944 Market

[Ex Skyline]

ORIGINAL: George Elliott

Explain yourself Sir !!

I'm saying (notes Forum Name asking question) that the 944 model is so well engineered and constructed that it is difficult to think of what I would be happy to drive as an alternative. Porsches include the 964 and 996 GT models which asre similarly engineered, outside that I have to admit to a deep respect for the Nissan GTR product. An admiration which started with the R33, extended back to the R32, never quite hit with the R34 but has matured with the current transaxle & 4wd machine. I really consider it is what the 968 could have evolved into had Porsche been openminded enough to wholeheartedly develop a second chassis outside the Beetle range. Now, that Forum Name of yours Sir, lets have an explanation some time [8|] George 944t

Ha, Ha []! Happy to explain George, no mystery at all. I have been the very proud owner of three Nissan Skylines in very high states of tune. Two R32's and, one R34. It was the R33 that Nissan cocked up with, not the R34. They are incredible machines and, I had many, very enjoyable trips to the Nurburgring, Spa, Le Mans etc and, some great memories to boot [8D]. It all went t1t5 up when Sarah had Our little boy Sidney. She asked me to calm down a bit, wind my neck in, that sort of sh1t [8|]. "Please sell the Skyline Pete', you will end up killing yourself. Think of me and Sid'". And, so I did []. Now I have the 944 Turbo. Seem's to have "shot herself in the foot" somewhat methinks [8|] [].........[].

 

[Shark]

ORIGINAL: DavidL

ORIGINAL: Jase1969 Agreed, there's a reason why it's that price.

It looks pretty straight on the face of it. Lots more pics on their website. Not perfect but it could just have had paint, panel gaps seem ok.

I'll let you all know when it arrives next week. This is why some of you guys struggle to find a car, too much humming and hawing.. When you see a cheap car like that you do two things immediately- hpi it (text the reg to 83600) to make sure its clean and claim free. Then call the seller for more details. In this instance, they prepared that car for a customer in Oz, he had to cancel at the last minute because of the pre'89 rule, it wasn't old enough to import to Oz (you'd think the guy would have checked that out first). He had paid for it, so it owes the dealer nothing. They are simply selling it for him. They restored the body - did some paint (so what they have all had paint) (better having had it than needing it) and they made it right mechanically too, they didn't bother replacing the rear decals. They have zero interest in the model as it's not the type of car they sell and they have little interest (or know how) in taking it to the next level. The seats need reconolising (takes me 2x 1hr sessions to do that) but that's a big deal to some - "oh the seats are knackered!".. No, they are just two hours away from looking like brand new. I called they guy and bought it right there and then, balls on the table, money where my mouth is. I didn't need to come on here and discuss it, while you were all doing that, I had already secured it. I've got 5 951's racked up (1 is a keeper), 5 cars you missed in the last 6weeks. Dither and you miss it. Check list: answer yes to all, buy it.. Around 100k Hpi clear Service book/history Price right Paint, seats, brakes, wheels tyres, exhausts, sills, belts etc.. Can all be fixed. There is no perfect car out there unless you pay the premium. Budget a couple thousand to make them right, so the if the initial price allows for that, buy it! Please don't take any of my reply in arrogance as I do not wish to be interpreted that way..but while you guys all talk of not liking the rear decal or thinking it must have had a bump, a vulture has been in and sniped it.

 

[MartinRS2K]

FPMSL [] That's a great reply and I Applaud your commitment. So when you have spent a week preparing the car and getting it looking fantastic then take some good pictures and a great description of the car you will sell it for a well deserved profit. Someone will happily pay the premium that you add to get a car that they can drive straight away without having to worry about any jobs needing to be done which is what some people want. I look forward to seeing the car when ready to sell and showing how it looks then []

 

[JaseGT4]

Well done, are you collecting these Reason I didn't purchase was: 1) It's a turbo, don't want another. 2) If the price is to good to be true, it normally is. 3) Too cheap from a dealer, as above. I know you know what you are doing with these cars so it will have a thorough check etc before selling. Would you be selling this with a full warranty?

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Please don't take any of my reply in arrogance as I do not wish to be interpreted that way..but while you guys all talk of not liking the rear decal or thinking it must have had a bump, a vulture has been in and sniped it.

