944 Market
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Shark
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Just had a look at the prices of 944/951's in Germany. Budget 30,000euro+ for a nice Turbo and 25,000euro for a S2 cab. [link=http://suchen.mobile.de/auto/porsche-944.html?useCase=ChangeSortOrder&__lp=7&scopeId=C&makeModelVariant1.makeId=20100&makeModelVariant1.modelId=12&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&minFirstRegistrationDate=1988-01-01&export=ALSO_EXPORT&sortPath=searchNetGrossPrice&sortOption.sortOrder=DESCENDING&defaultOrder=DESCENDING&lang=en]Clicky[/link][link=http://suchen.mobile.de/auto/porsche-944.html?useCase=ChangeSortOrder&__lp=7&scopeId=C&makeModelVariant1.makeId=20100&makeModelVariant1.modelId=12&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&minFirstRegistrationDate=1988-01-01&export=ALSO_EXPORT&sortPath=searchNetGrossPrice&sortOption.sortOrder=DESCENDING&defaultOrder=DESCENDING&lang=en]Clicky[/link]
MarkK
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When I went to Germany to go to the ring in 2010,I was surprised by the way they were enthusiastic about 944 turbos,I had people looking at the car at petrol stations and a group of people was gathered around it in a car park when I came back to it after a visit to the loo,bearing in mind the local area was filled with way more expensive and exclusive pork,one guy was on his back looking underneath it at my exhaust...! I think it is held in more esteem over there and those values back that theory up a bit.[
] Hopefully that appreciation will creep over here a bit !
] Hopefully that appreciation will creep over here a bit !
Shark
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It's because they all know the modern cars are just oversized airfix model kits (which they are, all snap-fit together, just add a screw and it'll last a few years), but the older Porks are actually real cars, designed by men and fetteled by hands not computers. Look at the 928- handmade. Boxsters and later are all made by robots fitting (cheap) CAD part together.
Agree totally, the last two years that we have done the Dinslaken show our 944's get a lot of nice comments and they are certainly more valued in Germany, we had lots of thumbs up and drivers asking questions when we were stopped at junctions or stuck in traffic. I believe the 2015 show will be centred around the trans axle cars. Several of us are already booked, one group sailing from Newcastle and another group from Hull.ORIGINAL: MarkK When I went to Germany to go to the ring in 2010,I was surprised by the way they were enthusiastic about 944 turbos,I had people looking at the car at petrol stations and a group of people was gathered around it in a car park when I came back to it after a visit to the loo,bearing in mind the local area was filled with way more expensive and exclusive pork,one guy was on his back looking underneath it at my exhaust...! I think it is held in more esteem over there and those values back that theory up a bit.[
MartinRS2K
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Round and black Jim [] Fronts : 225/50/ZR16 Rears : 245/45/ZR16
] Fronts : 225/50/ZR16 Rears : 245/45/ZR16
Is a certain trader trying to push up the prices of these cars by stating they were sold at a higher price than actually achieved on PH? Just comparing some screen shots of the original Sold ads I'm just being observant, not being awkward and its up to individuals to do as they please.
trying to push up the prices of these cars by stating they were sold at a higher price than actually achieved on PH? Just comparing some screen shots of the original Sold ads I'm just being observant, not being awkward and its up to individuals to do as they please.George Elliott
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The industry terms are "designed for Manufacture" and "design for Assembly" which mean the components are injected moulded from cheap plastic material that will distort / split / strip threads, or die cast in monkey metal which is little better. But these cheap parts reduce the unit component cost. Then the motor industry resistance to train skilled craftsmen mean these cheap components must snap together with clip feature that often will not reverse to dismantle and be reassembled. But they go together easily and quickly reducing labour cost and that other industry challenge, Unit Cost. It wont change back, so our old properly made cars will increase in value if looked after. George 944t
pauljmcnulty
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I've always wanted to own a car that was on the cusp of new technology bringing huge benefits, like safety and reliability, and the point where they started to descend in to over-complexity, bringing in huge costs to maintain. Not sure that sentence isn't overly-complex itself....[
] The great cars from the '80s were a huge leap forward over the '70s, but once in to the '90s we saw cost-driven design take over. My real worry is the new cars. Take Audi, who have perhaps 976 model variants today. How is anyone going to find parts for them in 30 years time? You could see cars scrapped because they have unique lamp units that are out of production. It's mad to see manufacturers merging to share platforms and costs, then spinning out infinite models with different "visible" parts.
