964 RSR For Sale ... ?

[jason]

ORIGINAL: clubsport

It's going the way of the original 2.7RS, with respect to these RSR's.....

They made 50 odd and there are now 300 left!? []



(reconstructions, copies etc....in case you think my math's is appalling)

I dont think so. There will only ever be 50 originals (less now obviously) and then varying degrees and types of 'reps'....same as with 911R, 911ST, 2.7RS, 2.8RSR, 3.0RS....964RS, 964RS CS, 993RS etc etc etc

Only the original ones with their original VINS will be the factory cars...probably go the way of the original 2.8RSR's...which are over the £1m mark now and climbing...

 

[clubsport]

Jason, I think you missed the irony and smiley in my post...[]

Of course there will not be any more "official" cars, the point being, as values climb, more spurious and wannabe cars are likely to come out of the woodwork.

It's like mining for oil or gold,,,,,,as values climb it is more economically viable to mine/drill....or convert a car! []

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: clubsport

Jason, I think you missed the irony and smiley in my post...[]

LOL yeah they are not very obvious the smileys here and what they mean!! [][][][:'(][][:-][&o][8|][X(][>:][][&:][][8D]

I guess as racing classes open up in the future you will get more reps also, looking to have FIA papers in order to race?

It's the way of the world I guess...when you can't afford an original factory motorport one (not many can)....you get what you can afford if you really want one!

 

[PhilRS]

And even when one can afford one or these cars, they tend to get replicas built (sometimes of their own cars) to go racing.

I have been looking at Group C car recently and (in comparison to our cherished 911s) there are some bargains out there--e.g. Nissan C1 with Le Mans and WSC history for 200+k pounds. C2 cars with same history go for < 170k. Not cheap, but in comparison, RSs and their derivatives are not cheap either. I know, I know our cars are more usable, can be driven to the track and so forth. But if you don't, and drive your car only on the track (as I do) our cars have grown into a price bracket where the competition is at least worth a look. I was reading in Flat6 that their valuation of a perfect 993RS is now 170k euros; a perfect 964RS 100k euros. BTW Andrew Frankel wrote an article on the 961 he test drove at Weissach. Has this been published in his mother tongue somewher, or did F6 have the scoop?

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It's the way of the world I guess...when you can't afford an original factory motorport one (not many can)....you get what you can afford if you really want one!

 

[DSCBoy]

Ok done my research and RSR and RS 3.8s have different VIN sequences... 496*** and 497*** so I'm guessing this is built on an RS VIN or summink...

Do the factory still sell RSR shells if someone snots their racer? And do you have to surrender an old shell to get one like you do with some of the more recent cup cars? Anyone know?

Phil is right... I looked in depth at "alternatives"... and some of the LMP cars are cheap in comparison... BUT the 962's in particular are a total minefield in terms of what was built where... did it ever see the inside of Weissach etc... if you don't believe me, do a search for 962-110... there are 3 of them out there!

Cheers
Rick

 

[clubsport]

That's what I expected with the chassis numbers, that's how I couldn't get my head round somebody borrowing your vin on an RSR.....different vin from a different variant is even more strange?

I thought we had established that these shells were generally sold off, a season after a series has ended who wanted an old model 911 shell that you couldn't race, especially when the option was to buy the sublime 993 variant at the time. []

 

[kasbridge]

I "think" that this one is essentially a reshelled RS so surely it would carry the VIN of the original vehicle - ie an RS VIN?

Forgive me if I am talking b****x of course......

 

[Barty964rst]

Here is another Rep, with the SCoM and the Silver RSR and now this, that 3 RSR 'esque Rep's around.

http://www.germansportscars.net/GB/cars-for-sale/detailview/porsche-911-964-rs/419/

 

[carreraboy]

I had a long chat with the factory special wishes manger ..... he has some allocated chassis numbers, and at a price will do a sanction build, he confirmed there were 10 unused 964RS N-GT M003 Chassis numbers up for grabs. He is getting back to me on cost. You can have any colour, they have all the parts, including a 3,8 RSR engine if you want.

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: Barty964rst

Here is another Rep, with the SCoM and the Silver RSR and now this, that 3 RSR 'esque Rep's around.

http://www.germansportscars.net/GB/cars-for-sale/detailview/porsche-911-964-rs/419/

Lovely wide body in Maritime Blue .... pity they did not give it RS3,8/RSR Performance to match should be pushing at least 360BHP[]

 

[PhilRS]

ORIGINAL: DSCBoy
Phil is right... I looked in depth at "alternatives"... and some of the LMP cars are cheap in comparison... BUT the 962's in particular are a total minefield in terms of what was built where... did it ever see the inside of Weissach etc... if you don't believe me, do a search for 962-110... there are 3 of them out there!

