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944 Register Dyno Day 7th May 2005


ORIGINAL: Big Dave UK

Hey Folks
Glad you all had a good day...]

just out of interest..

What was the highest BHP recorded for an S2 + what had it had done to it.??? Just curious...

Chris r...
Were you in or around Blackpool on Friday mid AM...??
If so i saw you .. i was in a Horizon Blue 968 cab....Skipool roundabout..????

Hiya Dave - wow yep that was me - I pick my daughter up from Thornton - Cleveleys a couple of times a week ,and I was distracted and saw your 968 just as you passed me - sorry didnt mean to be rude I would always acknowledge a front engined Porsche . Just past the River Wyre I passed a 968 Sport in Red - remember thinking 2 968's in about a mile. Your car looked spot on ( from what I saw [:D] )

The highest S2 as Fen stated was 208 unmodified - mine returned 200 which with reflection is ok.
 

ORIGINAL: berg944

If anybody has tried a GTECH performance meter, I would be interested to know how the results compare to the dyno?

Mike

Mike, I've got a G-TECH RR in the turbot (you should have seen it on the windscreen last weekend !).

After an extensive dyno session with Chris & Allen on Thursday night, I had a very accurate power plot sitting on the passenger seat. On the way home, I adjusted the fuelling on some of the mid cells that affect light throttle, but not power curve.

Fortunately, the roads were empty by 1am on the way home, so I took the liberty of doing a full 3rd gear power run (doesn't take long or a lot of distance) on an un-named [;)] length of road that I know to be absoloutely straight and level. The rear wheel power figures produced on the G-TECH were within 2% of the figure recorded earlier in the evening on the Weltmeister dyno. I conclude that the G-TECH is sufficiently accurate for most purposes !

Incidently, that was exactly the same section of road and similar temperature conditions that produced the graph on my website HERE that showed nearly 300 BHP at the rear wheels before I modified the car. Since then, the MAP computer has not alloed a proper fuel curve and is causing all kinds of problems, but that's another story [;)]

So the quick answer is YES - recommended as tested.
 
Chris
Your car looked SWEET ...
Does it have some "17" cup3,s " on it.???

I only gathered it could be you as i saw the K plate,,,,+ there aint many around.....
 
Man what a busy Porschering weekend!

I've just got back from the R10 display at the Stoke Goldington Steam Rally, and combined with getting in at 8pm

You light weight Smith!

Up at 6:30 yesterday, and out of the house within 15 minutes (alarm failed to go off) got back home at about 10:30 pm.
Out of the house at 6:00 this morning for the Cotswold Rally and back at 8:30 pm.

Two great days of Porschering indeed. Again, a big thank you to all involved.

BTW - nice to see Phil here on the Forum. Welcome [;)]
 
A new tag line for Rick?


It's just like the darkside of the force this modding lark - as master Yoda once said: "Once you go down that path, forever will it dominate your destiny!"

Taken fron one of Sawood's posts else where.


 
I've now uploaded some of the pictures HERE

The data is also up HERE

Not complete yet because I'm missing some dyno graphs (please can you contact me at rick.cannell@cubicomp.co.uk if your graphs aren't on the list so we can get them uploaded. Also I missed a couple of noise tests (can't do anything about that now) and milages if you would like them included.

Please check you information in the spreadsheet and inform me of any corrections....

This has been a 'rush' update (It's taken about 12 hours in front of the laptop to get this far) so more info and background information will be added during the next week.

Cheers for now.
 

ORIGINAL: eastendr

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I see you've fitted the 924T badge panel. I thought that was a weld on panel? Is yours welded on, or are they easy to convert to bolt on? I need a new panel for my 924S and like the look of the ventilated one.

cheers ......... Phil
 
(It's taken about 12 hours in front of the laptop to get this far)

Excellent bit of work Mr Cannell - yet again. No doubt this will become the standard reference for Hot '44 s for some time to come. I wonder what the collonials will make of all of this.

Sidestream Racing aside there didn't seem to be many notable results from those with more than a chip and DPW upgrade. [:(] Andrew is in consultation with Danno over the Link MAP kit so, now we all know a little more about it, perhaps we can look to a resolution that wont mean throwing it in the nearest bin and putting the AFM back in.[:(]
 
A nice thing for us to see was the standard unmodified 250 Turbo E64 TEG to actually record 250 on our dyno ! It all helps to validate the accuracy of the machine.

Cheers for now

Allan


[:D][:D][:D]

All on cheap petrol too........................[;)]

To be fair I believe it is all down to the meticulous care by its previous owners and money no object history of the car.

Just shows that its worth the investment in good Porsche specialists. [:D][:D]

Note I was amazed to see only a 19% loss at the wheels. This is a testament (if correct) to Porsche engineering as most cars are 25% ish losses vis transmission etc
 
Was it your car we were looking at with the boost enhancer and the cutting out issue in 4th and 5th? if so not completly standard!
Tony
 
Was it your car we were looking at with the boost enhancer and the cutting out issue in 4th and 5th

Yup

Is a boost enhancer a performance upgrade?

