Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock I just checked the currency conversion rates. $75000 is at this moment in time £46528.95. Plus £5k for full PDK experience no doubt! Spyder values will now double overnight! []

ORIGINAL: daro911 Great leak/find  I was told about this coming down the line but is it a limited run before we get the 2015 facelift or is it a permanent additional model   I was also told this GTS is about as close to a Spyder 981 we will see as if there was ever to be another Spyder it would come at the end of the 981 life cycle [&o]   I bet a GTS with sports chassis and the full leather racing buckets would give our Spyders a very good run for it's money[8D]   

In the US a Cayman S costs $63,800 and a Boxster S $62,100, so $75,000 is a considerable premium. I'd like to think or hope that some details are missing and there are some surprises in store. It is plausible to see a GTS model soon, rather than at the end of the 981 cycle http://jalopnik.com/insider-leaks-every-important-upcoming-porsche-reveal-1410845487 but the pictures of the cars in that brochure don't say a lot. For example the picture of the Boxster shows the standard 19" Boxster S wheel. Unlikely to be a GTS. The Carrera GTS has some unique things to go along with the engine power increase. It had the wide body, the only Carrera model with the wide body mated to RWD. It also had centre lock wheels, the only other 997's with centre locks as standard were the turbo S, GT3 & RS and GT2 RS. The Sport Design front apron completed the look. So, what will make a 981 GTS alongside the power increase and what will justify the $75,000 or whatever they will charge in Sterling. There must be more to it. If they put the Sport Chassis on it as standard, not everyone wants a Sport Chassis on a GTS, yes on an 'R' but not a GTS. PASM is more likely, which isn't unique to bring about a newly launched model. Let's see what is in store for the 981 GTS, but if it is a package of standard options bundled into a nice price i'd expect early buyers will be a little disgruntled and i'd be underwhelmed. If it has something unique then it is for sure a separate model justifying a separate name. 15hp extra is the best we could have hoped for and is predictably what the gen 2 981 will get, so if this comes next year, it can only be a good thing and sooner than I expected. A few years ago they brought out a Design Sport Package for the 987. I had a striking red Boxster S on loan, which at the time I didn't know of the Design Sport Package but must have been on that car. It was certainly very eyecatching with the black painted Spyder wheels, black painted side air vents, door mirrors rollover hoops and rear badge, just like the picture below. But purely cosmetic changes do not a GTS make. The 987 Black Editions had cosmetic bundles plus 10hp extra over the 'S' and that was not a separate model like 'GTS'. So, what would you want for say, £8,000 to £10,000 extra in a GTS? (or whatever you think the premium would be in Sterling, haven't done the math - it won't be a straight currency exchange rate). My honest answer is I don't know but it wouldn't be just a bundle of standard options. I expect they will surprise us[] http://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsche/2010-porsche-boxster-and-cayman-design-and-design-sport-packages-ar86957.html

 

[MrDemon]

The gts 997 was a parts bin car though. Nothing bespoke like the sports classic. The cayman imo will be the same, some sort of aero kit, the 15bhp rise. But mainly things like PSE and some of the options inc. A bit like the cayman sport on the gen 1 cars. People rave on about the GTS but I had one for a day and it was just a normal 911 with power kit. Being not a fan of the 911 it left me cold. People also want a GT3 Cayman , I hope they DON,T go that route. I sold my GT3 because a road car it does not make. so that leave leaves the R model prob another 10bhp more than the GTS and sports chassis standard with bucket seats. For a daily that would be ok for me. It's strange from the off Porsche have offered sports chassis options, but I cannot fine a single uk demo with that option to try. Neither will be like the Spyder nore would a new style Spyder, none have the direct steering. Progress does not always mean better hence why most of evo writers own even older cars.

