Track day or garage

[TISPKJ]

Allan ........... only sensible answer on here.

We no that the RS was built to track, but as Lee says it's not the point, the car has gone from value 25k to 35k in 2 years, is arguably the best RS in the country ( I havent seen a better one) and is irreplaceable, most that you see have seen a bit of action and no disrespect to there owners could generally be replaced with something similar, when the car is as it came out the showroom, it gets you thinking, value can only go up wheras even a light tap on track (or road) will devalue the car, and you never feel the same about the car again, having just bought a used 996 to replace 6 on the trot new cars I just dont feel the same about the used one, with the new ones or the mint used ones you can account for every little scratch and stonechip like you could your children .......... My Luke's got terrible gravel rash where I spun him into the gravel at Paddock !!!!

Regards
PKJ

 

[Guest]

Well I think there's also something to be said for tracking the pristine ones. I've never been into garage queens, and when mine comes back from a concourse spec rebuild I will take it straight out on hedgrow avoidance duties. Yes, I will take care, but there is something tragically sad about sports cars that never get driven because they are worth more when couped up in a climate controlled dehumidified bubble.

Even accident damage/paintwork is history and patina. If it is unaccountable it is truly damaging. Sure, a pristine low miles totally orginal car is worth more, but that is like hanging your Picasso in a bank vault. Get it out once in a while and enjoy it.

As for Allan's being the 'only' sensible post, I think that is unfair to everyone else who has contributed to this lively debate. If Melvin wants to flaunt his merkins, then please let him without denigrating the value of his posts []

 

[RSR]

OK. I can't resist anymore. I don't think I know your car Lee. What is it that makes it so special and irreplaceable? What is the colour, mileage, etc? I love to know all about these cars.

I too have seen many many of these cars and think it probably is replaceable. I know thats probably still not the point, because you are attached to your particular car. However there are cars out there ranging from delivery miles to 150,000 miles. Someone suggested it's value is £35K. So what is this based on. It must mean that anyone with £35K can go and buy one just like it.

Just sold a 1 owner car with 2000 miles.

 

[clarkey]

I have a fairly close to immaculate 42,000 mile RHD RS, and I intend to use it on the track just as the previous owners did. I accept that stone chips will need attention every year or so, and the wheels may need a touch up, but this is easy to do. Even a minor knock can be repaired without a trace. True, I will always drive well within my limits, so the most likely reason for a visit to a gravel trap will be a mechanical failure, and if it happens I'll deal with it.

So I vote for enjoying the car on the track, leaving it in a warm, dehumidified garage in the winter, and cleaning and polishing whenever you have the urge. Nothing I intend to do will affect the value of my car, which is in the £37k to £40k area.

There are cars out there that are nothing less than museum pieces with delivery miles . Yours doesn't sound like that and is therefore entirely repairable or replaceable, so I would use it sensibly.

 

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: RSR

OK. I can't resist anymore. I don't think I know your car Lee. What is it that makes it so special and irreplaceable? What is the colour, mileage, etc? I love to know all about these cars.

I too have seen many many of these cars and think it probably is replaceable. I know thats probably still not the point, because you are attached to your particular car. However there are cars out there ranging from delivery miles to 150,000 miles. Someone suggested it's value is £35K. So what is this based on. It must mean that anyone with £35K can go and buy one just like it.

Just sold a 1 owner car with 2000 miles.

Lee's car is GP White the new in-colour and real RS purist number 1 choice bar none (no I'm not biased)....yes it's a nice motor and has apprecaited with the rest of them...Lee is no Garage Queen and I'm sure we will see him out there with the Big Boys soon....giving those GT3 Guys another lesson...

The 35K is based purely on the market today....if he had to replace it that is at least the amount he would need to spend....LHD 50K Miles in PP today £32K.. the days of the low kilometre Maritime Blue car for 27K are long over...evrything has moved up 10%+ since last year and will most likely do the same this year, maybe as much as 15%+[8D]

What was the 2000 mile one owner car?

 

[TISPKJ]

Gentlemen Im not trying to upset anyone.

Domster, my comments were a bit tounge in cheek as the original thread seems to get lost in most of these posts and was not intended to disscourage members participating or rubbish there comments.

Clarkey, do you think that you could go and buy a 42,000 mile RHD car tommorow off the shelf ? .......... No, you would spend months trying to find one as yours, now try finding a MINT 15,000 miler, even in LHD, that was my point.

RSR, dont know why Im sticking up for him cos his a bas-ard to his mates, but the car is mint, that means as new or better in my book, sadly we all advertise our cars as mint condition very few are eat your dinner off the underside of the wheel arches, from memory 15k miles, paintwork and interior untouched by human hands, 4k carlos fandango exhaust, chiped and all that malarky, even if it is LHD a stuning car and ok not impossible but bloody hard and time consuming to try and replace should it go t-ts up on a track day.

Just a shame he cant afford a new one !!! (996 that is)

Regards
Paul

 

[RSR]

The Silver 2000 mile car was being brokered for a collector in Germany. The guy bought it and left it with his Porsche dealer for 8 years before registering it and doing only 2000 miles. It sold to another collector.

Interesting opinion on White. I still think Maritime is the most sought after, but the White is becoming more in vogue. I think a White car with Carrera RS side stripe and coloured wheel centres looks good.

 

[lee fulford]

Well I dont know what to say except that I'm a bit embarrassed that I started this hot debate and now I'm gonna have everyone crawling over my car thinking it should be cleaner than it is after everyone's hyped it up.

