Plus one for your reply Billy. I have owned a series of Boxsters and other Porsche Models over many years. So what attracts me to a new model or looking back to purchase a classic. Well its certainly not performance that is the only factor. Anyone who buys a 356 for performance alone may be somewhat disappointed! Of course people rally and race them but these are in the minority. Why did I buy a Spyder. Well I drove one at PC Nottingham and was with smitten with the performance. However, that was not the original attraction - it was the shape. Lets put it this way. Would You have purchased a car had it looked identical to the 987 Boxster S but had another 50 horses. My emphatic answer is NO! I guess very few people buy for performance alone. You tell me! Its an important factory but I buy on the three S's - Sight, Sound and Speed. Choose the right model for you. I'm not a high speed man - I enjoy a brisk drive now and then in the Spyder but have no intention of thrashing it around a track. It just does not appeal to me. I would much rather take a brisk drive through country lanes on a fine evening. Its fun in the Spyder to do that and its just as much fun to do it in the 356 even if the speed is slower the sensation is similar. Both drives make me grin for ear to ear. So I would not have purchased my Spyder had it had Buckets - (otherwise I would have purchased the Nottingham car I looked at) the right car did come up some six months latter and I did not have to compromise on my must have and nice to have list. I haven't got the WRONG car just because Its got the bits on I wanted - neither is your car WRONG for you if its a featherweight and thats what you wanted! Thats my two pence worth - must dash, off to weight watchers[][]ORIGINAL: billy1And your horrendous attitude rears it's ugly head again. Most people buy for both. It would take a driver far beyond your likely capabilities for the small difference in weight to make any difference. If you really cared about weight get rid of your passenger seat or, even better, buy an ariel atom. Otherwise stop bleating on about something which to 99.9% of people is of no relevance, unlike (say) having a radio.ORIGINAL: MrDemon I guess some buy for looks some buy for performance and driving
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Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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Some great posts chaps. Hopefully it can put to bed the futile question of which is the "right" spec. It varies from person to person. I too was open minded about PDK and still am. I wouldn't necessarily spec it but the best value car for sale when I was looking was a PDK car so I've given it a go. I really like it and it wouldn't be a deal breaker in future. However neither would a manual. The whole "engagement" argument is daft - with the paddles, in manual Sports Plus mode it's plenty engaging enough (and fast too)!
PDK is without doubt faster, I've got it on mine so all of you manual boys bought the wrong car. I've also go the added benefit of loads of toys for a little extra weight and downforce. My polar moment of inertia is also probably higher or is it lower - don't understand it but whatever it is will mean my car is faster than yours and will be worth £85,000 a week on Tuesday if I manage to make this post viral. I'll then bubble wrap it and send it to someone to park in their barn for a western union money transfer and buy a polo bluemotion that I'll send to Dave for a remap and a neon or two, it'll be the dogs and I'll paint it silver as it will ruin the lines. . . . Morning all, just had the oddest dream!
ORIGINAL: VvrooomM PDK is without doubt faster, I've got it on mine so all of you manual boys bought the wrong car. I've also go the added benefit of loads of toys for a little extra weight and downforce. My polar moment of inertia is also probably higher or is it lower - don't understand it but whatever it is will mean my car is faster than yours and will be worth £85,000 a week on Tuesday if I manage to make this post viral. I'll then bubble wrap it and send it to someone to park in their barn for a western union money transfer and buy a polo bluemotion that I'll send to Dave for a remap and a neon or two, it'll be the dogs and I'll paint it silver as it will ruin the lines. . . . Morning all, just had the oddest dream!
