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Very interesting reading but just a thought, my car has done 170k and is 30 years old, what would you have considered a recorded mileage as being low? 170k over 30 years = 5666 miles per year, low mileage to me 👍 She belies her age, is the S model and is going to be worth £££££££££'s one day, all irrelevant as she will never be sold [:)]
 
170k over 30 years = 5666 miles per year, low mileage to me 👍
A good point. In fact, a lot of the cars did large mileages in their early life: that's what Porsche engineered and designed them for, wasn't it? If you look more closely, many of them have done a much lower mileage per year over the last 10 or 15 years. Perhaps 20K in years one to three, then reduced when they were no longer company cars, reducing further as they became second or third cars.
 
Porsche OPC Portsmouth just sold a 944 s2 with 50,000 odd miles in excellent condition for around £22,000 within 3 weeks. I believe this shows the market is moving upwards on these models , although this obviously comes with the main dealer benefits. Typically just stuck a turbo engine in my S2 !! Never seem to get it right as I struggled in the early nineties to sell the UR quattros and Mercedes 2.5 16v I had, now look at the prices, I could get more for the split rim BBS wheels on the Quattro than I sold the whole car for today. Still I derive my pleasure from working and toying on my cars rather than polishing and worrying about future values.
 
Haven't done a leak down test on my engine yet but she barely burns any oil on track (10-60 Millers CFS), spins sweetly and crisp on the throttle response. Both EMC and NineX were adamant the engine seems fine, they reckoned my feeling of the car feeling gutless on the straights is just a natural progression for anyone who drives these cars on track, a feeling which gets much worse as you get more used to cornering faster. She is at 175k odd miles now so it seems true these engines never really wear out, except perhaps for the head which I had rebuilt in 2011. The more and more I think about it I might end up just keeping my car forever, maybe tart her up a bit more, put the headlights back in, MoT, get her looking mint again like when she was built in 2010. As much fun as a Man can have with your trousers on.
 
Just like to add now I have heard and learned enough from all those racing the new models that I have precisely zero interest in 986s and 996s with their chocolate mechanicals, the things are just cheap junk made by a cynical corner cutting company. Honestly I think practically every other car on the market over the past 20 years has more robust mechanicals. This is why longer term the value of our cars will sky rocket just as all the air cooled stuff has.
 
ORIGINAL: pauljmcnulty
170k over 30 years = 5666 miles per year, low mileage to me 👍
A good point. In fact, a lot of the cars did large mileages in their early life: that's what Porsche engineered and designed them for, wasn't it? If you look more closely, many of them have done a much lower mileage per year over the last 10 or 15 years. Perhaps 20K in years one to three, then reduced when they were no longer company cars, reducing further as they became second or third cars.
Paul, To bear that out I have just dug out my service book. Del 01/03/90 Mileage after that: 4/91 16851 4/92 49462 5/93 74518 ... 7/95 110918 10/96 130651 ..... 10/01 192450 ... 10/14 250952 This was all by the same person as a company car (his co, his car so it got well maintained) They did get well used when new! David
 
Del 01/03/90 Mileage after that: 4/91 16851 4/92 49462 5/93 74518 ... 7/95 110918 10/96 130651 ..... 10/01 192450 ... 10/14 250952
Its never cooled down........[:D] For me, its great to see them being used like that. George 944t
 
I sold my 944 a month ago and it has covered 1,000 miles since it was sold. It gives the new owner a smile as did it for me :). IMO 944s are great when they are used :).
 
Explain yourself Sir !!
I'm saying (notes Forum Name asking question) that the 944 model is so well engineered and constructed that it is difficult to think of what I would be happy to drive as an alternative. Porsches include the 964 and 996 GT models which asre similarly engineered, outside that I have to admit to a deep respect for the Nissan GTR product. An admiration which started with the R33, extended back to the R32, never quite hit with the R34 but has matured with the current transaxle & 4wd machine. I really consider it is what the 968 could have evolved into had Porsche been openminded enough to wholeheartedly develop a second chassis outside the Beetle range. Now, that Forum Name of yours Sir, lets have an explanation some time [8|] George 944t
 
ORIGINAL: George Elliott Its happening with the 944 too The right models, Silver Rose, Turbo S, Non - Cat, and I think early 220 horse cars are leading the way The generic rule is supply / demand as always. Is it a good thing? I don't think it matters. Just drive it George
I'm intrigued by this statement, by my understanding the Turbo S is exactly the same as the late model Turbo ( wasn't the 's' designation only used for a year or so ) if that is the case why it be more desirable, when to all intents and purposes they are exactly the same ? Totally agree with the 'just drive it' comment, never understood why folks would buy a sports car (or any other car for that matter) only to drive it during the months which don't contain an 'r' (thats May June and July [:D] ) and never doing more that 500 miles, wheres the fun in that ?
 
