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pauldishman

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As someone who owned a SC for nearly 15 years and has owned a 964 RS since January I was having a ponder regarding turnover in ownership of 964RS
On a totally non-scientific watching of the GT Classics website it seem to me that Paul has a steady trade in the same cars eg the white autographed RS and the black one he's got now were available a few months ago. This is excellent repeat business for him but it would be interesting to know why people move on. Is it the hard ride or the LHD perhaps ? And then what to move on to - a 996 GT3 ? or a Noble ? A cooking version 911 would seem a bit tame after a RS...
It can work the other way too, my car was owned twice by the same person. He moved onto a 993 RS and then swapped back to the 964RS.

Thoughts anyone ?

Paul
 
Many people sell and then realise they have made a big mistake and buy again, sometimes buying back the car they sold in the first place. Not unusual with 964RS.
 
I agree with Laurence. People think that selling their 12+ years old Porsche and buying a newer one is "upgrading" but they find out the hard way its going backwards.

I have found myself in a similar position. I love my car but like everybody, I want more!! I have lusted after a 993 RS on the basis it is newer and therefore better. However, I went in one recently and found that a lot of what I love about the 964 RS has been dialed out. That would have been an expensive mistake!
 

ORIGINAL: SimonExtreme

I have found myself in a similar position. I love my car but like everybody, I want more!! I have lusted after a 993 RS on the basis it is newer and therefore better. However, I went in one recently and found that a lot of what I love about the 964 RS has been dialed out. That would have been an expensive mistake!
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Funny this, the same experience happened to me. I went to H&S to buy a 993 RS, after having sold my red 964 RS. I test drove two mint 993 RSs and ended up buying another 964RS (which has since been sold for a 964 RSR). There are several dimensions extending out from the 964 RS experience: one is comfort (993 RS or GT3), one is rawness (race cars, such as Cup cars, RSRs, GT2s and so forth).

 
PaulDishman. At least one of the cars you mentioned is a sale for an upgrade. He had an RS originally back between 97 to 2001. Sold that and bought back in at the start of this year. I'm now finding him a 964 RS Clubsport.

It's interesting what's being said here. What do you buy instead of the 964 RS? Thats rich coming from someone with a 993 RS, but it is a clubsport and its not exactly standard. When I jump from one of my standard 964 RS and into one the standard 993 RS there is definately something missing and its hard to put into words. Best description about the 993 RS is; "well its not a 964 RS is it"!
 
I'm full agreement with whats been said already - there are quite a number of long term RS owners who just can't let go. Had mine for 6 years now, put it up for sale 3 times but can't face doing the deed. Would'nt want to commute in it, don't use it as much as I'd like but can't think what to replace it with and it's not loosing money.

Tony
 
ORIGINAL: RSR

PaulDishman. At least one of the cars you mentioned is a sale for an upgrade. He had an RS originally back between 97 to 2001. Sold that and bought back in at the start of this year. I'm now finding him a 964 RS Clubsport.

It's interesting what's being said here. What do you buy instead of the 964 RS? Thats rich coming from someone with a 993 RS, but it is a clubsport and its not exactly standard. When I jump from one of my standard 964 RS and into one the standard 993 RS there is definately something missing and its hard to put into words. Best description about the 993 RS is; "well its not a 964 RS is it"!
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They are very addictive. [:D]
Do you get anyone selling you a car back admitting that its not for them ?
 
I like the 993RS , i just could'nt justify shelling out another £10k on one . Out of the box it's a quicker car(for drivers with average abilities) and more confidence inspiring than the 964RS but that's about it. I came close to selling mine during my divorce but fortunately i let the house go instead[:D]
 
So a question raised by a friend earlier today (He's a bit shy...You know who you are)

Should he buy a 964RS or a 993RS?

He's an enthusiastic driver and very pricise and the car would be used for pleasure only.

Or perhaps I should ask the question on the 993RS forum.
 
I have been trying to find the words to describe the differences between a 964RS and a 993RS and it isn't easy. The 993RS just takes the edge off the "pure" experience. Its the difference between regular and decaf coffee, pasteurised or unpasteurised cheese (of the same type), full cream and semi skimmed. You know its the same but there is a difference.

I think that the standard 964RS has the perfect balance between the feel of a race car and the useability of a road car. The 993 RS is a little bit further away from that race car. It may be a better everyday car but, IMO, it loses something. If it were a photograph it would be slightly under exposed or very slightly out of focus.

