Touring vs Lightweight values

[George Elliott]

Bryn
congrats on the new motor,
I have driven a 964rsl, 964rst, and 964C2. The first two are RS's, the last one is really an American Car.
It is so totally different.
I dont think I could tell the difference between the rsl, rst. The rst has the diff, seam welding, lighter flywheel/glass/bonnet/wheelrims, longer gear leaver, 90% of the nice clangy door closing.
Its a great Car, - beware of the yumps!
good luck with it.
George
964rs
944t

 

[carreraboy]

Bryn, would it be a Red Lightweight coming soon!

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Bryn, would it be a Red Lightweight coming soon!

Hmmm [>:]

 

[bryn_p]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Bryn, would it be a Red Lightweight coming soon!

Indeed it would Des, you should be a PI [][]

Do you want the details for your register?

Are you going to Oulton in March? Looking forward to meeting some other enthusiasts and putting faces to names []

Cheers,
Bryn.

 

[carreraboy]

Find it very sad indeed that a car trader (www.performancelegends.co.uk) has to pretend to be something other to gain (free) advice and information from real enthusiasts to further his business, as also found out on the 993RS Forum.......[8|]

There you are got a plug....

 

[bryn_p]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Find it very sad indeed that a car trader has to pretend to be something other to gain (free) advice and information from real enthusiasts to further his business, as also found out on the 993RS Forum.......[8|]

Find it very sad that you do not believe it possible to be both an enthusiast and a car dealer. At what point did I deny that I am a part time dealer - in fact I believe my post to you above freely admits that! I have wanted an RS since the day I first saw one and I can assure that when I can afford it I will have one in my garage for good.
Anyone who has met me will vouch for the fact that I am a real enthusiast first and car dealer second (it is not even my full time occupation). You can clearly see from my stock list that I am not like the big specialists of this country making a fortune dealing in millions of pounds worth of Porsches.

I was not 'found out' on the 993 RS forum, my first post started by declaring that I run a very small business specialising in interesting cars. When some people bizarrely took exception to my thread, I deleted it all as I felt appropriate. To be honest I was hoping that these forums would be full of genuine enthusiasts not people who take exception to others trying to start a small business dealing in their dream cars. Sadly that appears to be the case.

Do you have it in for anyone dealing in these cars? What is wrong with trying to build a business doing something that I enjoy? And what information have I gained on the car that I bought from this thread?

I can only assume that every other dealer was born with an encylopedic knowledge of RS's and therefore does not value any else's opinion but their own. Is that how you think it should be? I certainly don't and I value greatly the opinions of other enthusiasts.

Regards,
Bryn.

 

[carreraboy]

seem to see a coming soon RED 964RS for sale...[] Hope you have found the help of assistance....

 

[bryn_p]

Well I'm very sorry that you feel that way Des, but as an enthusiast I will be attending Oulton in March and am very much looking forward to using my RS as it was intended. I look forward to meeting you if you're there and hopefully whatever ill-feeling you harbour towards myself and my business can be laid to rest when you have met me in person.

To everyone else, if you think asking for opinions on cars when a trader is not appropriate then I apologise. I do think its a downfall of many dealers that they believe they are the absolute authority on any given car, and that opinions of others are of no importance. Although my own knowledge is of course important, it is my belief that the opinions of others can be just as important.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to the thread.

Regards,
Bryn.

 

[clubsport]

Bryn, don't get vertigo up there on your high horse....you tell us what an enthusiast you are for the model, yet you already have your RS up for sale at top money before you have even physically seen or driven the car.....giving us the impression you are clearly enthusiatic about making money...good luck to you, but to come on here pleading you just happen to be a car trader as well as an enthusiast for this fine model just insults our intelligence,,,I hope you enjoy the car when it arrives, if you find a buyer all well and good.

 

[bryn_p]

I give up [8|]

Did you read my post above stating that as soon as I can afford to have one for myself, I will do so. We are not all as lucky as some members of this forum who could just buy an RS when they wanted one. The car is not for sale at present and is not advertised anywhere as being so. If I was only interested in money and not an enthusiast, why would I be bothering to attend the RS day and why would I not have the car up for sale as soon as I get it? In fact, why wouldn't I just deal in the most profitable Japanese cars and forget about this difficult and risky market?

Incidentally, why is it that some traders are free to advertise in the members' cars forum despite this clearly being prohibited by the rules. I don't see anyone buring them at the stake. Or is it a case of different rules for different members depending on who you know? [>:] No offence to the traders in question, it is not something that I think people should have a problem with anyway providing a suitable contribution is made to the club/forum.

Regards,
Bryn.

 

[Gary C]

Just read all the posts and it does seem a little misleading. The posts are slanted towards buying a car for life, only for the car to be up for profitable sale. Plenty of posts welcoming a new owner, who is'nt a new owner.

Just the way it appears and maybe not meant that way but I can understand a little of carreraboys annoyance.

Anyway, wish I had a 964RS, this forum is a lot more interesting than the 3.2 forum (almost like scoobynet [])

 

[Melv]

"(almost like scoobynet [])"

Gary -perlease NO!!!

And Bryn -pls tread carefully........

From the 993RS forum:-

I apologise for my inappropriate use of the forum and have removed my posts accordingly.

I value the opinions of other enthusiasts (my customers) and usually enjoy conversing with them.

Thanks to all those who contributed their opinions to the original topic.

Regards,
Bryn.

 

[bryn_p]

ORIGINAL: Gary C

Just read all the posts and it does seem a little misleading. The posts are slanted towards buying a car for life, only for the car to be up for profitable sale. Plenty of posts welcoming a new owner, who is'nt a new owner.

