944 Values
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Northern924
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I'm lucky in that my daily commute is 12 miles, so the cost difference is so small that it makes no difference, although I'm now taking a £20 a week hit in fuel costs driving to gigs at the weekend and the venues are constantly trying to drive our fees down while they put the price of beer up!
I constantly look at PH,E Bay etc looking at prices, and yes they are silly cheap at the moment, i firmly beleive that buyers who are fancying a Porsche see a much newer more modern looking car in the Boxster, which are also very good value at the moment hence the 944 does not get a look in without ever being driven.
Seem to see a lot more 944,s on track now,this may help values long term as trackers will relise how balanced they are and look for them, E30 M3's and Quattros have gone silly in price (don't even mention Ford RS Models)
At the end of the day i love the look of the 944 and the way it drives so it does tick the boxes for me, has not got the sound of the flat six which is a seller for me, have often thought of shifting one of the Turbos for a Boxster S mind you ????????
Let's not forget, the later 944 Turbos were de-tuned by Porsche so as not to steal the flagships thunder !!!
Look after them and hang on to them, they will command better prices................................eventually !
FTITK........................For Those In The Know.........US !
Seem to see a lot more 944,s on track now,this may help values long term as trackers will relise how balanced they are and look for them, E30 M3's and Quattros have gone silly in price (don't even mention Ford RS Models)
At the end of the day i love the look of the 944 and the way it drives so it does tick the boxes for me, has not got the sound of the flat six which is a seller for me, have often thought of shifting one of the Turbos for a Boxster S mind you ????????
Let's not forget, the later 944 Turbos were de-tuned by Porsche so as not to steal the flagships thunder !!!
Look after them and hang on to them, they will command better prices................................eventually !
FTITK........................For Those In The Know.........US !
Rarity will help, I believe there were only 625 Turbo cabs worldwide,
250 1991 turbos
1251 1990 turbos
4103 1989 turbos
4097 1988 turbos (inc 1000 turboS)
15,000 or so 220 turbos
approx 5,000 S2 cabs
approx 6,500 s2's
113000 944
Those are worldwide figures and many will have been lost over the years, probably less than 1/4 in RHD
obviously they wont have been binned as fast as say a mk1 escort which would have been worthless for a while.
Supply will outstrip demand one day.
Tony
250 1991 turbos
1251 1990 turbos
4103 1989 turbos
4097 1988 turbos (inc 1000 turboS)
15,000 or so 220 turbos
approx 5,000 S2 cabs
approx 6,500 s2's
113000 944
Those are worldwide figures and many will have been lost over the years, probably less than 1/4 in RHD
obviously they wont have been binned as fast as say a mk1 escort which would have been worthless for a while.
Supply will outstrip demand one day.
Tony
I agree with all of the points made here. I only bought my S2 as a cheap track day tool so I did not have to hammer my 996 or worry if I stuffed it. It's been interesting to compare the 2 and I've written about that on other threads. All I will say here is that the S2 has wormed its way into my affection to the point that, if I had to keep 1, the S2 would get the nod!
I think the 'base model' thing has some validity, the extreme example being the vast gulf in value now between a cooking 924 and the Carrera GT. Our natural behaviour is to rank things which sometimes means a prefectly good item gets an unusually low ranking. Happens with rock bands too. Look at Supergrass. A prefectly good rock band with great catchy singles but never held in the same affection as contemporaries like Oasis or Blur and now have called it a day in relative obscurity.
My own feeling is that we will see very little change in 944 prices now. 10 years ago when I first got into Porsche ownership, my average '82 Carrera 3.2 cost me 14k. 10 years on, prices are pretty much the same but the numbers available have fallen dramatically. I think the added value of rarity is balanced by the increasing cost of putting a car right so market value remains flat. I don't see why 944 values should behave any differently.
I think the 'base model' thing has some validity, the extreme example being the vast gulf in value now between a cooking 924 and the Carrera GT. Our natural behaviour is to rank things which sometimes means a prefectly good item gets an unusually low ranking. Happens with rock bands too. Look at Supergrass. A prefectly good rock band with great catchy singles but never held in the same affection as contemporaries like Oasis or Blur and now have called it a day in relative obscurity.
My own feeling is that we will see very little change in 944 prices now. 10 years ago when I first got into Porsche ownership, my average '82 Carrera 3.2 cost me 14k. 10 years on, prices are pretty much the same but the numbers available have fallen dramatically. I think the added value of rarity is balanced by the increasing cost of putting a car right so market value remains flat. I don't see why 944 values should behave any differently.