I thought that all it did was bleed a little off so as to keep the turbo spooling at lower revs for better pick up when accelerating.

Does it increase power over standard then?

If so then it is a bog standard engine but with an add on.............[:)]

 

ORIGINAL: Big Dave UK

Chris
Your car looked SWEET ...
Does it have some "17" cup3,s " on it.???

I only gathered it could be you as i saw the K plate,,,,+ there aint many around.....

Dave , sorry for the delay in replying - Ive been ill since the Dyno Day [:-] yeah my car has the 17 cup 3's on it and yeah the K is unusual Ive not heard of another one yet. I must be mistaken but its actually Sunny [8D]
 
If you tweak it far enough though it holds more boost than the wastegate. Mine went noticeably quicker when I did that and I had to run it on Optimax to stop the knock sensor spoling my fun.
 
If it doesnt actually increase boost pressure then it cannot enhance overall performance so my car showed its peak power unmodified as I thought. [;)]

Other r roads I`ve been on show torque also but I`ll have to say that Allan`s was the first Ive seen that took a lot of variables into account in the set up and I assume the `puter therefore exptrapolated the info and gave a more accurate reading.

Dont forget that (despite claims to the contrary) some r roads can be up to 10% out
 
There are many "downhill" Rolling Roads worldwide but without fail a Dyno Dynamics has the most advanced software for extrapolating the actual lbs of tractive effort into flywheel BHP. It does have correction factors allied to a] Air temp in cell b] Inlet temp c] Barometric pressure d] Relative humidity etc. It also has specific running modes including a Porsche specific one, Shoot out mode which is a calibrated accreditation that the operator cannot influence. Look on your graphs and see all runs were done in shoot out and all cars will have had differing IT or AT on them
The DD unit is actually designed to operate on tractive effort but a number such as 1600lbs means nothing up the pub.
However as long as we all remember a RR should be used to set a benchmark number prior to modifications, then again after mods to measure the increase/decrease in performance achieved.

Enjoy the results

Allan
[proud owner of best RR in world]
 
However as long as we all remember a RR should be used to set a benchmark number prior to modifications, then again after mods to measure the increase/decrease in performance achieved.

Morning Allan

Absolutely correct, however I believe your superb bit of kit will dial out the variables better than most so giving more accurate comparisons on different runs.

The only accurate power readings are a direct connection to a known resisitance ie: dyno

 

ORIGINAL: Hilux

If it doesnt actually increase boost pressure then it cannot enhance overall performance so my car showed its peak power unmodified as I thought. [;)]

Other r roads I`ve been on show torque also but I`ll have to say that Allan`s was the first Ive seen that took a lot of variables into account in the set up and I assume the `puter therefore exptrapolated the info and gave a more accurate reading.

Dont forget that (despite claims to the contrary) some r roads can be up to 10% out


I'd say it's a grey area whether or not a BE is a "modification". When I had one I got the car insured with it declared but as unmodified which was great at the time but now I wonder if the car was being inspected because I had crashed it would it have been a problem? Given how keen (to the point of fanaticism in some cases) I've heard subsequently that insurance companies can be to get out of even legitimate claims I bet it would cause a problem, even though I declared it because I said it didn't increase performance beyond the factory figures.

Also, it's adjustable and as I said above it can be tweaked to hold more boost than the wastegate thus increasing maximum boost beyond the standard figure. I know this because I did it. If a totally standard car trips the overboost cutout on decent fuel then there is a fault. If that car has a BE then I think a more likely cause is that it has been set slightly too high. Again I did this myself and I had to run Optimax to stop the car from tripping overboost protection in 3rd and above. It would still trip occasionally in 4th but it was sooooo much quicker that I didn't want to turn it back. Consider also that the ProMax 1a and Guru stage 1 kits have a BE type device as part of the mechanism of increasing the boost.

It doesn't make any difference to me whether your car is modified or not, nor whether a BE is a modification but consider this: It wasn't there from the factory so it is by definition a modification. Nobody would spend £100 on a BE if it did nothing and it's not there to look good, make you more attractive to the opposite sex, make the stereo sound different, increase braking efficiency etc., it is supposed to improve performance. That's the line I believe an insurance assessor would take.

In terms of the RR day I think the only way to claim an unmodified run would be to have removed it. It doesn't matter anyway; 250 is a good figure standard or with £100 of mods on Allan's unflattering (and I don't means that's a bad thing) rolling road. Also your car was very nice so don't think I'm knocking it, but also don't be so sure it isn't increasing overall boost.

Why not spend 10 mins taking it off and running the car to see how different it feels? In my experience on out of the box sertting the BE made next to no difference but when tweaked it was like a different car.
 

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