964 RSR For Sale ... ?

[DSCBoy]

I know where I can find an original RS C/S shell... with cage. Unused. As new. The Grail? The Last Dodo? Des?
Bloke wants a LOT of cash for it.... But was debating whether it would be an interesting investment...

IT's right to say you'd have to have an enormous impact to tub a matter caged shell though. Pretty much always going to be repairable.

And if it really is just a case of a few welds... and cage can be copied...

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: clubsport

Not so sure.....That would have to be a serious impact to damage the caged shell to such an extent.

As these things are worth more, then more expense to repair them is justified.

Look at early cars that rotted away, the days of the £5-8k 2.4E in the Exchange and Mart are long gone,,,,,we have got to the point where those that had whale tales and body kits fitted can be viably returned to their former glory, mainly due to their current values.

Plus 9M & Mr Littlejohn can make you a pattern Matter copy cage.

The guys that race in historics with their genuine RSR, many of them appear to have a £100k simulation that gets driven.......as values rise the game changes.

Back in the day of a £20k 964RS (px allowed on 964RS against my 993 for previous owner), even if a shell was available, it, may not have been economical to reshell.

As I mentioned before,,,drilling for oil/Gold etc...becomes more viable as the value of the commodity increases.....air cooled are no different in this respect.

This is my entire point .... they don't make them anymore .... Clubmesiter []

 

[clubsport]

How much do you think it costs to make a cage that looks like a Matter?

When you can buy a tired 964 for £15k......how much would it cost to convert the shell to RS or NGT spec....Compare that to the value of a genuine car.

The hardest part would probably be to make the quality of the welding look as average as it does on the original and then paint it so that primer shows through here and there. []

It's all down to chassis number and factory build, it's not about being able to re-manufacture a cage any more.

Not making them anymore is hardly "news" is it?.......They don't make the 924/986 or 996 anymore either.

The smart money has clearly been in pre impact cars for the last couple of years, quite a few of those have been partly re-manufactured.

 

[clubsport]

ORIGINAL: DSCBoy

I know where I can find an original RS C/S shell... with cage. Unused. As new. The Grail? The Last Dodo? Des?
Bloke wants a LOT of cash for it.... But was debating whether it would be an interesting investment...

IT's right to say you'd have to have an enormous impact to tub a matter caged shell though. Pretty much always going to be repairable.

And if it really is just a case of a few welds... and cage can be copied...

Rick, serious question,,,how do you know the provenance of this shell?

I assume it has a shell number and numbers on the various panels (does it even have panels?), but no chassis vin number?

 

[Laurence Gibbs]

Dang, no popcorn smiley. [8D]

 

[jason]

ORIGINAL: clubsport


The smart money has clearly been in pre impact cars for the last couple of years, quite a few of those have been partly re-manufactured.

and in lots of cases almost entirely remanufactured! With shells that most of us would have crushed!

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: clubsport

How much do you think it costs to make a cage that looks like a Matter?

When you can buy a tired 964 for £15k......how much would it cost to convert the shell to RS or NGT spec....Compare that to the value of a genuine car.

The hardest part would probably be to make the quality of the welding look as average as it does on the original and then paint it so that primer shows through here and there. []

It's all down to chassis number and factory build, it's not about being able to re-manufacture a cage any more.

Not making them anymore is hardly "news" is it?.......They don't make the 924/986 or 996 anymore either.

The smart money has clearly been in pre impact cars for the last couple of years, quite a few of those have been partly re-manufactured.

Square base weld plate denotes Cup Cage

Angled base weld plate denotes N-GT

 

[clubsport]

ORIGINAL: jason

ORIGINAL: clubsport


The smart money has clearly been in pre impact cars for the last couple of years, quite a few of those have been partly re-manufactured.

and in lots of cases almost entirely remanufactured! With shells that most of us would have crushed!

Exactly......no doubt there are cars being remanufactured now....to be left in barns, yet to be discovered! []

(maybe not though?)

 

[carreraboy]

There was a rare barn find in Queensland on a sheep farm last year .... an original RHD 911 2.4S that had been forgooten with factory paperwork spec and bill of sale in the love box it had a factory rear bolt in cage and sports suspension with fire extinghuiser factory uprated engine to 212 BHP all listed on build sheet in tangerine ... 70,000 AUD resto! ANother 40,00AUD ON ENGINE ETC ...

 

[964rsdatabase]

Would be interested to know the shell number. Maybe we can tie it up to a VIN. []

 

[carreraboy]

If I send you my shell number maybe you could tell me which cup car ..... vin

 

[DSCBoy]

Shell is brand new. Bought from Porsche at the end of the 964 Cup series. I've seen the shell and the paperwork (although described as a clubsport shell rather than a cup one, Des is there any real difference? Sober answer would be nice)... it's the real McCoy (esp given I know and trust guy selling it). No panels. Just a shell with integral cage. BUT stupid money in my opinion... as we discussed, people just are mega unlikely to have a shunt so huge that it requires a full new shell in these cars nowadays.

 

[964rsdatabase]

Des ... go for it. [8|]

 

[jason]

It would be nice if you could tie mine up to a VIN [][][]

 

[964rsdatabase]

I know your shell ends in **31. []

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: jason

It would be nice if you could tie mine up to a VIN [][][]

Like looking for one's lost parents .....[]

 

[jason]

Mine has no parents.

It is the ba$tard child of the devil!!!

 

[carreraboy]

Mine was adopted by a kind Porsche loving family, rescuing the Chassis from German Carrera Cup winner Owe Alzen (1992 Carrera Cup Winner) in 1993 and given a new life and more powerful heart with better legs .....[]

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: 964rsdatabase

I know your shell ends in **31. []

Do you have my shell number Martin?

 

[carreraboy]

ORIGINAL: DSCBoy

Shell is brand new. Bought from Porsche at the end of the 964 Cup series. I've seen the shell and the paperwork (although described as a clubsport shell rather than a cup one, Des is there any real difference? Sober answer would be nice)... it's the real McCoy (esp given I know and trust guy selling it). No panels. Just a shell with integral cage. BUT stupid money in my opinion... as we discussed, people just are mega unlikely to have a shunt so huge that it requires a full new shell in these cars nowadays.

There is a small difference in the base cage welds for some reason the Clubsport cage is FiA approved and Cup shell not tested to FiA although same as Carrera Cup was closed series.