Fat Albert
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The value of the 944 is affected by the cars either side of it chronologically and now the Boxster
The non-car enthusiasts tar it with the 'VW truck engine' image of the 924, whilst the real car sages will rate the 968 as the pinnacle of Porker frontness, those people who just want the badge/image will go for an early Boxster, so the 944 just sits there in the middle...
I have posted on Pistonheads about my opinion on the value of mine, I paid very little for it, it has been to Jupiter and back (and is on its way again) and cosmetically is a little challenged.....Conversely it has been maintained meticulously mechanically and has a thick file of bills to prove it.
As long as it costs me less than the depreciation/interest of a 'normal' car and nothing big goes bang I will hang on for it for the time being, but the big issue I have is whether to spend the cash to swap the seats out for lower mileage/more comfy ones and to refresh the undercarriage as it is not the tautest 944 out there....
If my job goes well this year I could envisage a Riviera Blue 968 Sport sat on the drive.....
The non-car enthusiasts tar it with the 'VW truck engine' image of the 924, whilst the real car sages will rate the 968 as the pinnacle of Porker frontness, those people who just want the badge/image will go for an early Boxster, so the 944 just sits there in the middle...
I have posted on Pistonheads about my opinion on the value of mine, I paid very little for it, it has been to Jupiter and back (and is on its way again) and cosmetically is a little challenged.....Conversely it has been maintained meticulously mechanically and has a thick file of bills to prove it.
As long as it costs me less than the depreciation/interest of a 'normal' car and nothing big goes bang I will hang on for it for the time being, but the big issue I have is whether to spend the cash to swap the seats out for lower mileage/more comfy ones and to refresh the undercarriage as it is not the tautest 944 out there....
If my job goes well this year I could envisage a Riviera Blue 968 Sport sat on the drive.....
MGBV8
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Market value is a funny beast.
Look at summer time last year - 996's had just about fallen to the price of SC's. There was a good 6 months where SC values were pushed down by falling 996 prices. Now SC values seem to have recovered a bit and stabilised again whilst the 996's have continued to fall. I've long said I can see the day where you will be able to pick up a reasonable early 996 for less than 5 grand. The 996 market seems to be bottoming out at mid 7's now.
With respect to 944's, it's just a waiting game until all the rubbish has been broken or crushed. This has happened with MGB's over the last 4 years - all the rubbish has changed hands or been broken and flogged on eBay and now the price of these cars is hardening slightly. A rubber bumper BGT with an MOT is now worth £1500 of anyones money. 4 years ago the same car might only have been worth a grand. Then look at MGC's - Can you even find one worth having for under 10k now? That was top top money 5 years ago.
Personally, I wouldn't worry about market values - if what you want is going cheap then you're the one getting the blinding deal. If values are high, then maybe you'll miss out? Take the Aston Martin DB6 as an example - 5 years ago you could pick up a really nice auto for £35k. Now you're looking at at least £75k - well that's one of those pushed out of my budget!
It is odd that, for example, a 911 SC is worth more than a 944. Having had examples of both I can say hand on heart that I think the SC to be a truely hateful, crappy little car to drive. Yet, the 944 in comparison is much more planted and has a lot more feel. The only thing an SC can hold over a good 944 is top speed and acceleration, yet even that can be attended to with enough time and money.
The main reason that an SC have a higher market value is down to the average bar room expert who will tell you that 911's are awesome and 944's are crap, yet, probably having never driven anything better than a corsa or an astra. It certainly isn't because they are better cars!
Look at summer time last year - 996's had just about fallen to the price of SC's. There was a good 6 months where SC values were pushed down by falling 996 prices. Now SC values seem to have recovered a bit and stabilised again whilst the 996's have continued to fall. I've long said I can see the day where you will be able to pick up a reasonable early 996 for less than 5 grand. The 996 market seems to be bottoming out at mid 7's now.
With respect to 944's, it's just a waiting game until all the rubbish has been broken or crushed. This has happened with MGB's over the last 4 years - all the rubbish has changed hands or been broken and flogged on eBay and now the price of these cars is hardening slightly. A rubber bumper BGT with an MOT is now worth £1500 of anyones money. 4 years ago the same car might only have been worth a grand. Then look at MGC's - Can you even find one worth having for under 10k now? That was top top money 5 years ago.