Great comment. So many people put far too much store in things like a missing option sticker in the boot, the wrong wheels, only partial history, and lose out on a really good car. Different if it's a concourse car, or a museum piece, but 944s were built and sold to be used. There aren't many that won't have had some miles put on them, and most will have had the odd bump or scrape along the way.

 

[Shark]

ORIGINAL: Jase1969 Well done, are you collecting these? Would you be selling this with a full warranty?

My favourite cars. I'm a car dealer, I don't do bread and butter (ford, Vauxhall etc). That's boring. I only do things that excite me, cars I'd like to own myself..it keeps the job interesting, doesn't feel like work, it's more a full time hobby that pays the bills (most of the time). All those car shows on discovery.. Wheeler dealers, gas monkey, classic car rescue etc... That's me. I get real satisfaction from my work..and I have saved (read restored) what must be nearly a 100 944's in my time (ok, I have sold a few stinkers in the past too, but a man has to start somewhere, crawl before walking etc) Warranty? No warranties on classic cars. I make sure they are right before they sell, no warranty needed. If a man tells me the ass fell out his 944 after a sale, I'll work with him to resolve.

 

[Catgirl]

ORIGINAL: Shark I called they guy and bought it right there and then, balls on the table, money where my mouth is. I didn't need to come on here and discuss it, while you were all doing that, I had already secured it. I've got 5 951's racked up (1 is a keeper), 5 cars you missed in the last 6weeks. Dither and you miss it. Check list: answer yes to all, buy it.. Around 100k Hpi clear Service book/history Price right Paint, seats, brakes, wheels tyres, exhausts, sills, belts etc.. Can all be fixed. There is no perfect car out there unless you pay the premium. Budget a couple thousand to make them right, so the if the initial price allows for that, buy it! Please don't take any of my reply in arrogance as I do not wish to be interpreted that way..but while you guys all talk of not liking the rear decal or thinking it must have had a bump, a vulture has been in and sniped it.

Ah , so it was you who bought it 30 minutes before I phoned them with every intention of placing a deposit. Boo hoo.[]

 

[JaseGT4]

There's one on ebay with 24 months warranty in red

 

[944 man]

Classic cars are sold without warranty... Caveat emptor.

 

[JaseGT4]

you can buy a 'classic' car with a warranty. It's not actually a classic car, not being awkward.[]

 

[DavidL]

I'd imagine any car could be bought with a warranty, it just depends what the dealer offers. Most are a waste of paper but I imagine there are some straight up people out there. It it goes wrong they'll fix it.

 

[white944]

Used car warranties are usually mickey mouse mechanical breakdown insurances with loads of get out clauses anyway. Luckily we have the Sale Of Goods Act. Applies to used goods as well as new. A trader can't get away with selling you a dog, classic car or not.

 

[PAUL RUDDY]

ORIGINAL: SHARK My favourite cars. I'm a car dealer, I don't do bread and butter (ford, Vauxhall etc). That's boring. I only do things that excite me, cars I'd like to own myself..it keeps the job interesting, doesn't feel like work, it's more a full time hobby that pays the bills (most of the time). All those car shows on discovery.. Wheeler dealers, gas monkey, classic car rescue etc... That's me.

Don't put yourself in with those cowboys, half of what they show is 'smoke and mirrors' ....then again you are a used car dealer [], I am joking by the way. Those TV shows are entertainment at best, the quoted figures bare no reality what so ever as a 5 minute search on the internet can confirm. I enjoy Fast n Loud a lot but trawl the US forums and you'll find a lot of the truth, same for Counting Cars, the buyers are mostly fake as are the sale prices, they already own the car and have paid for work to be done. Now as for Wheeler Dealers, did you see Mikes new show last week, Trading Up, he bought a MK1 Escort in Oz for $5500, allegedly , well no he didn't he actually paid $11,000 as a friend of mine lives there and is in the Australian Classic Ford scene, the basis of the whole programme, buy cheap sell high, is pure fabrication or just a blatant lie, not to mention little costs like, flights, vat, duty, accommodation, fuel, food, hire cars etc etc that get omitted . Right , now I've got that off me chest, back to 944's ....

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Used car warranties are usually mickey mouse mechanical breakdown insurances with loads of get out clauses

Exactly. I'd go further, and say they actually imply you have greater security when in fact they pretty much exclude anything they'd need to pay out on. You could be left worse off by paying a premium for a car with a bought-in warranty in some cases. It's the car you are buying, not some third-party insurance from a dealer who's sold his liability on to someone else. [8|]

 

[944 man]

My point has been lost, I fear.

