Wanted - 944 Turbo S (Silver Rose)

[Hilux]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

Make no mistake, Id be happy if my 1988 Turbo was one of the continuation Turbo S cars, but the facts remain that their value isn't as likely to keep up. What fate will befall the continuation SilberRose cars Im less sure of, as few people will appreciate the difference over the shorter term.

I may be wrong and it took me some time to find one but after much research and checking many cars I rejected so many well overpriced Silver Rose cars and I consider my old 944T indeed was - which was why I bought it. No sunroof, split rear seats, 10 speaker option etc

 

[944 man]

ORIGINAL: TTM

ORIGINAL: 944 man
I see that there are mentions of the Turbo SE here, meaning a 250PS 1989 model year 944 Turbo. The 944 Turbo SE was what Porsche Cars GB called the car marketed as the Turbo S everywhere else. UK M758 Turbo S cars were marketed as the 1988 944 Turbo with Special Equipment. The 250PS model which appeared in 1989 and continued to 1990/1991 was the 944 Turbo.

Well, not quite - the '88 turbo S was marketed as the "Turbo Cup" in France. They even added a "Cup" sign right of the turbo sign on the rear, and the same sign again over the glovebox.
Confusing really when people boast about owning a "944 turbo Cup". You expect the racer but soon find out about the usual faded pink-ish Silver Rose on CS wheels that have turned white because of poor attention, and torn cloth seats...

See? You never stop learning. Ive only ever seen genuine French Turbo Cup cars so I wasnt aware of this (although I do hanker after a white Cup decal with the laurel leaves). In truth of course, when I say everywhere else I mean Germany and North America, but I know very, very little about other markets and can only really speak English properly.

 

[J4CKO]

So, 944s are the Furbies of the Porsche world, no two are the same.

 

[T3rra]

I would off said turbo S is a sliver rose,

88 build Sliver rose paint and burgundy/ studio inside.
No sunroof
Full m030
Fully loaded with optunes

Other turbo S
Would be same car with differnt paint and trim.

However there is a guy selling a turbo S that has a sun roof on tipec.
So that's got to be even rare?

As said b4 my turbo is 88 f reg
Full spec/ cs wheels but has a sunroof. Same as the guy aboves car, yet isn't an S?

B4 I use 2 think the first run off 88 turbo 250bhp (180 mph speedo) and full spec where turbo S, as 220 turbo where still produced. then when I got mine I was told it was just 88 turbo.

 

[T3rra]

I would off said turbo S is a sliver rose,

88 build Sliver rose paint and burgundy/ studio inside.
No sunroof
Full m030
Fully loaded with optunes

Other turbo S
Would be same car with differnt paint and trim.

However there is a guy selling a turbo S that has a sun roof on tipec.
So that's got to be even rare?

As said b4 my turbo is 88 f reg
Full spec/ cs wheels but has a sunroof. Same as the guy aboves car, yet isn't an S?

B4 I use 2 think the first run off 88 turbo 250bhp (180 mph speedo) and full spec where turbo S, as 220 turbo where still produced. then when I got mine I was told it was just 88 turbo.

Taking in to count there was turbo se protypes built in 86 not turbo S I would say silver rose was an S.

The sunroof was an extra but most cars where spec with it rather then without.

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

Lets clarify one thing once and for all, Turbo S is the model designation, silver rose was simply the colour that the original 1000 cars came in, there is no such thing as a 944 Silver Rose, it is a 944 Turbo S, the original sales brochure is shown below, model quoted is Turbo S.

Silver Rose is simply a name people have given them over the years

The website below gives a good insight to the Turbo S and how it fitted in to the 944 production including reference to the 944 Cup car.

http://944turbo.net/?page_id=54

Cheers, Paul

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

 

[944Turbo]

The american websites are a bit skewed though as pretty much the last 944 turbo they got was the turboS I think they may have had something like 15 bridge spoiler cars. When the TurboS came out it was a step above the 220 turbo, bigger front brakes, standard gearbox cooler, hardened 1st and 2nd gears, 180mph speedo, more power from the bigger turbo so the advertising will reflect that in 88. No doubt they will also reference the cup race cars as there had been a couple of years of the Porsche cup running before they put this on sale so they were building on that marketing opportunity.

Anyone got an 89 or 90 brochure / advert?

 

[9212PT]

ORIGINAL: Eldavo

Don't think your bridge spoiler is original though Paul, wasn't offered until later and it's a slightly different shape (I think).

If this thread tells us anything though, there seems to be lots of confusion around these cars - I'd better check I actually have a turbo!!!

Yeah Dave mine had a bridge spoiler on when I aquired it but the paint was cracked & it was held on with 3 wood screws & some no more nails so was changed straight away for what you see now..,

So maybe mine was a MY89 with CS alloys & bridge spoiler, I mite trying contact the first owner

 

[944Turbo]

ORIGINAL: 944 man

ORIGINAL: TTM

ORIGINAL: 944 man
I see that there are mentions of the Turbo SE here, meaning a 250PS 1989 model year 944 Turbo. The 944 Turbo SE was what Porsche Cars GB called the car marketed as the Turbo S everywhere else. UK M758 Turbo S cars were marketed as the 1988 944 Turbo with Special Equipment. The 250PS model which appeared in 1989 and continued to 1990/1991 was the 944 Turbo.