Yes, it is an "interesting" market. Lots of silly money around... [][]

 

[Melv]

S'funny -the 'cheap' 956/962 route looks attractive on the surface, but with a number of lifed components and the necessity for relatively huge support crew and mechanical back-up, and the few places available to really stretch the legs of these cars, costs and opportunity becomes a huge issue!

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

I had a long chat with the factory special wishes manger ..... he has some allocated chassis numbers, and at a price will do a sanction build, he confirmed there were 10 unused 964RS N-GT M003 Chassis numbers up for grabs. He is getting back to me on cost. You can have any colour, they have all the parts, including a 3,8 RSR engine if you want.

Are we taking bets on the 'finished price' ??

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: PhilRS

ORIGINAL: DSCBoy
Phil is right... I looked in depth at "alternatives"... and some of the LMP cars are cheap in comparison... BUT the 962's in particular are a total minefield in terms of what was built where... did it ever see the inside of Weissach etc... if you don't believe me, do a search for 962-110... there are 3 of them out there!

Yes, it is an "interesting" market. Lots of silly money around... [][]

Lots of silly cars too .....

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: jason

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

I had a long chat with the factory special wishes manger ..... he has some allocated chassis numbers, and at a price will do a sanction build, he confirmed there were 10 unused 964RS N-GT M003 Chassis numbers up for grabs. He is getting back to me on cost. You can have any colour, they have all the parts, including a 3,8 RSR engine if you want.

Are we taking bets on the 'finished price' ??

138,000 euro metallic paint 2,000 euro extra and 3,8 RS engine another 15,000 euro

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

ORIGINAL: jason

ORIGINAL: carreraboy

I had a long chat with the factory special wishes manger ..... he has some allocated chassis numbers, and at a price will do a sanction build, he confirmed there were 10 unused 964RS N-GT M003 Chassis numbers up for grabs. He is getting back to me on cost. You can have any colour, they have all the parts, including a 3,8 RSR engine if you want.

Are we taking bets on the 'finished price' ??

138,000 euro metallic paint 2,000 euro extra and 3,8 RS engine another 15,000 euro

Sorry plus local car tax ... VAT and delivery!

 

[jason]

So say 180,000 euro all in for a brand new NGT?

You got a contact for the special wishes manager Des? Pm me

 

[964rsdatabase]

The car's shell number is 043 0020 but i don't have a VIN - sorry. []

 

[PhilRS]

Would not necessarily opt for the Porsche route. It would not be "cheap'." But Corsworth DFL, 750kg, 500+ bhp, and races in UK and continent? As i said, not cheap, certainly more $$$ than 964/993 cups, but a Group C C2 car is not as expensive to buy/rebuild/support as turbocharged C1. Am looking into it.

ORIGINAL: Melv

S'funny -the 'cheap' 956/962 route looks attractive on the surface, but with a number of lifed components and the necessity for relatively huge support crew and mechanical back-up, and the few places available to really stretch the legs of these cars, costs and opportunity becomes a huge issue!

 

[Hacki]

ORIGINAL: PhilRS

Would not necessarily opt for the Porsche route. It would not be "cheap'." But Corsworth DFL, 750kg, 500+ bhp, and races in UK and continent? As i said, not cheap, certainly more $$$ than 964/993 cups, but a Group C C2 car is not as expensive to buy/rebuild/support as turbocharged C1. Am looking into it.

ORIGINAL: Melv

S'funny -the 'cheap' 956/962 route looks attractive on the surface, but with a number of lifed components and the necessity for relatively huge support crew and mechanical back-up, and the few places available to really stretch the legs of these cars, costs and opportunity becomes a huge issue!

I spoke to an expert yesterday, he said that a well prepared 962 is the way to go if you want to drive it on track. More expensive to buy one, but then you have about 50 hrs, which is way more than the Cossie will do. The problem will be to find a proper one, no doubt, a good one will be in the seven digits or at least close. (EURO) For an investment the 956 seems to be the better car - an original one will prob be easier to find than a good 962.
Ref. lifed components: That is def. an issue - and dangerous. Without absolute expert knowledge it´s impossible to buy the right car and also impossible to run it safely. The cars need to be driven and maintenanced regularly.

It looks as if more people are attracted by the Group C cars, prices seem to rise. One car just went to Germany, the new owner wants to use it on track. Anyway, for the running cost of a few trackdays and events you´ll get a 964 RS, so it helps to be a wealthy man.

On the other hand, these are dream cars and seriously fast - it´s a racecar, Jim, but not as we know it..... those having seen them on track at full song know, what I mean.


Regards,

Hacki