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Wanted - 964 RS

ORIGINAL: oldtimer

Sorry to disagree with Laurence and Lee who are great guys with lots of respect , but I think the power steering on the RHD 964RS is a big advantage . I have had to stick a sizeable hub extender (!)on to be able to exert enough leverage on the heavy non assisted steering , still b***y awkward. Agree that LHD pedal positions a lot better.
The major benefit of any 964RS, IMHO, is its ability on trackdays. Good balance of power and handling and ideal platform for improving driving skills [;)]
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John...I've never really had an issue with the PAS thing (although I'm interested to know why they never fitted it to the race cars if it's that good) My point is that PAS along with RHD is not going to be worth any more than LHD when I'm older and greyer and these things are worth millions[;)]
 
Any idea why they fitted power steering to RHD cars in the first place? It is bizarre that power steering was not even fitted to their endurance racers...
 
The power steering thing is interesting. Why don't they use it on race cars? Well, they do these days on some. Why didn't they fit it back then? I suspect because it wasn't needed for a race car as at speed the weight of steering was fine and power steering adds weight and can drain a small amount of power. I haven't seen the figures but I bet it could make up to 40kgs difference.

However, I think the feel and weighting of the power steering on my car is about as good as it gets and I do not think that it limits the car in any way. Power steering gets bad press because on many saloons it totally deadens the feel and drivability. However, power steering can be tuned to give as much feel and feedback as non power steering. The key to any steering is to be able to know where the front wheels are pointing at any time and to be able to feel how much grip is coming from the front end. Good steering set ups will allow you to feel the beginning of loss of traction before the car actually "moves" due to that lack of traction.

I have to admit that when I bought my car, I expected the power steering to be the potential downside. I knew it would be an advantage on the road, which is where I use the car most but I certainly didn't expect it to be as good as it is. This was proven to me at Judgement Day, not because of the times or speed I got but because of the feel. I still get a buz thinking about it! OK, I suspect I had an advantage on the "Supermarket Car Park" driving test[;)] but the thing that stood out was on the big course in the afternoon. Except for maybe in a Caterham, I have never felt anything like it. I had a car squirming around underneath me on a course that both induced understeer and oversteer at different times and I always felt as if I knew how much grip and what direction everything was going. I really acnnot believe it would have been any better with non power steering.

This isn't meant to be a "one is better than the other" type of thing. All I am saying is that it is horses for courses and that I don't think the feel of the power steering presents any limitations. On a 964RS race car, I would probably not fit power steering, but only in the pursuit of minimum weight etc. Outside of competition, I doubt you could really tell which was better.
 
I believe PAS was fitted to the RHD cars at the request of Porsche GB. The GB spec cars are driven from feedback from Porsche GB who understand the uk market better than Porsche AG. Porsche AG also never intended to supply 7 RHD 993 RS clubbies until they were asked to do so.

Similar story with cabriolets and electric hoods. Electric hoods were standard equipment on uk spec cabs at a time when rest of europe had to option it.
 
Wot ya saying Paul UK RHD needed Power Steering for softer UK buyers! Sorry Simon winding up again.........Power Steering great for North Weald! Even in RHD still the best 911 ever......
 
All M64 engines are basically the same save for minor revisions. If memory serves me correctly they simply remove the Power steering pump and block it off for lhd RS and fit a non assited rack. I think Paul is much closer to the truth. There is no reason that you could not retrofit power steering to a lhd RS. The only difference is that you would have to fit the standard C2's ratio rack. A pump, reserviour, rack and hydraulic lines would be the sum and total of the parts. I would guesstimate £500-750 for the rack £??? for the pump £??? for the lines and £?? for the reserviour. Depending on how easy it is to get at the lines and fit the pump a day or two's labour. I am assuming breakers yard prices not brand new and an exchange rack. The camshafts are the same accross all N/A variants. So it could be done for about the same money as a set of sticky tyres and a major service, to put it in perspective.
 
Thanks Lawrence!! I think you will have just created minor pandemonium as LHD 964 RS owners rush out to breakers yards and fight over the power steering components to fit to their cars.

Don't tell anyone about the other hot mods of the moment - fitting the steering wheel on the other side of the car and moving the seat rails over 2 inches to create an off set driving position. Both are this seasons must have mods.

[;)]
 
ORIGINAL: Laurence Gibbs
The only conclusion i can come up with is that some don't have the skill to handle driving a car with the wheel on the other side?
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And we know plenty of ppl in left-hookers who've done the third-fourth change in a rush and hit second.........ping!!![;)]
 
don't know who you could be talking about.[;)] but i bet it might have been his, oops their first proper track day. I know of an old hand and several good racing drivers who've done it too so he er they are in good company[:D] did'nt cost erm them as much as a certain someone too[:D] ohh and it can be done in rhd too.
 
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