kitchens
PCGB Member
Agree ....i bought mine because i liked the overall package shape etc .I originally was going to buy the car at Newcastle a White PDK owned by Eric Clapton but for various reasons walked away from the deal .Four weeks later the Red one came up for sale at the same price with 7K miles less on the clock and 10 months newer . It had a better spec as well ( 2 cup holders) [][] the only thing it was manual and my last 3 Porsche's where all Tiptronic so a compromise on that ,but i soon adapted to it . Like Red John i am no speed merchant and do not intend to do track days . If i where to buy into a new 991 .981 car or whatever the codes will be then i would go down the auto route again . I rarely go through all the gears 1 to 6 usually go from 3rd to 6th as i am at warp speed by then [] It would be a boring world if we all had the same tastes . Off to polish it in readiness for our Concourse event on Sunday have some way to go to beat the shine on Kenny's car.[]
kitchens
PCGB Member
I stand corrected Spyderwhite . I have just received my Certificate of Authenticity for the Spyder and the Production Completion Date is 11/3/2011 with registration date of 28/9/2011 Worth while getting a copy for the history of the car and spec ordered in .ORIGINAL: kitchensNo idea as to build date , my car was specked by the dealers it was registered by them on 28/9/ 2011 with 4 miles on the clock It sat in their showroom for 6 months unsold as it was too expensive over a 987 cost was £58k and being the winter did not sell until May of 2012 . It was sold back to them on 7/5/2013 when i bought it with 1450 miles so it is now 2years old and as such registered as a 2011 on the V5 . It is fully warranted till Sept 2015 . I agree cars can sit in fields for years before being sold and the may have been built in say 2010 but not sold till 2011 but as far as the V5 is concerned it is 2011 and not a 2010 carORIGINAL: spyderwhite kitchens I think you meant your car was ordered sept2010 as production ceased end of june2011.have we finished looking into our crystal balls regarding values?mrdemon your car will be no more or less sort after than any other spyder it will all come down to factory build age and condition although right wheels is a must. imho any late build 987.2/997.2 will hold its value well because if you look into the number of cars built 2009-2011 this was at an all time low a bit like the 993 era.plus they are the last of the non electric steer cars etc and a big improvement over 996/7.1 but with regards to spyder values in 10 years at present a good 2003 986s is circa £10-12k so a 10 year old spyder maybe circa £15-17k all speculation of course.just my 2pence worth bailing out of this one now
lol touchy lot some of you guys. As for it taking a driver far beyond my capabilities, you have no idea who I am or what my capabilities are, !! I could be a race instructor for all you know. So I could say your "horrendous attitude" towards me is far worse than my posts 10 fold and comes across quite aggressive. I would look up what ;-p means after a post as it's all in the detail and can make a post more a joke than real ! As john said when agreeing with you, he does not buy a car for it's performance 1st up, his 1st S was sight his next was sound. And he stated he would not take the car on track. he also stated to quote "Lets put it this way. Would you have purchased a car had it looked identical to the 987 Boxster S but had another 50 horses. My emphatic answer is NO! " Where my answer would be a 100% YES, I would jump at the chance to own a 380 Bhp Cayman or Boxster over my Spyder and would swap it straight away if Porsche made one. So there are clearly 2 types of buyer here, that's a fact and not a "horrendous attitude" just because you may fall into one of the camps I have made (as a joke)and you don't like being label as is your issue it seems. Even if John does not agree with my reasons, he has the balls to say why he bought the car and it's use and I respect that (it's the 100% right car for him), more than you moaning about me giving you a label you don't like lol what else I have noticed regarding all this are the people with PDK box's seem to shout the most at my posts, just an observation lol, it seems you guys are very easy to wind up in with the heavy weight cars. snigger. when you read EVO/Piston Heads etc and look at the cars these people own in real life,( not the cars they are given). most own more driver style cars, ie older manuals. does any jurno even own a Auto gear box car ? prob not. We also have other members here who do Concourse events, which is a great hobby and I also respect that,, def not for me but I can see the enjoyment from it. So there is a right and wrong spec for each owner, you need to be happy in the car you own which is the WRONG spec for me, and mine is the WRONG spec for you, I am 100% happy you thinking my car is the wrong spec car and I am a deluded idiot with a horrendous attitude and little driving capabilities. I would not make any personal judgements about you as I have no idea who you are and have no right to do so .ORIGINAL: billy1And your horrendous attitude rears it's ugly head again. Most people buy for both. It would take a driver far beyond your likely capabilities for the small difference in weight to make any difference. If you really cared about weight get rid of your passenger seat or, even better, buy an ariel atom. Otherwise stop bleating on about something which to 99.9% of people is of no relevance, unlike (say) having a radio.ORIGINAL: MrDemon I guess some buy for looks some buy for performance and driving
kitchens
PCGB Member
Nicely written Mr D .....your piece is non confrontational more than can be said in the previous posts on here [] Some people come across aggressive in what they write ( my way or no way) As you said we all buy cars for different reasons . So before anyone writes any more posts think first is it offensive to others and likely to cause confrontation to the reader ..then don't post it .We are a happy wee band of enthusiasts on here and lets keep it this way . [] Does nothing for our street cred when outsiders see us bickering on the forum. We all want to be around for the 100.000 post Brian