Personally, I wouldn't worry about market values - if what you want is going cheap then you're the one getting the blinding deal. If values are high, then maybe you'll miss out? Take the Aston Martin DB6 as an example - 5 years ago you could pick up a really nice auto for £35k. Now you're looking at at least £75k - well that's one of those pushed out of my budget!
It is odd that, for example, a 911 SC is worth more than a 944. Having had examples of both I can say hand on heart that I think the SC to be a truely hateful, crappy little car to drive. Yet, the 944 in comparison is much more planted and has a lot more feel. The only thing an SC can hold over a good 944 is top speed and acceleration, yet even that can be attended to with enough time and money.
The main reason that an SC have a higher market value is down to the average bar room expert who will tell you that 911's are awesome and 944's are crap, yet, probably having never driven anything better than a corsa or an astra. It certainly isn't because they are better cars!
It is odd that, for example, a 911 SC is worth more than a 944. Having had examples of both I can say hand on heart that I think the SC to be a truely hateful, crappy little car to drive.
I think thats a bit harsh! Old fashioned yes but hateful? What didn't you like? The talkative steering? The flat six growl? The go-kart handling? The iconic styling?
I agree with you, the 944 is probably a better car in many ways but I don't think that makes a 911 as bad as you say.
I think thats a bit harsh! Old fashioned yes but hateful? What didn't you like? The talkative steering? The flat six growl? The go-kart handling? The iconic styling?
I agree with you, the 944 is probably a better car in many ways but I don't think that makes a 911 as bad as you say.
Interesting this.
Supply and demand, rarity etc all valid.
I bought mine for some fun and yes it would be nice to think it will rise in value but like most things in life, nothings certain.
I have a pre-facelift Capri MK1 1600 GT, all the paperwork etc, gaining value in my garage in bits. 8 years ago when I bought it there would be 10-15 on Ebay every week, now most on there are the top-notch cars or baskets. By the time I finish the welding and all the resto work it will be the only one left!!!!!
We all chose them and we all enjoy them for what they are.
Supply and demand, rarity etc all valid.
I bought mine for some fun and yes it would be nice to think it will rise in value but like most things in life, nothings certain.
I have a pre-facelift Capri MK1 1600 GT, all the paperwork etc, gaining value in my garage in bits. 8 years ago when I bought it there would be 10-15 on Ebay every week, now most on there are the top-notch cars or baskets. By the time I finish the welding and all the resto work it will be the only one left!!!!!
We all chose them and we all enjoy them for what they are.
Neil Haughey
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Not going to disagree with anything said before but IMHO the one out of all the models in this family that will have its value in the future is the 968, in some respects this is already reflected by current values. I know you guys won't like me saying this but its just such a complete car. In fact IMHO to such an extent that even today it makes the 968 a particularly satisfying car even if in the tiptronic form of our one.
Last summer we did a day trip down to Falmouth in the 968, 6 hours driving in total. 2 days earlier I had done the same trip in a brand new Passat hire car whilst on work duties. The 968 amazed me by having only slightly more wind noise and a slightly harsher ride than a bang up to date modern saloon car. Comparing the feel of the controls well there was no comparison, the steering feel in the 968 is first rate the weighting just perfect. The 968 left a huge impression on me that weekend.
The boxster doesn't compare well IMHE, too much noise. If anything the boxster is comparable with the MX-5 as in does one take the car with better performance or the one with lower running costs and bullet proof reliability. Convertibles are a been there and done that thing for us not to be repeated.
Last summer we did a day trip down to Falmouth in the 968, 6 hours driving in total. 2 days earlier I had done the same trip in a brand new Passat hire car whilst on work duties. The 968 amazed me by having only slightly more wind noise and a slightly harsher ride than a bang up to date modern saloon car. Comparing the feel of the controls well there was no comparison, the steering feel in the 968 is first rate the weighting just perfect. The 968 left a huge impression on me that weekend.
The boxster doesn't compare well IMHE, too much noise. If anything the boxster is comparable with the MX-5 as in does one take the car with better performance or the one with lower running costs and bullet proof reliability. Convertibles are a been there and done that thing for us not to be repeated.
The 968 is heavier, even in club sport form (than an S2 - not sure about a turbo) and in my opinion uglier. It also more complex and slower than a Turbo. They were produced in smaller numbers than the 944 though, which will help to maintain their values. I had a choice between a 968 cab and a 944 Turbo cab, the 968 was cheaper, the 944 was in better condition, but even in the same condition, I think I would have gone for the 944,
Tony
Tony
Suffolk944
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I will have to go for a ride in a 968 sometime as I must admit from the outside looking in I just can't see what all the fuss is about in comparison to a 944.