 

[Shark]

The sale of goods act is the warranty. The car has to be good and fit for purpose for a period of time and mileage after the sale. There is no stipulation as to exactly how much time or how many miles, but the car needs to meet a criteria for a period of time and match the description too. You can buy a warranty from a warranty company, but they will want to inspect the car first to make sure there is no huge liability there. Or, I can charge an extra £500 for a warranty if you like, that'll cover your engine and gearbox/drivetrain for 12months or 12,000miles. Will you pay the extra?, it may never happen and your out £500..and I'm better off. Or, if you suffer an unlikely breakdown you come to me and I settle with you. You are £500 up and your car is fixed..

 

[George Elliott]

Post of the year nomination. There are armchair 951 enthusiasts, and there is this approach. [][][][] So Refreshing.

I'll let you all know when it arrives next week. This is why some of you guys struggle to find a car, too much humming and hawing.. When you see a cheap car like that you do two things immediately- hpi it (text the reg to 83600) to make sure its clean and claim free. Then call the seller for more details. In this instance, they prepared that car for a customer in Oz, he had to cancel at the last minute because of the pre'89 rule, it wasn't old enough to import to Oz (you'd think the guy would have checked that out first). He had paid for it, so it owes the dealer nothing. They are simply selling it for him. They restored the body - did some paint (so what they have all had paint) (better having had it than needing it) and they made it right mechanically too, they didn't bother replacing the rear decals. They have zero interest in the model as it's not the type of car they sell and they have little interest (or know how) in taking it to the next level. The seats need reconolising (takes me 2x 1hr sessions to do that) but that's a big deal to some - "oh the seats are knackered!".. No, they are just two hours away from looking like brand new. I called they guy and bought it right there and then, balls on the table, money where my mouth is. I didn't need to come on here and discuss it, while you were all doing that, I had already secured it. I've got 5 951's racked up (1 is a keeper), 5 cars you missed in the last 6weeks. Dither and you miss it. Check list: answer yes to all, buy it.. Around 100k Hpi clear Service book/history Price right Paint, seats, brakes, wheels tyres, exhausts, sills, belts etc.. Can all be fixed. There is no perfect car out there unless you pay the premium. Budget a couple thousand to make them right, so the if the initial price allows for that, buy it! Please don't take any of my reply in arrogance as I do not wish to be interpreted that way..but while you guys all talk of not liking the rear decal or thinking it must have had a bump, a vulture has been in and sniped it.

 

[Diver944]

ORIGINAL: 944 man My point has been lost, I fear.

Not by me Simon, and I am sure that most of the rest of us know that if you buy from a Dealer it has to comply with the Sale of Goods act and Trading Standards will investigate any complaint. Luckily for us, the 944 world is very small and any dodgy dealings are very quickly discussed ad infinitum and a poor reputation takes a long time to be built back up again.

 

[JaseGT4]

we seem to have lost a few posts, where have they gone?

 

[pauljmcnulty]

Worst case scenarios as follows.. Replace knackered engine £500, clutch £300, gearbox £300, arch repairs £300, full respray £1000 (£850 for a cab), brake discs are £50, wheel refurbs are £200, fuel lines £200, brake pipes £100, belt/rollers/pump £400, service £90, replace both sills and weld in new floors £800, recon seats £40

But those are all trade prices, so not relevant to private buyers who should be far more choosy, to be fair? Taking one example, the clutch kit alone will cost a private buyer the thick end of £500, the labour at an indie will be the same again, and there will probably be other things an indie would do as while-I'm-in-there preventative work. Traders have to put a car on the market with the minimum work needed, as after 3 months it's not their problem. Not a criticism: traders have to earn a living and there's no profit if you treat every belt change as needing a water pump, rollers, seals etc. That where private buyers need to look at all these jobs being nearer four-figures than a few hundred. DIY is obviously the way to go when buying an old car, but plenty of people (like me) can't do the work themselves so we always have to suggest prices that reflect specialist rates. Of course, the advice to any prospective buyer would be to look for a car where a lot of work has been done already. A car from a dealer who's got the trade contacts to get rates like those might well be a good buy. A clutch and full belt service is easily the price of a lot of pretty good Luxes: add in some paint alone and you're up to the price of a decent S2....