 

[flat6]

By similar definition the Sports Classic is as much a parts bin special as the GTS. You can't order a ducktail spoiler for a GTS but neither can you order centre-locks for a Sport Classic, but you can get Porsche Exclusive to trim any car from ceiling to sills in leather. Ducktail or centre locks, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the cars on a blindfolded passenger ride[] The more I think about it the more I think it might be a deliberate leak from Porsche to guage appetite for a GTS. The pic of the Boxster in the GTS collateral - if it was at least on the 20" Techo wheel it'd look more convincing and raise less doubt in my mind. So, if you're listening P, I'd sooner buy a used 991 S for what you're looking to charge for this car[] Cayman and Boxster are great cars at their pricepoint but if they get too expensive, people's attention may get diverted to alternatives.

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon The gts 997 was a parts bin car though. People rave on about the GTS but I had one for a day and it was just a normal 911 with power kit. Being not a fan of the 911 it left me cold.

The 997 GTS on paper was a stunning piece of kit which in the real world drove pretty much like any Carrera S of the same age Almost all the last 12 months of production were GTS's and their residuals are similar to an S[] The USA price doesn't carry all the crap we have here New Car Tax: 20% VAT so $10k premium can easily become £10-12k UK increase and I fear apart from 15 bhp which could easily become 10 bhp as per the norm for the lower ranked models it is just going to be a car with loads of stock option boxes included in the price rise[&o] Even if it was to get the full 3.4 beans and same power as a base 991 it will only be fractions of a second quicker in any given range There must be a formula if one studies all GTS's to date but I think this might be another 911 model that will get dropped once the 981 face lifts come to market circa 2016/17

 

[VvrooomM]

ORIGINAL: bluey green Daro911, Spec of my Spyder: PDK with paddle shift Carbon Buckets Silver Spyder alloys Sports Chrono Bi Xenons PSE Universal Audio Interface White Dials Cdr-30 radio Climate control Cheers.

I missed the need for xenons. Assumed they were standard after moving from M bmw's and thought bi-xenon was something else. God forbid we'd want to see where we are going in our lightweight Spyder.

 

[rob.kellock]

If you zoom in on the slide you can see just about make out the technical spec. If I read it correctly, I see extra 15bhp, manual gears or standard PDK option (free PDK?), sports exhaust, PASM, I think it then says 0.1 seconds quicker 0 - 60 than S model. The other spec seems to says 20"wheels, leather interior, new front and rear bumpers and some special GTS trimmings. I don't see bucket seats or anything light weight. The difficulty as I see it is that the digital cars will keep getting refined. Get excited by a Boxster GTS next summer and, as Rob suggests above, then 981.2 comes out and your new toy is obsolete! 981.2 will be full of LED lighting, PCM 4, Internet, automatic parking, 4 cylinder turbo engines, less fuel, more power... Makes the Spyder all the more attractive ;-)

 

[MrDemon]

ORIGINAL: flat6 By similar definition the Sports Classic is as much a parts bin special as the GTS. You can't order a ducktail spoiler for a GTS but neither can you order centre-locks for a Sport Classic, but you can get Porsche Exclusive to trim any car from ceiling to sills in leather. Ducktail or centre locks, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the cars on a blindfolded passenger ride[] The more I think about it the more I think it might be a deliberate leak from Porsche to guage appetite for a GTS. The pic of the Boxster in the GTS collateral - if it was at least on the 20" Techo wheel it'd look more convincing and raise less doubt in my mind. So, if you're listening P, I'd sooner buy a used 991 S for what you're looking to charge for this car[] Cayman and Boxster are great cars at their pricepoint but if they get too expensive, people's attention may get diverted to alternatives.

the centre locks are straight off the turbo, ie parts bin car the bits are taken from Porsche parts bin and they made a GTS without making any new parts. It's not about what you can and cannot order, it's about bespoke parts made for that model. the Sports classic has a bespoke double bubble roof for a start . just like our Spyders have a bespoke rear humps. Add in the Duck tail which has not been on any other 997 and it's quite a rare thing and very very yummy

 

[Andy Fagan]

Fitted Brey-Krause harness truss. Just waiting for brackets to fit the harnesses. Bit fiddley but took about 1 hour including coffee []

 

[kitchens]

Andy looks like a bit from the Forth Bridge in the back[][][][]

 

[Andy Fagan]

