Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
- Thread starter daro911
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I do like to pop into this thread, purely for amusement. Drive a Spyder to a weigh bridge, with fuel, oil and daily clutter inside the car.....funny feeling you are looking at a real world 1300kg. It's a road car, you need some weight and decent damping. Ever driven a Caterham superlight over a bumpy B road? Chances are a Spyder might well be more fun at speed. Which is reasonable and fair enough, but getting excited about being a lightweight sportscar that is going to instantly appreciate?...... Keep it up lads it's a scream! [
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]spyderwhite
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pdk is a personal choice and shouldn't be used in the weight argument.i was not talking about wheels and chairs but most of the standard manual spyders that may or may not have extras like pcm, a/c,radio etc.Radio and a/c adds backin15kg which in the light of things is not a lot.as for sportseats which are personal choice again and they add 15kg which is not a massive amount and would not be noticed on the road(but not all spyders have them) so we are up 30kg (with the sportseats)more than your low fat/diet version.as I have said before the spyder should be fitted with spyder wheels.
70kgs, fighting weight My past fun cars have been GT3, NOble 3r, CSL, Ohlins shod Exige. I have cars to compare the Spyder with, and I just want it to be the best it can be, hence the geo tweeks etc, lets face it not many of these car are used every day, they are 2nd cars for most. the geo will make the car better than any weight saving, And I say to any one do the camber and toe on your cars. my other post was just proving that even though the 4C is only 900kgs with the right staring point your Spyder can have a better power /weight than one which is pretty amazing imo.ORIGINAL: billy1 For all we know Mr Demon is a massive chubster and needs all the weight saving just to get his "real world" driver+car weight to the level of a "bus" Spyder.[
spyderwhite
Member
to me what makes the spyder appealing is the sum of its parts not the sum of its weight and the fact it drives very well too.plus mr average thinks its a £100k supercar! which mr clubsport is the appeal of your 911cs which is the same ethos as the caymanR and spyder.take a regular 1986 911 strip it out give it some nice wheels and buckets,some sports suspension an extra 10hp and charge customers more.i think the appeal of 911sc is that its the best looking 80s Porsche so I can see why values climbedbut it does help that there were only circa 350 made
I had a 135R even way before Lotus built the 135R ;-) Custom built Lotus motorsport dept car number 8 ;-) but with 145 BHP not 135. Spyder would eat that car no problem, I still do track days with the Lotus club and a Elise is nowhere close to the SPyder in terms of track performance. Not much Torque in the Elise so poor Torque to weight ratio. a lap in it vs a M3 http://www.s2elise.co.uk/vids/madm3.WMV
must have been to see Dave Andrews then for a tweek. the Honda Elise cars are silly fast even more so when they also add the SC. Have a fast lap in my TTRS with 420lb/ft torque lol 1st lap is a warm up for the timed flying lap, very very fast car 40-60 mph in 1.2 seconds 0-100mph in 8.5 seconds. lol was a bit of fun but lacked any great dynamics for driving. The straight line performance made up for that though. I have a faster lap posted in my boxster Spyder though with crap tyres and bad geo lol keep meaning to go back now the geo is better and r spec tyres. http://youtu.be/YUipUmVuX1EORIGINAL: Fire_2 My friends has a 165bhp according to an old dyno print out! Will have to drag him up surryrollingroad thou! Pretty nippy upto 100mph due to the gearing. But since getting the spyder he's looking at the Honda k20 swap
Siy
New member
ok - heres a question... I am a massive manual fan - my F430 was even a manual... For the Spyder , it was the one option that I was genuinely happy enough to go either way on - the spec car that I wanted came up, and it was a PDK. Now I am not gonna do the old ' this is what I have got , so its the best' - like I say, I am a fan of manuals. However .... In this 'debate' over weight vs speed.... May I make a point - and I have no evidence - just my gut feeling... The PDK albeit heavier - is (or at least felt) quicker than the manual... (it should I suppose because of the speed of the change - after all that's why it was developed..) So - can anyone say what is likely to be the quicker... in the same spec... pdk which ways more but changes quicker (launch control etc) or manual even with a short dshift which is lighter, but gonna be fractionally slower to change gears. Both on the twisties and on the 0-100 sprint Just curious!
If I had to pick i'd say 987 PDK was faster when on a charge; those quick shifts with the throttle remaining open throughout, the average man couldn't beat that could they? In normal mode I found 987 PDK a little bit not as how I would like. But when pre-prepped with the Sport Plus button it'd be faster than me in a manual for sure.
When I drove my brother PDK Spyder back to back with my short shift I concluded that whilst I went a lot quicker in the PDK car I was also feeling far less involved just flapping the paddles. My gut feeling was because I had so little to actually do despite being in manual pdk mode I could go a lot fast easier than doing a clutch a fast gear change manually Without doubt around the PEC the pdk is the far quicker option left in auto mode and leaving me and my limited skill to concentrate staying on track and going as fast and as smoothly as I can manage [
] Again when I asked how come the much heavier PDK is the quicker of the 2 cars in any mode the answer was the extra weight is down so low it has no bearing as proven on the 0-whatever times and we are talking serious extra weight from an 80kg saving[&o] One last thought my OPC salesman who is 100% a pdk convert did say to me if he was buying a 987 it would have to be manual and if he was buying a 981 it could only be pdk Anyone with good experience of Gen 1 v Gen 2 pdk please chuck your at into this ring[]
I've spent some time with both 987 and 981 PDK - probably every possible combination except Cayman S. The system has been refined in the 981 for sure. PDK quicker without a doubt. On the road I tend to end up leaving PDK in sport mode, drive quicker and use more fuel. I would consider buying one but personally prefer my Spyder manual. No right or wrong answer.
kenneth ritchie
New member
Have to agree with above, no right or wrong just just different cars for different drivers. When I was looking for Spyder I would have considered manual or PDK however PDK car turned up and within 10 mins test drive I was sold on it. Would not rule out going back to manual in future but to be PDK makes the car more fun to drive imo and makes you want to drive it faster. I find myself driving faster now (when applicable) than I ever did in my GT3 RS. Kenny Spyder
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