Dismissing other posters opinions, cars or views as "WRONG" is rude, agressive and divisive. It is also utterly unnecessary. Mr D is the perfect example of "my way or no way" - that is the problem. At least Mr D has now accepted that there are different reasons why these cars are bought (which are just as valid - and perhaps more widespread - than his own), and that he is also out to seek to wind people up i.e. being deliberately confrontational. Sorry, a "joke". I say it as I see it - a constant insecure need to "big up" his own opinions and decisions by decrying other posters (whether "joking" or not), presumably in some futile attempt to constantly argue that his car is better and more valuable. It is rather sad.ORIGINAL: kitchens Nicely written Mr D .....your piece is non confrontational more than can be said in the previous posts on here [] Some people come across aggressive in what they write ( my way or no way) As you said we all buy cars for different reasons . So before anyone writes any more posts think first is it offensive to others and likely to cause confrontation to the reader ..then don't post it .We are a happy wee band of enthusiasts on here and lets keep it this way . [] Does nothing for our street cred when outsiders see us bickering on the forum. We all want to be around for the 100.000 post Brian
You can't simply put people into your neat boxes where you're a "real driver" and everyone else with any option fitted that you don't approve is as effectively a poser. As I have already said people buy these cars for a variety of reasons. I enjoy the performance (of course) but I also like the looks. And in a car that is so usable I like having some sensible usable options because I can happily admit that I'm not a good enough driver to truly benefit from the lost weight compared to the benefit of, say, having a radio. You would have to be a very competent driver to be able to make decent use of a difference of 20kgs in a car weighing 1200kgs in the first place, probably beyond the ability of 99% of people. Are you in that 1%? I think "likely" not.ORIGINAL: MrDemonlol touchy lot some of you guys. As for it taking a driver far beyond my capabilities, you have no idea who I am or what my capabilities are, !! I could be a race instructor for all you know. So I could say your "horrendous attitude" towards me is far worse than my posts 10 fold and comes across quite aggressive. I would look up what ;-p means after a post as it's all in the detail and can make a post more a joke than real ! As john said when agreeing with you, he does not buy a car for it's performance 1st up, his 1st S was sight his next was sound. And he stated he would not take the car on track. he also stated to quote "Lets put it this way. Would you have purchased a car had it looked identical to the 987 Boxster S but had another 50 horses. My emphatic answer is NO! " Where my answer would be a 100% YES, I would jump at the chance to own a 380 Bhp Cayman or Boxster over my Spyder and would swap it straight away if Porsche made one. So there are clearly 2 types of buyer here, that's a fact and not a "horrendous attitude" just because you may fall into one of the camps I have made (as a joke)and you don't like being label as is your issue it seems. Even if John does not agree with my reasons, he has the balls to say why he bought the car and it's use and I respect that (it's the 100% right car for him), more than you moaning about me giving you a label you don't like lol what else I have noticed regarding all this are the people with PDK box's seem to shout the most at my posts, just an observation lol, it seems you guys are very easy to wind up in with the heavy weight cars. snigger. when you read EVO/Piston Heads etc and look at the cars these people own in real life,( not the cars they are given). most own more driver style cars, ie older manuals. does any jurno even own a Auto gear box car ? prob not. We also have other members here who do Concourse events, which is a great hobby and I also respect that,, def not for me but I can see the enjoyment from it. So there is a right and wrong spec for each owner, you need to be happy in the car you own which is the WRONG spec for me, and mine is the WRONG spec for you, I am 100% happy you thinking my car is the wrong spec car and I am a deluded idiot with a horrendous attitude and little driving capabilities. I would not make any personal judgements about you as I have no idea who you are and have no right to do so .ORIGINAL: billy1And your horrendous attitude rears it's ugly head again. Most people buy for both. It would take a driver far beyond your likely capabilities for the small difference in weight to make any difference. If you really cared about weight get rid of your passenger seat or, even better, buy an ariel atom. Otherwise stop bleating on about something which to 99.9% of people is of no relevance, unlike (say) having a radio.ORIGINAL: MrDemon I guess some buy for looks some buy for performance and driving
Earlier this week I had this for a couple of days.ORIGINAL: kitchens Just had the Spyder's first service done at 5036 miles and it was Free part of the negotiations when i bought it in May 2013 with 1450 miles on the clock . No advisory points .hand brake was adjusted and that was it . I spoke to the salesman who sold me the car and i was telling him about the following we have on the PCGB forum.He was amazed at the number of hits . He was the one that specked the car when they ordered it in Sept 2011 and i told him he did a good job and ticked all the right boxes . I said some have non Spyder wheels and Sports seats etc he said at one point buckets and wheels where in short supply this may answer why some have what is considered the wrong bits.[] I was given a loan 981 manual Boxster 2.7 with Sport Mode and PSE but have to say was not taken with it .Had Alcantara seats not sports fitted if you think Buckets are firm you should try these the buckets fell like a comfy arm chair in comparison .I did like the gear shift to be fair a lot easier to select than the short shifter . He had 4 inquiries after he sold my car and has people on a list if a car becomes available . Have to say i prefer the Spyder over the car i drove did not like the electric park brake or the stop start mode it suits PDK but not a manual the boot is small also no chance of golf clubs fitting in .
