Wanted - 964 RS

SimonExtreme · Mar 7, 2006

ORIGINAL: Laurence Gibbs
But I cant for the life of me understand why anyone else would want to pay a substantial premium for what is basically the same package,

It's simple! There were 47 RHD cars brought into the UK and 56 built in total. That is significantly less than LHD cars. As time goes on and people start buying the cars more for their "classic" status rather than for trackdays etc, demand in the UK for RHD should strengthen. It happened with the original RS's and is a common feature of many "classics". Take, for instance the Ferarri Dino 246. You see exactly the same pattern.

Having said that, as the car becomes more of a collectors or classic car, people buy more on condition. For instance, I know of a totally concours LHD Dino that sold for similar money to a good RHD car (although I cannot even guess what it would have fetched as a RHD).

You sometimes see the reverse happen when there are less LHD cars than RHD. Most older LHD Astons fetch a premium, simply because there were so few made. However, there are cases when nobody wants the LHD version, as with the TR250 but then again, who wants a Triumph anyway[

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carreraboy · Mar 7, 2006

Simon......can I have some too please...![&:]

clubsport · Mar 8, 2006

Simon, I would say you were correct up to a point.......but rare Lhd Porsches have a larger global maket....you couldn't sell a rhd back to Germany or the US for instance.....I was recently interested in a lhd RS which went to a strong buyer in Japan, apparently they prefer Lhd cars for authenticity despite driving on the left as in the UK......at the end of the day they are all great cars. [

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SimonExtreme · Mar 8, 2006

ORIGINAL: clubsport

Simon, I would say you were correct up to a point.......but rare Lhd Porsches have a larger global maket....you couldn't sell a rhd back to Germany or the US for instance.....I was recently interested in a lhd RS which went to a strong buyer in Japan, apparently they prefer Lhd cars for authenticity despite driving on the left as in the UK......at the end of the day they are all great cars. []

I totally agree that rare LHD Porsches probably get to be the most valuable. The Japanese market is totally weird. LHD is considered very avante garde. In the same way, the language of love is English. Japanese think it is very romantic!! So much of their life they have to totally conform that they take any opportunity to be "different". LHD is more of a lifestyle statement than a choice based on what is better. In the same way, most people buy Japanese cars so as to conform yet there is a thriving market in Mini's (old style) and similar cars.

carreraboy · Mar 8, 2006

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

Simon......can I have some too please...![&:]

A friend of mine got engaged to a lovely girl from Nippon...[

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lee fulford · Mar 8, 2006

Clubsport......you're spot on...Simon you're bonkers[

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When these cars become super-classics and people are buying on condition, LHD or RHD doesn't have any relevance since the cars are just museum pieces.

And if nobody wants a TR 250 then send them my way cos I have a queue of people for them........

clubsport · Mar 8, 2006

Simon, I mentioned Japan as it reflected my recent experience.......However mainland Europe and the USA which I also mentioned are probably relevant due to the larger number of potential buyers ....but then we assume the cars have got to a point where they are no longer viable as daily drivers.

Notice how nice I am wording this, but you really don't seem to like it when more than one person thinks you have gone off at more than a slight tangent to the real world! [

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RSR · Mar 8, 2006

There will never be agreement on the LHD / RHD debate, as everyone has their reasons. For me price would never be the reason for chosing one over the other though it may be for others. For example if there were 2 otherwise identical 964 RS in LHD and RHD I would still buy the LHD car if they were the same PRICE, colour, condition, everything.

It's with great pains therefore that I have just bought a RHD gt2-r. I considered a couple of LHD's that were available, and bought 1 of only 2 RHD's purely because it has run so few hours in its entire life and never been stuffed. Seeing other LHD's that have better provenance in terms of race history was not enough to turn a blind eye to the inevitable battle scars they'd acquired. For someone else they may have preferred that to what I've just bought. As they say it takes all sorts and you weigh everything up with your own priorities. My ideal would have been 1 of the 13 evo LHD factory gt2-r's in it's original white with little or no damage. I've compromised colour and got RHD as the rest of the package meant more to me. The car is currently Silver but it's original factory colour of White can be achieved at a later date if it bothers me.

SimonExtreme · Mar 8, 2006

ORIGINAL: clubsport
Notice how nice I am wording this, but you really don't seem to like it when more than one person thinks you have gone off at more than a slight tangent to the real world! []

Sorry, but I am a bit confused. I thought I had totally agree with your comments[&:]

My comments on Japan weren't meant to contradict anything you aid but to build on it as I know Japan rather well. It comes from having a wife who speaks and reads fluent Japanese and who lived there for some time. In addition, I used to go out with a Japanese girl back in the punk era. Totally stunning with peroxide blond hair and a set of those contacts that made her eyse look turquoise!