Martin - those tyre sizes aren't standard 944s - 205/55 16 and 225/50 16 are normal I believe.
steve 944t
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It's great to see prices creeping up. I've been thinking seriously about getting rid of mine recently, mainly due to lack of use. But hopefully a rare opportunity to blow out some cobwebs at Silverstone tomorrow will remind me why I've held on to it for the last 11 years. If forced to choose between my 944T and 996C2 ("cheap junk" apparently []) it would be a tough choice, but I think the 996 might just win. But I will probably think differently tomorrow! PS Jim - the CS alloys on a Turbo S should wear 225/50 and 245/45 tyres front/rear respectively.
]) it would be a tough choice, but I think the 996 might just win. But I will probably think differently tomorrow! PS Jim - the CS alloys on a Turbo S should wear 225/50 and 245/45 tyres front/rear respectively.Monkeythree
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Bobbins. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Whilst it is true that the general trend on the cost of any particular component is downwards, this is rarely at the expense of functionality or performance. That is why KIA and the likes now offer 7 year warranties. Parts are getting cheaper AND better quality.
pauljmcnulty
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I'd love to hear your thought as to why, Steve? Yours is a properly-sorted 944t, and whilst I wouldn't say a 996 is a bad car under any circumstances, I'd be surprised that you thought it was better in the real world of the UK roads. Is it down to everday use? Is the 944 less usable with the mods, is it the fact that the 944 is pretty hard to replace, so the 996 is less stressful to use day-to-day?
MartinRS2K
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Hi Mike These are the correct tyres for my 88 Turbo S (7" fronts and 9" rears) and 91 Turbo (7 1/2" fronts and 9" rears) according to both manuals. Possibly different on cars with narrower wheels? I've amended my sizes above as was having an elderly moment [
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steve 944t
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That's really hard to answer to be honest Paul! Arguably the 944 is actually a much better road car than the 996. Other than the very low ride height, the mods (particularly the KW and other suspension mods) have improved it immeasurably and of course it is more practical. On track there is absolutely no comparison. But for me the 996 just about sneaks it on 3 counts. Firstly the very fact that it is a 911. I have loved them since I was a kid and I still get a buzz from owning mine. Secondly the noise. That is the one area that disappoints with the 944, whereas the 996 sounds fantastic. And thirdly, to me the 996 is a more "technical" drive. It is very different to anything else I've ever driven and you really can feel it respond when you get a corner right. Most importantly, you don't need to be driving at crazy speed to get that feeling, even at normal road speed you can feel the front end bite when you get the weight transfer right on turn-in. The same absolutely applies to a well setup 944, but the difference seems more pronounced in the 996. With ever increasing traffic and cameras outright performance is not that important to me anymore. It's more about how the car feels to drive. Fortunately I don't yet have to choose and it's more a case of wanting to try something new. But with a 4 year old daughter and a wife that doesn't drive, replacing one of the Porsches with something more practical would be beneficial. But if tomorrow's trackday at Silverstone goes well my enthusiasm for the 944 will hopefully be rekindled and I will stop looking at M3s and C63 AMGs!
I thought I been seeing things . I'm glad someobe else noticed the sneaky inflation.ORIGINAL: Jase1969 Is a certain trader
Shark
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You are not imagining things guys. I'm afraid it is not my doing or tactics I would employ. My brother who is also a colleague (and the director) is responsible for that.. He is copying many other 911 dealers.. It's that type behaviour that has sent air cooled motors to the moon. Have you seen Specialist cars of Malton? They put the prices up nearly everyday by 1000's. We called the guy to find out what was going on, dealer said it was a "running joke" his words.... [X(] My brother is not on any forums so he cannot comment here. Those cars you note were the initial advertised prices albeit reduced for a sale. Not my tactics. Quite prepared to leave the forum over this if my integrity is in question which would be a shame (for me) as I like it here and have met many nice folks.
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