spyderwhite
Member
so your cars last 3 numbers on the vin should be high 800s/900s and one of the last 2011 model years.2012 model year started around may 2011.i have a copy of the original order form"comms" I think its called and says cars arrival date 3/7/11 from memory and the service indicator came on 12/7/13 which is set when the car either leaves factory or when it arrives in the uk and pdi'd. but wouldn't mind one of those Certificates for an actual completion date.how does one obtain one? funny your car had 4 miles as that's exactly how many miles mine had on when registered 14/12/11 and when collected 31/12/11.it must be a circuit of 4 miles when they pdi!ORIGINAL: kitchensI stand corrected Spyderwhite . I have just received my Certificate of Authenticity for the Spyder and the Production Completion Date is 11/3/2011 with registration date of 28/9/2011 Worth while getting a copy for the history of the car and spec ordered in .ORIGINAL: kitchensNo idea as to build date , my car was specked by the dealers it was registered by them on 28/9/ 2011 with 4 miles on the clock It sat in their showroom for 6 months unsold as it was too expensive over a 987 cost was £58k and being the winter did not sell until May of 2012 . It was sold back to them on 7/5/2013 when i bought it with 1450 miles so it is now 2years old and as such registered as a 2011 on the V5 . It is fully warranted till Sept 2015 . I agree cars can sit in fields for years before being sold and the may have been built in say 2010 but not sold till 2011 but as far as the V5 is concerned it is 2011 and not a 2010 carORIGINAL: spyderwhite kitchens I think you meant your car was ordered sept2010 as production ceased end of june2011.have we finished looking into our crystal balls regarding values?mrdemon your car will be no more or less sort after than any other spyder it will all come down to factory build age and condition although right wheels is a must. imho any late build 987.2/997.2 will hold its value well because if you look into the number of cars built 2009-2011 this was at an all time low a bit like the 993 era.plus they are the last of the non electric steer cars etc and a big improvement over 996/7.1 but with regards to spyder values in 10 years at present a good 2003 986s is circa £10-12k so a 10 year old spyder maybe circa £15-17k all speculation of course.just my 2pence worth bailing out of this one now
kitchens
PCGB Member
Spyderwhite i cannot for the love of me remember how i did it . I printed off a form from the forum and filled it in and sent it to Porsche Reading with all the details on it .I waited about 4 weeks for the reply and certificate .It cost you nothing if you are a member ,if not £65 so your membership will cover the cost on its own .Perhaps some one will point you in the right direction . WP no ends in 920 . Strangely enough my service light came on in late July 2 months before the due date so that answers the question Brian
Is there any particular danger or downside to driving with the "top" fitted, but without the rear "scarf"? I can't think of any damage that could be done, obviously it will be a touch noisier!ORIGINAL: flat6 Time to lighten up with a pic[]
Nice review flat6, what was being done to your car? 981 moves the game on in a number of ways. When I get back into my Spyder it is always the ride that I notice first. The radio screen looks like a 1970s black and white telly compared to PCM3. Within 1/2 mile I am back in love and have forgotten the pretender. The steering is in a different league to 981 and makes everything ok again.
The roof is designed to run with the Sun Shield only, or with the Weather Protector in addition should you need it. I.e. the roof so named as a provider of shade in hot places like California that they mention in their ideal Spyder setting. When travelling at speed, the noise is 'better' without the 'rear scarf'. You don't get the wind buffeting around the buttresses. Instead you just get the same airy noise you get with the roof off. From the Brochure: "The new approach of our designers, something that makes the Boxster Spyder even more distinctive, is reflected in the two-piece combination of sun shield and weather protector. No sophisticated electronics, no control motors and, as a result, a weight saving of 21 kg. It’s a hood that protects you from the sun with the windows down, giving you an authentic sense of open-air driving. With the windows closed, it enables you to continue your enjoyment of a pure roadster experience to the full, even on those inclement days."ORIGINAL: billy1 Is there any particular danger or downside to driving with the "top" fitted, but without the rear "scarf"? I can't think of any damage that could be done, obviously it will be a touch noisier!
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