ORIGINAL: jason
So say 180,000 euro all in for a brand new NGT?
You got a contact for the special wishes manager Des? Pm me
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964 RSR For Sale ... ?
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No magnesiums .... [&o]
PhilRS
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Agreed and, in this league (956/962/Sauber), comparison with 964/993 values/costs becomes irrelevant.
The context of my comparison was lower league C1s (e.g. Spice or Nissan) and C2s (e.g. Spice again, Tiga). For example, a track ready Tigas (meaning fully rebuilt Corsworth DFL and crack-tested), with Le Mans and WSC history, cost < 140k pounds.
As much as I like my racing 911s, they have recently entered into a price territory where the racing car competition is in my view definitely worth a close look.
And I am of course looking into this with proper experts (both racing outfits and owners of same cars who race them). Though higher than a racing aircooled, the costs do not appear to be that different to those of a sequential gearbox GT3 Cup.
The context of my comparison was lower league C1s (e.g. Spice or Nissan) and C2s (e.g. Spice again, Tiga). For example, a track ready Tigas (meaning fully rebuilt Corsworth DFL and crack-tested), with Le Mans and WSC history, cost < 140k pounds.
As much as I like my racing 911s, they have recently entered into a price territory where the racing car competition is in my view definitely worth a close look.
And I am of course looking into this with proper experts (both racing outfits and owners of same cars who race them). Though higher than a racing aircooled, the costs do not appear to be that different to those of a sequential gearbox GT3 Cup.
or even RS Shell?
DSCBoy
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Point of my question is that it could massively affect value of a N-GT or Cup if you can't replace the shell if it's wrecked... now clearly it would hurt the value to a degree anyway not being original, but if you can't risk them on track then they kinda lose their primary purpose...
Agree ... knowing how the factory works they will send you either a C4/2 non sunroof shell. Rumour and only rumour some C2 non sunroof cars particularly the late 93/93 RS America cars were built on 964RS Shells as they were an over supply to actual build ... so if you have a late registered 964 coupe non sunroof start feeling the welds and arches .....
If they did! And you did have one of these shells. What would it be? RS or a Rep or a Rumour of an RS/Rep? If it was a late model with a sunroof, could this be an RS Touring Shell. This bombshell could mean most C2 /C4's are indeed an RS base, making a real C2/C4 in the correct shell the rarer more valuable beast. It's time to ditch the RS's and get the more desirable models for sure - Cheers Des!
think its time to buy a tip cab ..... wide body in rubystone
Where are these cars, Des?
Auto Trader in dealerships up north to middle England in very ropey garages ... have to be lucky to find one in the columns these days ... or the Sheffield Gazette ... or other free thru the door papers ...
DSCBoy
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Ok... so next question... if they did supply you with a C2/4 non sunroof shell, how much work is involved in making it into a cup shell?
Clearly the big issue is if it doesn't come with the integral cage you are never going to get it right I imagine?
Still think the Cup/N-GT's are going to lose their primary purpose on this basis...
Clearly the big issue is if it doesn't come with the integral cage you are never going to get it right I imagine?
Still think the Cup/N-GT's are going to lose their primary purpose on this basis...
Clearly matter do not exist anymore so either the factory has a limited number of shells from the past, which I think would be vastly expensive or you get a replica matter built but will not be original, so immediately lose provenance from the start.
So this brings me FULL CIRCLE with my CUP/N-GT thread given now we agree a RS Carpet will be easier to replace if you snot it and the CUP/N-GT built in far more limited numbers and harder to reshell giving the demise of matter then these are surely the long term collectors vision. Agreed they are not ideal road cars, so argument then being, why not buy a fully comfortable think pile carpeted C2/4 with all the accessories ..... or is the RS Carpet seen as the ideal half way house to the hardcore beast
So if I understand your last sentence "CUP/N-GT losing there primary status" due to a lack of original shells then bring it on as any collector will know limited rarity will add interest. Or have I got this wrong ....[:-]
DSCBoy
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Des,
I meant if you are buying a car that's too hard for the road... it's primarily a track car... but if you can't replace the shell if you snot it then can u risk it on track.