912UK
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I have a saying for the internet..
" The internet alot of content most of which is bo*****s !! "
I had this with the VW forum for the T5 all I read was rubbish about 88ps T5's 1.9TDi in the end I did some home work on this guy posting it, found him on face book turns out to be a 16 year old lad who's main ambishion in life was to own his own T4 one day !!!
but was an expert in 88ps T5's but had never sat in one..! then que the long line of people ( mainly T4 2.4ltr owners ) agreeing with him and again they never driven one!! but on that one forum all the pages say 88ps T5's are rubbish till I lined the facts up.. 18months later none of them have posted a reply to what I posted up about their views as an 88ps owner of 1 and an owner of a 104ps for my works van..
as a 912 owner I had just got plain borded of hearing but it's not a 911 is it.. well done the 12 after the 9 does mean it's not a 9 oh 11 is it.. so as a 944 owner I have just very thick skin and also as with the 12 the car has great + points that I have had the time to understand and if some one else has not but will write that they are rubbish with out being in one then they just bore me.. but I agree the boxster looks a good buy over a 944 but I have to say 2 seats over 4 and spare parts cheaper with a 944 more history with a 944 on line for problems and also less of them over a boxster!!
" The internet alot of content most of which is bo*****s !! "
I had this with the VW forum for the T5 all I read was rubbish about 88ps T5's 1.9TDi in the end I did some home work on this guy posting it, found him on face book turns out to be a 16 year old lad who's main ambishion in life was to own his own T4 one day !!!
but was an expert in 88ps T5's but had never sat in one..! then que the long line of people ( mainly T4 2.4ltr owners ) agreeing with him and again they never driven one!! but on that one forum all the pages say 88ps T5's are rubbish till I lined the facts up.. 18months later none of them have posted a reply to what I posted up about their views as an 88ps owner of 1 and an owner of a 104ps for my works van..
as a 912 owner I had just got plain borded of hearing but it's not a 911 is it.. well done the 12 after the 9 does mean it's not a 9 oh 11 is it.. so as a 944 owner I have just very thick skin and also as with the 12 the car has great + points that I have had the time to understand and if some one else has not but will write that they are rubbish with out being in one then they just bore me.. but I agree the boxster looks a good buy over a 944 but I have to say 2 seats over 4 and spare parts cheaper with a 944 more history with a 944 on line for problems and also less of them over a boxster!!
pixie*porsche
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912 - your car looks lovely [
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I know what you mean about taking some stick lol. It does sometimes get to me, don't suppose I've got much of a "thick skin" !!
] I know what you mean about taking some stick lol. It does sometimes get to me, don't suppose I've got much of a "thick skin" !!
DivineE
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My opinion has changed to the contrary. In my heart I used to think 944 values would reduce to nothing and it'd always be valued only as a great bargain.
I now see that the older it gets, the further it is getting from the competitive, marketing image of the poor man's Porsche. Its being forgotten with time and people seem to be appreciating it as just a classic Porsche. Not only that but one that drives and goes bloody well!
I drove mine out for the first time this weekend since she was resprayed. Not only was I surprised at how good she looked in the sun (I really think the shape has aged well) but I have never had more admiring looks and smiles in any car. Not even in my TVR, which was very popular.
As for the driver, i haven't had more laughs and giggles in a car as far back as i can remember. Even the newly screwed up electrics couldn't spoil my fun. Although I'm annoyed that everything on the car worked before the paint job and now wiring's been stripped out / put back its full of gremlins to find.
I now see that the older it gets, the further it is getting from the competitive, marketing image of the poor man's Porsche. Its being forgotten with time and people seem to be appreciating it as just a classic Porsche. Not only that but one that drives and goes bloody well!
I drove mine out for the first time this weekend since she was resprayed. Not only was I surprised at how good she looked in the sun (I really think the shape has aged well) but I have never had more admiring looks and smiles in any car. Not even in my TVR, which was very popular.
As for the driver, i haven't had more laughs and giggles in a car as far back as i can remember. Even the newly screwed up electrics couldn't spoil my fun. Although I'm annoyed that everything on the car worked before the paint job and now wiring's been stripped out / put back its full of gremlins to find.
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