OK, I'll be the pedant, what about August? Should I not be getting GQ (Garage Queen) out in August as well then?
 
On the matter of "drive it", funnily enough I have just been driving the black Turbo (The non-garage queen) after it hasn't ben driven for a while. To start with it wasn't idling properly... and the nr-side fron't indicator had stopped working (I have had to clean it up before). After about 60 miles it felt much better, by the end of 130 mile, not only had the indicator started working again, but so had the clock bulb, and centre dashboard light, as well as idling perfectly (well, nearly) again. I had wondered previously about why use should keep electrical stuff working, someone on here suggested the jiggling around would have a self-cleaning affect on electrical contacts - makes sense to me.
 
ORIGINAL: MRGT I'm intrigued by this statement, by my understanding the Turbo S is exactly the same as the late model Turbo ( wasn't the 's' designation only used for a year or so ) if that is the case why it be more desirable, when to all intents and purposes they are exactly the same ?
There are quite a lot of differences between the 88 Turbo S and the later 89MY cars. Here are a few : No Sunroof Larger 12" Discs and Calipers off the 928S4 Lightweight CS Forged Alloy Wheels M030 Suspension as standard Bigger Anti Roll Bars Different Engine Internals with larger exhaust valves Hardened 1st & 2nd Gear with a revised clutch Plus the first 1000 produced were in the unique Silver Rose colour scheme [:)]
 
ORIGINAL: DavidL Paul, To bear that out I have just dug out my service book. Del 01/03/90 Mileage after that: 4/91 16851 4/92 49462 5/93 74518 ... 7/95 110918 10/96 130651 ..... 10/01 192450 ... 10/14 250952 This was all by the same person as a company car (his co, his car so it got well maintained) They did get well used when new! David
Yours had done almost as much mileage by July 1995 as mind had done by 2013! (113,000 miles now). Having said that, my mileage will rise a bit quicker now as I no longer have the second car option... Good to be using the 944 more I must say, I just don't like parking it in small spaces, leaving it in car parks etc.
 
After reading the comments about the 944 is made for driving not the garage I plan on driving mine most days for the next week having not driven it since August. It went for a MOT yesterday and passed with no advisories.
 
ORIGINAL: MartinRS2K
ORIGINAL: MRGT I'm intrigued by this statement, by my understanding the Turbo S is exactly the same as the late model Turbo ( wasn't the 's' designation only used for a year or so ) if that is the case why it be more desirable, when to all intents and purposes they are exactly the same ?
There are quite a lot of differences between the 88 Turbo S and the later 89MY cars. Here are a few : No Sunroof - Was an option Larger 12" Discs and Calipers off the 928S4 - Did all 250 turbos not have this? Lightweight CS Forged Alloy Wheels - Standard on MY89 250 turbo? Option on very early MY90's if you were quick. M030 Suspension as standard - Was an option Bigger Anti Roll Bars - Came with M030 option Different Engine Internals with larger exhaust valves - Is the engine not the same on all 250's? Hardened 1st & 2nd Gear with a revised clutch - All 250 turbo's have this along with trans cooler and lsd? Plus the first 1000 produced were in the unique Silver Rose colour scheme [:)]
Hi Martin I'm no expert but was under the impression my added notes above were accurate? In my case I have a MY90 turbo, no sunroof, M030 package, CS wheels standard. From what I can gather the only difference between my car and a MY88 turbo s is mine had a bridge spoiler as standard, as all 90 turbos did. Other than that I know of no differences? Happy to be enlightend! Cheers Stuart
 
The only downside with using a Porsche everyday is you begin to stop appreciating it and treat it like any other car. Great to own one but also good to have a balance between using it and keeping it in the garage.
 
That's true. I did appreciate the 944 more after driving my other car. I don't have a garage, and I use a pedal bike day to day!
 
I'm gonna stick my neck out and say that collectors/speculators prefer limited number cars, so although a MY89 or later Turbo may have some or all of the unique Turbo S items spec'd as options, the fact that a genuine Turbo S is a limited run M758 special build car will always be more collectible and this should/will be valued higher in the future. Cheers, Paul
 

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