Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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Wow! is it that long ago ,my 987 is now 10 years young this month bought it in March 2013 with 1.400 miles on it about to hit 14.000
A huge thanks to Robert for starting this the longest thread on the forum and to all who have contributed to it over the years and hope it continues for years to come .
A huge thanks to Robert for starting this the longest thread on the forum and to all who have contributed to it over the years and hope it continues for years to come . 
Team work Brian and I thank you as a founder team playerkitchens said:Wow! is it that long ago ,my 987 is now 10 years young this month bought it in March 2013 with 1.400 miles on it about to hit 14.000
ted walker
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Picked up my new 718 Spyder last week from OPC Bristol.Cant beleive how good it is from the other 2 versions I have owned.
MrDemon said:kitchens said:ted walker said:
I know you have only had it a week and have to run it in ..but what makes it so different after owning the other two ,cant be the howl the 981 gives off
Maybe he likes the way he can just leave it in 2nd gear till 89mph. [8D]
Now guys, the man is happy with his car and you CAN tell improvements straight away.
1, The steering is a big improvement, lots more feel and more precision.
2, Even though the engine is not yet run in you have quite a lot more torque, pull from low down.
3, The chassis is noticeably better in the GT4 so it must be in the Spyder as that started from a lower base.
Once you have a few miles on the car the engine will also stand out as a major improvement
The downside as we all know is sound, it just does not sound anywhere near as good.
Also the attitude of Porsche if you fit an aftermarket exhaust to warranty.
Just my opinion but I think overall it is better in most respects but in the Porsche way by small increments.
Ain't that the case with most new Porsche models the sound with the petrol exhaust filter
the same for the 4 pot range something we get used to just gotta except it's a different sound.[]
the same for the 4 pot range something we get used to just gotta except it's a different sound.[
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kitchens said:
Agree it's not better just different. better on track though if that's your bag. but worse on the road as the long gearing shows it's head even more in the 4.0 due to the higher rev limit :-(
Low down torque , who cares, it's a GT product with a high reving engine, just change gear !!!! o wait you cannot you are still stuck in 2nd lol
for the road nothing beats a 987, it's all the fun you can ask for and more which a great 3.4 dfi engine which revs to redline as good as any other if not better than the 3.8.
718 Spyder not ideal on the road, over sized CUP tyres, LOADS of road noise 89mph in 2nd, electric steering, shit roof etc etc none of that is better !
people buy these cars and offload them as road cars, daft roof , daft gearbox, daft tyres , noisy inside etc etc not as people expected and quite a lot for sale atm.
Hype and values drives the sales, overs then kicks in and buyers offload. And since the GTS 4.0 Boxster came out that IS a much better road car to actually use the car.
If you want to try the track and have £100k you buy the 718 and if you want the looks and sound and cannot afford a 718 you buy the 981 which sadly comes last out the 3, more the lifestyle choice out the 3, but still a great car as Porsche don't make a bad car really. (great project car though the 981), give it 420bhp and spend £6k on a new gear box be a wonderful little car on it's smaller road bias tyres.
If you want a fun toy for weekends you buy the 987.2 So there is a Spyder for every one
no bad choice, but a lass people DO buy the wrong car for them for the WRONG reasons. the newer GTS 4.0 really does it all. NOT that you can buy one of those either !!!
Only recently got my Spyder….after a long line of 911’s, Cayman R, 981 GTS, a couple of Lotus, a TVR and a few Italians along the way…
For me, it’s just about perfect, right size, right amount of power, light and nimble…
The only thing I can’t understand is why I’d not tried one before!
This one’s going to be a keeper I think
For me, it’s just about perfect, right size, right amount of power, light and nimble…
The only thing I can’t understand is why I’d not tried one before!