ORIGINAL: kitchens Andy looks like a bit from the Forth Bridge in the back[][][][]

Well THAT hasn't fallen down yet so must be good! []

 

[jdpef356]

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan

ORIGINAL: kitchens Andy looks like a bit from the Forth Bridge in the back[][][][]

Well THAT hasn't fallen down yet so must be good! []

andy I see they are making the Forth Bridge a 'Walk Over! Not a god omen[]

 

[daro911]

Read this and seems someone has been on the sauce before putting fingers to keyboard [][] This article will come back to haunt the writer September 27, 2013 We said in our [link=http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/1311_2013_motor_trend_best_drivers_car/viewall.html]2013 Best Driver’s Car competition[/link] that the Cayman S, which placed fifth out of 13 competitors, could use a few more horses. Now, a rumor started on popular European car forum Rennlist suggests Porsche may give us just that, hinting that higher-spec versions of the Porsche Boxster and Cayman with more power are on the way. [link=http://wot.motortrend.com/?attachment_id=410851]

[/link] A Porsche dealer in Northern California posted details on the forum, claiming new 2015 model-year Boxster and Cayman variants will go on sale next May. The new models would carry the GTS designation, and are alleged to produce 370 hp and 325 lb-ft of torque, [link=http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1307_2014_porsche_cayman_s_first_test/]up 45 hp and 53 lb-ft from the current Cayman S[/link], and 55 hp and 59 lb-ft from the [link=http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/convertibles/1212_2013_porsche_boxster_s_first_test/]Boxster S[/link]. According to the post, the GTS models would be priced around $75,000. We asked [link=http://wot.motortrend.com/porsche-rd-chief-on-918-spyder-ring-record-we-could-go-faster-407783.html]Porsche R&D chief Wolfgang Hatz[/link] in a recent interview about future Cayman variants, and he told us only to “wait and see.” Other sources inside Porsche didn’t deny the rumor. Regarding other details about the cars, the original poster said, “We should have more information at the L.A. auto show.” Other outlets have reported next April’s Beijing Motor Show is also a potential venue for the 2015 Porsche Cayman and Boxster GTS models to make their debut. If the rumors prove true, we’ll be anxious to see if the power boost turns the Cayman into the ideal sports car we always knew it could be. Read more: [link=http://wot.motortrend.com/we-hear-gts-variants-of-porsche-cayman-boxster-to-get-power-bump-410833.html#ixzz2gC7KTr22]http://wot.motortrend.com/we-hear-gts-variants-of-porsche-cayman-boxster-to-get-power-bump-410833.html#ixzz2gC7KTr22[/link]

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: bluey green Daro911, Spec of my Spyder: PDK with paddle shift Carbon Buckets Silver Spyder alloys Sports Chrono Bi Xenons PSE Universal Audio Interface White Dials Cdr-30 radio Climate control Cheers.

Hi BG What's with the Pistonheads embossed pic? Is the car up for sale?[]

 

[spyderwhite]

on the planet9 forum the speculation on those figures its a detuned 3.8 engine.next year both the 981 boxster and 991 will be 3 years old and due there mid life facelift so some sort of run out model will be on the cards like the rs60,cayman sports etc.what will happen to the 991 3.4 ?how much more usable road power can they squeeze from the 3.4, maybe 360 hp?so is the 3.4 991 going to be discontinued so opening the way for more power from the 981 and a stepping stone power wise to the 991s which will most likely move up to 420-430hp for 2015 model year! the fact they are saying the 981 gts is going to cost £10-12k more says to me more than a body kit and free pasm etc,the fully loaded black editions were only a few k more than the standard 987.2s. just have to wait and see to the embargo date next march!! just to add if those prices are correct you will be looking at around £70k for a nicely specd 981 cayman gts

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan Fitted Brey-Krause harness truss. Just waiting for brackets to fit the harnesses. Bit fiddley but took about 1 hour including coffee []

You really mean business mate!