BUT since I can't think of many other 25+yr old cars you can replace the shells on easily it's a bit mute.
How different are the C2/C4 non-sunroof shells? Could a decent welder make one look good enough to fool the majority of people? Or is there different thickness metal used?
What are the major differences? And did they come from a different number range Martin? (keeper of the codes)
I meant if you are buying a car that's too hard for the road... it's primarily a track car... but if you can't replace the shell if you snot it then can u risk it on track.
BUT since I can't think of many other 25+yr old cars you can replace the shells on easily it's a bit mute.
How different are the C2/C4 non-sunroof shells? Could a decent welder make one look good enough to fool the majority of people? Or is there different thickness metal used?
What are the major differences? And did they come from a different number range Martin? (keeper of the codes)
To answer your question easier to replicate a RS Carpet shell from a C/4 few welds round the rear seating area suspension turrets and some general seam weld with front compartment jig a jig ... still not original. To try and replicate the CUP/N-GT much much harder all above plus the massive Matter Boy .... non original. Safely say there are no factory Matter caged shells out there ... the Species is dead, like the DoDo bird and Tasmanian Devil .... no more, deceased ... and in the limited numbers these cars were made ultimately worth more ..... best try and find one with an original cage[]
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964rsdatabase
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RS VINs in a different range from C2/4.
Still not sure i'm following all this. [>:]
Still not sure i'm following all this. [>:]
Vins yes talking shells unless the shell sequence is co -ordinated with the vins and vice versa not withstanding the latter and foregoing .....
I think I am starting to understand where this is going.......
As the number of cars built up from shells made available by the factory is most likely less than the number of bona fide RS & NGT cars made, the rarity and exclusivity of such "shelled" cars makes them worth more than factory built cars.
They are are in fact so valuable, they should not be driven, but put up for sale at specialist dealers at a high price until the Porsche buying proletariat realise the value of such exclusivity and purchase them.
Am I close or even warm...? []
As the number of cars built up from shells made available by the factory is most likely less than the number of bona fide RS & NGT cars made, the rarity and exclusivity of such "shelled" cars makes them worth more than factory built cars.
They are are in fact so valuable, they should not be driven, but put up for sale at specialist dealers at a high price until the Porsche buying proletariat realise the value of such exclusivity and purchase them.
Am I close or even warm...? [
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Not even near .... point here is so simple if PORSCHE build a CUP/N-GT then that is what it is .... if it then gets SNOTTED then your are basically f**ked .... there preaches the word of Leicthbau ....
Not so sure.....That would have to be a serious impact to damage the caged shell to such an extent.
As these things are worth more, then more expense to repair them is justified.
Look at early cars that rotted away, the days of the £5-8k 2.4E in the Exchange and Mart are long gone,,,,,we have got to the point where those that had whale tales and body kits fitted can be viably returned to their former glory, mainly due to their current values.
Plus 9M & Mr Littlejohn can make you a pattern Matter copy cage.
The guys that race in historics with their genuine RSR, many of them appear to have a £100k simulation that gets driven.......as values rise the game changes.
Back in the day of a £20k 964RS (px allowed on 964RS against my 993 for previous owner), even if a shell was available, it, may not have been economical to reshell.
As I mentioned before,,,drilling for oil/Gold etc...becomes more viable as the value of the commodity increases.....air cooled are no different in this respect.
As these things are worth more, then more expense to repair them is justified.
Look at early cars that rotted away, the days of the £5-8k 2.4E in the Exchange and Mart are long gone,,,,,we have got to the point where those that had whale tales and body kits fitted can be viably returned to their former glory, mainly due to their current values.
Plus 9M & Mr Littlejohn can make you a pattern Matter copy cage.
The guys that race in historics with their genuine RSR, many of them appear to have a £100k simulation that gets driven.......as values rise the game changes.
Back in the day of a £20k 964RS (px allowed on 964RS against my 993 for previous owner), even if a shell was available, it, may not have been economical to reshell.
As I mentioned before,,,drilling for oil/Gold etc...becomes more viable as the value of the commodity increases.....air cooled are no different in this respect.
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