This one’s going to be a keeper I think
I post the following from Rennlist as I think it pretty much hits the nail on the head and the guy has owned both 981 & 718 as I can definitely i.d. with the road side of things and can accept on track 718 would be the must have version of all 3MrDemon said:If you want to try the track and have £100k you buy the 718 and if you want the looks and sound and cannot afford a 718 you buy the 981 which sadly comes last out the 3, more the lifestyle choice out the 3, but still a great car as Porsche don't make a bad car really. (great project car though the 981), give it 420bhp and spend £6k on a new gear box be a wonderful little car on it's smaller road bias tyres.
If you want a fun toy for weekends you buy the 987.2 So there is a Spyder for every one
Fast forward to circa 10m for his summary [link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3cUd5QhEkA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3cUd5QhEkA[/link]
[font="comic sans ms,sans-serif"]I can ramble on this for hours, but if you’re looking for more of an adjustable track car you can put the top down on (and don’t mind the extra 20k in price) 718 it is. If you want a brilliantly fun car on the street that sounds vicious without dropping a penny, 981 is probably more right for you.[/font] [font="comic sans ms,sans-serif"]In regards to power, the 981 Spyder has more useable power down low (less than 3500 RPM). I’m not talking dynos here, and someone will probably beat me up, but for seat of the pants, roll on acceleration. I would love to see someone line up the 2 in a drag race.[/font] [font="comic sans ms,sans-serif"]I honestly feel like the 718 Spyder feels underpowered, but there’s like a 200-300 pound difference, I believe. I describe the 718 like it’s ‘held back’, almost purposely restricted, where I felt the 981 was always saying ‘let’s go, let’s go, come on, wring me out’.[/font]
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… I describe the 718 like it’s ‘held back’, almost purposely restricted, where I felt the 981 was always saying ‘let’s go, let’s go, come on, wring me out’.
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I find this odd, if any engine was held back it was the 981 GT4 and Spyder more so. The engine was restricted on the intake side and carried conservative ECU mapping. An easy 30/40 additional hp can be gained with a much stronger top end with intake/ECU/cats changes. My old 3.8L engined Cayman S demonstrated this engine performance difference v stock GT4s.
The 718 4.0L has better torque and top end than the 981 3.8L.
All from my experience of course.
… I describe the 718 like it’s ‘held back’, almost purposely restricted, where I felt the 981 was always saying ‘let’s go, let’s go, come on, wring me out’.
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I find this odd, if any engine was held back it was the 981 GT4 and Spyder more so. The engine was restricted on the intake side and carried conservative ECU mapping. An easy 30/40 additional hp can be gained with a much stronger top end with intake/ECU/cats changes. My old 3.8L engined Cayman S demonstrated this engine performance difference v stock GT4s.
The 718 4.0L has better torque and top end than the 981 3.8L.
All from my experience of course.
ralphmusic said:
this the 3.8 is detuned, bolt on get you 420bhp that is unheard of from a NA engine with 365hp.
the 4.0 is held back also due to the 911 and gear box, the 4.0 can do 500 BHP. lets see what the GT4 RS brings in week 46.
even the GT3 is held back a bit, engine tested at 600bhp plus no issues and remaps are getting 550 from it now.
issue is the 981.718 are all torque limted to 420NM and long geared so all of them feel under powered due to those 2 things.
MrDemon said:
...and of course the 987.2 engine was 350hp in the Carrera and 370hp in Cayman/Boxster with intake, exhaust and tune. Plus ça change..
the 987 feels faster though due to over all gearing and being lighter circa 74 mph in 2nd.
No torque limit to worry about and the 3.4 revs out really nice, peach of an engine.
no need to add TB or intakes the oem flows enough air in to the smaller 3.4, I get 350BHp+ just with 200 cel manifolds.
1245kg and 355bhp is a nice bhp/ton figure for a road car, add to that BIG brakes and it's great every where.
No torque limit to worry about and the 3.4 revs out really nice, peach of an engine.
no need to add TB or intakes the oem flows enough air in to the smaller 3.4, I get 350BHp+ just with 200 cel manifolds.
1245kg and 355bhp is a nice bhp/ton figure for a road car, add to that BIG brakes and it's great every where.
ralphmusic said:
Got to agree with you Ralph and totally disagree with the other statement and I've owned both !
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