However, the 964RS just gives you the total experience. It satisfies every sence in a way the 993RS just fails to do. I don't know if there is a little more soundproofing but it seems like it. The suspension is no longer race bred and the feedback just seems dulled a bit.

The 993RS is simply a slightly blunter tool. There isn't much in it but when moving from perfection, its noticable.
 
One more thing. The 964 has the tradditional and timeless look of a 911. The 993, well, it looks like a 993, nice but not a 911[:D]

Tony
 
ORIGINAL: Tony

One more thing. The 964 has the tradditional and timeless look of a 911. The 993, well, it looks like a 993, nice but not a 911[:D]

Tony
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That's another can of worms altogether [;)] !

Paul
 
Yeah , you've hit the nail on the head there Tony. People don't think that the 964RS is as quick as a 'more modern' 911..which leads to some fun at trackdays [;)]
 
Come on guys. We all know that if its newer it must be better, faster, easier to drive............................................NOT[:D][:D]
 
I hear what every one is saying and I agree that the 964RS is a great car, however I believe the 993RS scores equally highly but it is a very different package.
It therefore comes down to personal taste and the application the owner puts the car to.
The 964RS would definatly appear to be a more trackfocused car, because it takes more driver skill to drive quickly, were as a 993RS is far more complient and thus can lap at a similar speed with less effort.
But does this actually make one car "factually" better than the other or are we just talking about perceived enjoyment levels of each car.
Personally I feel the two cars have the same "Genetics" like younger and elder brothers were as Gt3 etc are not evan part of the same family.
Either way 993RS is definitely the better car!!!!!!!!!!!![:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
 
It would be nice to be in a position to have both 964 & 993RS. Personally i think the 993 did move the game on a little from the 964 versions in terms of handling on both road and track...there seems to be less fight through the bends with the 993 and the 6 speed box seems much better. Laurence and myself discussed this at padock bend where the 964 needed to be in a gear between 3rd and 4th!
I have to say I do prefer the engine delivery in the 964 over the latter car...the 993 doesn't have quite the same hunger above 5k rpm despite the varioram.
I can see why each car has it's devotees and as said paying the the extra 10-15k for the 993 may not make sense to some.
Currently looking for my next RS, which without a doubt will be a............................993 [:)]
 
John

While you are right that it is all a matter of personal taste, I have to disagree with some of your comments.

The 964RS does take more skill to drive to its limit than the 993RS but the 993RS limits are lower and I would be suprised if even an average driver couldn't achieve at least the same time in a 964RS as they could in the 993RS. On top of that, 95% in a 964 RS is, IMO, more satisfying than 100% in a 993RS. Taking out the "effort" reduces the fun and satisfaction otherwise we would all drive something like an Evo which will lap faster than either with far less skill or effort.

The more I drive the 964RS the more I think that the " it will bite you" handling part of the legend is overstated. Compared with some other Porsches, OK, but compared with other road cars of similar ilk, its right up there with a really good balance between trackday focus and road usability. The 993RS has had its suspension detuned too much and IMO, it feels compromised.

And the 993RS is far more of a compromise car overall than the 964RS. What makes it attractive to many is exactly what puts off the 964RS crowd. Its Robinson's squash that has been diluted just a little too much. Its a Madras when you ordered the full on Vindaloo. However, we all agree that the GT3 is merely a Kurma!![;)][:D]
 
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I would agree with you on one thing, namely the gearbox. The 964RS would be absolutely perfect with a 6 speed. However, if I were to get a 993RS I would have to improve the suspension for starters. I cannot see how the standard suspension woul be any good on the track and if you were pushing on, you would certainly eat tyres.

Then there is all the comfort goodies adding weight, unless you are lucky enough to get one with a pure spec. Aircon, electric windows etc. A designer/engineer who I deeply respect once told me the only good place for weight was in a steam roller[;)]
 
ORIGINAL: SimonExtreme

However, if I were to get a 993RS I would have to improve the suspension for starters. I cannot see how the standard suspension woul be any good on the track and if you were pushing on, you would certainly eat tyres.
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From my own experience, I have owned my 993RS for over 6 years, during which I have done a lot of trackdays.
I have also competed in the sprint at Brands Hatch Festival each year (best result 2nd), however the car is Factory BOG STANDARD, just set up well and no it doesn't eat tyres either.

John
 
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