Fact is I'm not precious about it, it does't sit in dehumidified garage, it does turn up a club nights even if its raining. (except if there's any salt on the road) I have been out on track days and NO the wife,s not allowed to drive it.

The cars clean enough and accident free but its not concours. (not into concours)
Irreplaceable in my veiw because they're becoming scarce, white is my personal favourite, £5000 worth of fandango Cargraphic exhaust, big reds, no radio, never been got at. Took me a while to find it 5 years ago and would take me longer today. Oh and 17000 miles.

My original thread was merely stating my dilema and I can understand the guys that say track it but I'm not sure that patina is acceptable on a car that has had no racing history.

This car is not the perfect specimen but perfect for me. (pictured in the Gallery)

Lee

 

[Guest]

Paul, don't worry, my post was also largely tongue in cheek. I didn't get upset ;-) It's just I personally like the way threads develop and even the daft posts have a certain charm. You were right to bring it back on course, tho'.

It is an interesting dilemma. Certainly the problem is finding another that's as good. But my shed of a 964RS should be looking factory fresh soon, it's just had a lot of time and money thrown at it. You could repair any RS to as new condition after some sensible track use. If you wanted to do more than a few trackdays a year, I would say get a Caterham as a dedicated track tool and beat the living hell out of it.

As for white, I think this has to be wishful thinking by the RS mafiosi that are Desmundo and MerkinMelv. White is a pretty rubbish colour on ANY car, unless it matches the colour of your towelling socks (like Don Johnson's Testarossa) [] By most objective and subjective measures, Maritime blue rules for 964RSs.

Dom (Guard's Red and proud of it, LOL)

 

[Guest]

Eeek, Lee's got a white one, too.

I'm out numbered!

[]

 

[oldtimer]

...RS ( Rolling Stone)...he say 'Paint it Black' ....then no-one can see you on track.....white is for whimps......domster talk good sense

 

[mark piper]

Lee, I sympathise with you, I really do. I sold my mint RS back in 2000 having done no more than a couple of track days and constantly worried about damaging the thing. I bought a Caterham (now on my 3rd one) and have never looked back - never needed to, never had anything get remotely near me on a track day ;-).

Incidentally, the guy who bought my car - Nigel Parry - had the same concerns as me and sold it on, replacing it with an Moo3 spec mint green machine (was up for sale at Gmund recently I believe, along with his 934).

I still love RSs but have trouble understanding how they come to be worth so much (but equally I have come across several in the low £20ks over the past year...is the bubble bursting?????).

Sell your car, cash in and look for a cheaper less perfect RS or even an ex cup car and hoon round tracks without worrying about damaging it. Funny though, white RSs used to be death in the market - how times change (I've always liked them in white).

Dom, I wouldn't describe your car as a shed - it's a work of art - after the school of Tracey Ermine []

Oldtimer, you speak very wise words about track days too.

 

[RSR]

I know what you mean about White, you never used to be able to sell them. I know someone who bought a White 964 RS RHD 18 months ago for 32K. Only 1 previous owner and had 17K miles at the time. No accidents.

 

[Guest]

You been kicked off blatchat finally, Piper? []

Good to have you on here for some RS banter... to think I may be on the Turbo forums if it wasn't for you []

ATB
Dom

 

[Melv]

ORIGINAL: domster

I'm out numbered!

[]

Yeh, get back in yer badger's set Dom!!![][]

Mel

 

[Matt]

ORIGINAL: domster

By most objective and subjective measures, Maritime blue rules for 964RSs.

Dom (Guard's Red and proud of it, LOL)

How right you are Dom []

 

[Guest]

ORIGINAL: RSR

I know what you mean about White, you never used to be able to sell them. I know someone who bought a White 964 RS RHD 18 months ago for 32K. Only 1 previous owner and had 17K miles at the time. No accidents.

So that makes Lee's car worth about 20K..DON'T TELL Lee I've been joking about how much his car (and the rest of them) is worth, just tried to make him a bit happier having bought a GP White left hooker with oversize wheels and non-original twin exhaust and no front air intakes etc.... so maybe about 15K realistically. So he can go Tracking now it's not worth as much..the answer has always been there to see....in fact if waits a few weeks for the RS bubble to burst he could be breaking it up for parts....should do well on the speedlines and tyres[]

 

[Guest]

Good points, Des.

I'll help him out with a 13k cash offer if things look bleak. Least I could do.

[]

 

[mark piper]

Hi Dom....just surfing a bit - dull day at work and thinking about 911s again as you will probably have guessed...

Yes, I remember how big a fan you were of the 965 (oh sorry, the 964 Turbo II)...Sense prevailed in the end though!

Make sure your tech sorts that awful throttle travel too !

 

[lee fulford]

Mark its a tricky one and half the problem is that I'm not really all that normal.

Most of the pleasure is in pride of ownership and I guess that outweighs the other. No pride if the cars a shed. Not for me anyway.

You may have missed it earlier in this thread as its getting quite long now but I used to have a Superlight R and without doubt a fantastic track car but at the time I was faster than anything else out there and as such became a bit 'Billy no mates'.

I reckon the answer would be to save up and buy another Porsche to track, probably LHD GT3 and make sure the main criteria is that it's a shed.

Lee

Oh and I shall ignore you other chaps with your childish banter re values[]

Even if it was only worth 2 quid I still couldn't wreck it.