And if you really want some TR250's, a friend imports them from the US when he can find them in the right condition and uses the chassis and body shells to "rebuild" RHD TR's.

Yoda · Mar 8, 2006

Hi Paul - are those your new wheels or are they for stock? Looks awesome .... if you are coming to SPA in May can you take me for a spin please!!

RSR · Mar 8, 2006

Hi Yoda. This is not for stock, but the very reason I sold my 993 Clubsport. If I wasn't given the opportunity for this car I wouldn't have sold the clubbie. I was very sorry to see the clubsport go, but I'm hoping the new wheels will provide the same grin factor once I finally get it on circuit.

clubsport · Mar 8, 2006

Simon,,,sorry if I read it wrong...I thought you were implying Japan couldn't be taken as a good example to support my response..... sometimes internet written word doesn't translate on the first read...no harm done,,,,,as you were....carrying on keeping the Leichtbau lefties on their toes [

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Great piccy RSR, the rear view that most of us are likely to see on track as you come past [

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sambaman · Mar 8, 2006

Paul,
it's nice 'n' warm in my garage .. the car will be treat like a baby while in my hands with exceptions of track days heee ...so i can tell yah its gone to a bloody good home where it will be well cared for as it should be , i LOVE the car !!

Thanks paul...keith

ORIGINAL: RSR

Hi Yoda. This is not for stock, but the very reason I sold my 993 Clubsport. If I wasn't given the opportunity for this car I wouldn't have sold the clubbie. I was very sorry to see the clubsport go, but I'm hoping the new wheels will provide the same grin factor once I finally get it on circuit.

SimonExtreme · Mar 8, 2006

ORIGINAL: RSR

Hi Yoda. This is not for stock, but the very reason I sold my 993 Clubsport. If I wasn't given the opportunity for this car I wouldn't have sold the clubbie. I was very sorry to see the clubsport go, but I'm hoping the new wheels will provide the same grin factor once I finally get it on circuit.

Having had a close look at the picture, I hope you insure it for FIRE and theft because those are great looking flames out the rear[

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jason · Mar 8, 2006

Paul - looks totally awesome, yellow peril will soon become a distant memory...

Keith - you're a lucky man.... (did you sell that expensive RS clubsport in yellow?)

Everyone else - Are we not all saying the same thing here????? Some people buy on condition, originality, provenance, mileage, affordability etc etc etc but there is always the chance there will forever be an anomily in prices between LHD and RHD cars in the UK alone because we actually drive on the left hand side of the road and so some people will pay a premium just for a RHD car.

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Even if RHD cars are obviously not as good Simon[

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SimonExtreme · Mar 8, 2006

ORIGINAL: clubsport
Great piccy RSR, the rear view that most of us are likely to see on track as you come past []

No, he's got a car with flames coming out the back to try to stop us all getting too close[

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SimonExtreme · Mar 8, 2006

ORIGINAL: jason
Even if RHD cars are obviously not as good Simon[]

OK. That's it! We need some sort of...........JUDGEMENT DAY!!! We could start off with a fast left hand bend, go on to a short handling course and then finish with a nice figure 8 over about a half a mile of runway. I wonder how a RHD car would do against all the lefties[

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sambaman · Mar 8, 2006

thanks jason ... we still have the clubsport we still cannot determine if this car is a factory wide body hence ; THE PRICE , we have now gone straight to porsche with numbers etc and awaiting for the letter back , we shall see !!!

ORIGINAL: jason

Paul - looks totally awesome, yellow peril will soon become a distant memory...

Keith - you're a lucky man.... (did you sell that expensive RS clubsport in yellow?)

Everyone else - Are we not all saying the same thing here????? Some people buy on condition, originality, provenance, mileage, affordability etc etc etc but there is always the chance there will forever be an anomily in prices between LHD and RHD cars in the UK alone because we actually drive on the left hand side of the road and so some people will pay a premium just for a RHD car.

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Even if RHD cars are obviously not as good Simon[]

oldtimer · Mar 9, 2006

Sorry to disagree with Laurence and Lee who are great guys with lots of respect , but I think the power steering on the RHD 964RS is a big advantage . I have had to stick a sizeable hub extender (!)on to be able to exert enough leverage on the heavy non assisted steering , still b***y awkward. Agree that LHD pedal positions a lot better.
The major benefit of any 964RS, IMHO, is its ability on trackdays. Good balance of power and handling and ideal platform for improving driving skills [

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