Well, not quite - the '88 turbo S was marketed as the "Turbo Cup" in France. They even added a "Cup" sign right of the turbo sign on the rear, and the same sign again over the glovebox.
Confusing really when people boast about owning a "944 turbo Cup". You expect the racer but soon find out about the usual faded pink-ish Silver Rose on CS wheels that have turned white because of poor attention, and torn cloth seats...

See? You never stop learning. Ive only ever seen genuine French Turbo Cup cars so I wasnt aware of this (although I do hanker after a white Cup decal with the laurel leaves). In truth of course, when I say everywhere else I mean Germany and North America, but I know very, very little about other markets and can only really speak English properly.

I did know about the French cup name but never seen the decal - anyone got a pic?

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

Here you go

 

[Frenchy]

Rudds the Silverose came about after the name of the paint "Silberosse", i do not know of any 88 220 Turbos i have only ever seen 85/86/87 MY but again there could well be ?
1988 M758 Cars are Turbo S most are "Silberosse" colour but later 88 cars are in a variety of colours.
The 89 cars are Turbo SE and most though not all seem to have M030 chassis as per M758, No Sekurit lighter screen, split rear seats.
Check out Porsche Supplement WKD 495 021 Which is the tech info from Porsche for the 944 Turbo S (Special Model M758)as quoted, it was produced in 1987 and quotes their intention to manufacture 1000 worlwide, this was the case but they then went on to produce another 635 in various colour and trim specs.
The cars were brought out after the 944 Turbo Cup series that ran in the previous years.

 

[944Turbo]

ORIGINAL: Frenchy

Rudds the Silverose came about after the name of the paint "Silberosse", i do not know of any 88 220 Turbos i have only ever seen 85/86/87 MY but again there could well be ?
1988 M758 Cars are Turbo S most are "Silberosse" colour but later 88 cars are in a variety of colours.
The 89 cars are Turbo SE and most though not all seem to have M030 chassis as per M758, No Sekurit lighter screen, split rear seats.
Check out Porsche Supplement WKD 495 021 Which is the tech info from Porsche for the 944 Turbo S (Special Model M758)as quoted, it was produced in 1987 and quotes their intention to manufacture 1000 worlwide, this was the case but they then went on to produce another 635 in various colour and trim specs.
The cars were brought out after the 944 Turbo Cup series that ran in the previous years.

Was thinking the same thing about 1988 220Bhp cars. Jim has yours got M758 on the stickers? Would rather hae yours than a silvery pink one!

 

[Frenchy]

Hi Tony,
Hope you and yours are well, long long time no see !
My build sheet from Porsche shows M758 "Special Model 944 Turbo 1988 Turbo S", the V5 for the car also states Turbo S though that no doubt is just down to the original supplying dealer Rivervale supplying that info to DVLA.
I do not really know what is on the boot sticker, should really check it out !
Best Regards to you and yours, Jim

 

[944Turbo]

ORIGINAL: PAUL RUDDY

Here you go

thanks

 

[944Turbo]

ORIGINAL: Frenchy

Hi Tony,
Hope you and yours are well, long long time no see !
My build sheet from Porsche shows M758 "Special Model 944 Turbo 1988 Turbo S", the V5 for the car also states Turbo S though that no doubt is just down to the original supplying dealer Rivervale supplying that info to DVLA.
I do not really know what is on the boot sticker, should really check it out !
Best Regards to you and yours, Jim

Cheers and all the best back to you and yours, been far too long, gutted I couldn't make the Germany trip, but too much work on - shouldn't complain I suppose!

I believe the boot sticker is a straight copy of the one in the hand book. Eldavo had Turbo Sport on his sales receipt but no M758 on the sticker, doesnt make Identifying them easier does it!

Enjoy

Tony

 

[TTM]

ORIGINAL: 944Turbo

ORIGINAL: PAUL RUDDY

Here you go

thanks

Wait gents, this sign was a sticker made by one of the guys who has owned this red Cup car, but it's nothing of an official sticker that was put on the cars.

The Cup sign I was talking about is this one :

 

[Eldavo]

ORIGINAL: Totty

ORIGINAL: Eldavo

Don't think your bridge spoiler is original though Paul, wasn't offered until later and it's a slightly different shape (I think).

If this thread tells us anything though, there seems to be lots of confusion around these cars - I'd better check I actually have a turbo!!!

Yeah Dave mine had a bridge spoiler on when I aquired it but the paint was cracked & it was held on with 3 wood screws & some no more nails so was changed straight away for what you see now..,

So maybe mine was a MY89 with CS alloys & bridge spoiler, I mite trying contact the first owner

I need to reassemble my bridge spoiler this week, maybe I'll chuck my shiny new bolts and MS Polymer bonding agent and go for the 3 wood screws and no more nails option

 

[chrisg]

Only just picked up on this thread, I have a Turbo S - MY 1988, silver body, bright red leather interior, M030 option, LSD, no sunroof, CS wheels oh and it's got a trendy half-body colour coding.

See the picture attached ( I hope...... as requested by Hairyarse)

Chris

 

[944Turbo]

ORIGINAL: TTM

ORIGINAL: 944Turbo

ORIGINAL: PAUL RUDDY

Here you go

thanks

Wait gents, this sign was a sticker made by one of the guys who has owned this red Cup car, but it's nothing of an official sticker that was put on the cars.

The Cup sign I was talking about is this one :

Thanks Thom