 

[flat6]

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ORIGINAL: MrDemon

ORIGINAL: flat6 By similar definition the Sports Classic is as much a parts bin special as the GTS. You can't order a ducktail spoiler for a GTS but neither can you order centre-locks for a Sport Classic, but you can get Porsche Exclusive to trim any car from ceiling to sills in leather. Ducktail or centre locks, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the cars on a blindfolded passenger ride[] The more I think about it the more I think it might be a deliberate leak from Porsche to guage appetite for a GTS. The pic of the Boxster in the GTS collateral - if it was at least on the 20" Techo wheel it'd look more convincing and raise less doubt in my mind. So, if you're listening P, I'd sooner buy a used 991 S for what you're looking to charge for this car[] Cayman and Boxster are great cars at their pricepoint but if they get too expensive, people's attention may get diverted to alternatives.

the centre locks are straight off the turbo, ie parts bin car the bits are taken from Porsche parts bin and they made a GTS without making any new parts. It's not about what you can and cannot order, it's about bespoke parts made for that model. the Sports classic has a bespoke double bubble roof for a start . just like our Spyders have a bespoke rear humps. Add in the Duck tail which has not been on any other 997 and it's quite a rare thing and very very yummy

We can agree to disagree.

ORIGINAL: daro911 The 997 GTS on paper was a stunning piece of kit which in the real world drove pretty much like any Carrera S of the same age   Almost all the last 12 months of production were GTS's and their residuals are similar to an S[]   The USA price doesn't carry all the crap we have here New Car Tax: 20% VAT so $10k premium can easily become £10-12k UK increase and I fear apart from 15 bhp which could easily become 10 bhp as per the norm for the lower ranked models it is just going to be a car with loads of stock option boxes included in the price rise[&o]  Even if it was to get the full 3.4 beans and same power as a base 991 it will only be fractions of a second quicker in any given range   There must be a formula if one studies all GTS's to date but I think this might be another 911 model that will get dropped once the 981 face lifts come to market circa 2016/17      

To think that some felt that the Spyder was too expensive at £4k over an 'S' and can approach £60K optioned up (as can a Boxster S) will be interesting to see who has the stomach for a £10k premium over current 981 prices. As for the 3.4 engine, Porsche didn't have to put it in the 991 did they? Could they have used a 3.8 without some 'S' components and tune. Maybe the Carrera will keep a 3.4 and the 981 get a flat 4. So much to speculate.

 

[Andy Fagan]

Just a quick OT. Has anyone else stopped receiving notifications of new posts? Not sure if it's my email or not but stopped receiving notifications about 25/9

 

[kitchens]

I deleted the sign up bit from my details on my profile and that stopped them ...to be honest was a bit annoying at times to come back to 30 emails in your inbox .[]

 

[MrDemon]

ORIGINAL: flat6      

ORIGINAL: MrDemon

ORIGINAL: flat6 By similar definition the Sports Classic is as much a parts bin special as the GTS. You can't order a ducktail spoiler for a GTS but neither can you order centre-locks for a Sport Classic, but you can get Porsche Exclusive to trim any car from ceiling to sills in leather. Ducktail or centre locks, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the cars on a blindfolded passenger ride[] The more I think about it the more I think it might be a deliberate leak from Porsche to guage appetite for a GTS. The pic of the Boxster in the GTS collateral - if it was at least on the 20" Techo wheel it'd look more convincing and raise less doubt in my mind. So, if you're listening P, I'd sooner buy a used 991 S for what you're looking to charge for this car[] Cayman and Boxster are great cars at their pricepoint but if they get too expensive, people's attention may get diverted to alternatives.

the centre locks are straight off the turbo, ie parts bin car the bits are taken from Porsche parts bin and they made a GTS without making any new parts. It's not about what you can and cannot order, it's about bespoke parts made for that model. the Sports classic has a bespoke double bubble roof for a start . just like our Spyders have a bespoke rear humps. Add in the Duck tail which has not been on any other 997 and it's quite a rare thing and very very yummy

We can agree to disagree. Very true, but what do you disagree on ? Nothing is bespoke on the gts, but the sports classic has double bubble roof and duck tail never seen before on a 997. The Spyders not much more than that but we class that as bespoke.

 

[flat6]

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