Gary I appreciate what you're saying but the car is not for sale and I am a new owner! I have looked for one for the last 2 years and am genuinely excited to finally have one. Yes the car will ultimately be for sale to fund developing my business further, but until that time I intend to fully enjoy my time with the car. And I will buy one to keep when it is financially viable.

ORIGINAL: Melv

And Bryn -pls tread carefully........

I have taken note Melv, but as you can see I had nothing to hide in the 993 forum and nothing to hide here either. I have also apologised here to anyone who takes exception to a dealer also being an enthusiast.
Am I to understand that because of my chosen occupation that I am no longer allowed to seek opinion on these forums despite being a fully paid up club member like others? At no point have I advertised or even mentioned the name of my business and I do not believe there is a single sentence in this thread that contributed to my decision to buy this particular RS or influenced what I paid for it. Please can you remove the name of my company in the post above as I do not wish to have a 'plug' on this forum.
Also perhaps in your capacity as an administrator you could clarify the rules for traders advertising in the members cars forum and use of the forums in general?

Kind Regards,
Bryn.

 

[ChrisW]

Bryn, I would imagine that the majority of '64RS owners would be very happy if their car were to increase in value.

If this came to pass, and they sold it at a profit, would this make them a dealer, or would it be a happy coincidence ?

As a fellow enthusiast I can only welcome your interest, but you will find this forum sensitive to this particular issue for a variety of reasons.

You will also find that this Forum has real soul, as does the '64RS.

I look forward very much to your contribution.

 

[RSGulp]

Bryn,
I have read all the posts and as an impartial onlooker. I can see that certain people who have offered information and advice thinking you were a private enthusiast buyer looking for that dream RS, may have had their noses put out of joint in thinking your RS may now be up for sale at a profit in your other role as car dealer.

I think the posts relating to your new RS now being up for sale are referencing the link to www.performancelegends.co.uk in Carreraboy's post.

Every club member, and lots of non-members, are welcome to contribute on the 964RS forum (it's a busy, knowledgeable and very interesting place to hang out). You asked for forum member's opinions, and information was freely given by people who believed they were offering information to a fellow Porsche RS enthusiast just as they have done loads of times before.

You've already said you didn't use the information offered on the forum in your purchasing decision - but I'm sure you can accept that some people here might feel you are in the process of taking advantage of their input (whether you used the information or not). Your relationship with this forum could have been beneficial to both your business and forum members - you never know, it might still.

You have said 2 posts above this that the car is "not for sale".

Is the car you've recently purchased the red one that now appears to be advertised for sale (or coming soon, which implies it is actually for sale but just not yet in stock) on the Performance Legends website? If it is the same car, it is easy to see why some people may now be upset.

If Performance Legends is your business perhaps a little transparency on the forum at the start would have set the ground rules for this thread. Contributers could have then made their own decision to take part or not. There are several dealers who regularly contribute here, either asking for information, or sharing their knowledge - it's just regular contributers know that they are dealers who also happen to be enthusiasts.


Welcome to the 964RS forum! Funny things these RS's - they kind of get under your skin, and stir much deeper emotions than your average performance car. []

Rich

 

[Gary C]

ORIGINAL: Melv

"(almost like scoobynet [])"

Gary -perlease NO!!!

Only in that their is something new and interesting to read most days. Scoobynet has a vast membership with a significant number of industry figures (Mike Wood of Prodrive for one) posting and that makes for a lively and interesting read (if you ignore the less inteligent and moronic posts from owners that the Impreza unfortunatley attracts).

The forums should be embraced by more owners as it is a great way to share information and get to know other owners.

 

[Melv]

(if you ignore the less inteligent and moronic posts from owners that the Impreza unfortunatley attracts).

It's that bit I was referring to Gary -pal used to have one and sent me some of the links to the more amusing posts!!! Ohmygod!![&:]

And Richard -many, many thanks for your contribution.

Transparency -that's what we want. K Bryn?

"The task of the Moderator is simple: to ensure that the various posts made in your particular forum (section) are compatible with the rules and the spirit of the Forum. YOU (....and Forum contributors....) are the sole judge of what is and what is not acceptable in the forum you are moderating (club members who think their posts have been unfairly or unnecessarily moderated have a complain mechanism so there is someone moderating the moderators!!)."

As you guys know, I'm not heavy handed in Moderation, if at all, and can only be guided by the feelings of the contributors, which in this case, Bryn, I can only go by.

So now we know the score, can we carry on?

 

[chfs911]

"As you guys know, I'm not heavy handed in Moderation"

What about Dave bl00dy Wilson? He disappeared without a trace! ;O)

 

[George Elliott]

Just to put my 2 penneth, as a member I enjoy this forum. The banter is great, and there is a spirit of helpfulness among the contributors.
Then there is a real affection for the RS model 964 which I share.
And it should be said, the moderators do a very good job.
I don't know any of you, so have no axe to grind, but I would suggest that any trader or tuner who contributes should be directed by PCGB to make sure they understand the importance of transparency. Its many years since it became law to mark a car advert (trade) and I guess Bryn would have had less hassle if it was the same here.
I have seen this crop up elsewhere on PCGB (worse than this!), which is why I mention it, but I agree we should "carry on" as I dont want to prolong the unfortunate subject.

George
944t
964rs

 

[RSGulp]

Transparency - it's the way forward.**


**Disclaimer; Written at 22.38pm after a day of racing at Cheltenham and drinking too mush champagne and guinnnessxs!