owner thinks their car is worth. For instance, non original wheels is instantly a £4000 discount!

It has been said so often but when buying a 964RS, patience is your friend!