Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: VvrooomM Gone to the dark side for the day. North of 60k in its heavily optioned trim. PDK gen2 is quicker to shift but not massively so. Strangely in sport and sport plus it automatically turns traction off and you can't turn it on again. Still has the annoying kick down button even if gearbox in manual.

VvrooomM as a more reliable source is it fair to say that my local OPC salesman who would only go PDK on any 981 but total opposite view if he was buying a 987 is probably talking out of his exhaust pipe[] and whilst you say the latest PDK is quicker is it still very much performing like your Gen 1 version as opposed to the steering which is now chalk & cheese

 

[daro911]

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[VvrooomM]

There wasn't a single manual 3.4 boxster or cayman available at Portsmouth or Bournemouth. Every new car in the showroom was PDK as well.

 

[MrDemon]

that's because the new manual box is also dire 7 speed unit. New cayman is in no mans land now rather a base model 991PDK and get a real 350BHp and 2+2

 

[kitchens]

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock I ended up having to leave early and go straight to bed with a raging temperature / cold sweats the works. I am never ill so not happy at all.

Wish you better no fun flu[X(]

Those of us of a special age get the flue jab every year ...so happens i got mine yesterday []

 

[vitesse]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock I ended up having to leave early and go straight to bed with a raging temperature / cold sweats the works. I am never ill so not happy at all.

Rob, Sorry to hear that -I waved as you drove off & thought then that was unusual for you-didn't see you much either either on or off track-there again,that means you didn't see me off the track-I was still on track at 5pm. Hope you're feeling much better soon-like Kitchens I've had the jab so I don't think you will have infected me during the brief (but enjoyable ) time we saw each other.

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon that's because the new manual box is also dire 7 speed unit. New cayman is in no mans land now rather a base model 991PDK and get a real 350BHp and 2+2

981's have only got 6 speeders the 7 is for the grand daddy only[] but my local OPC to my offices told me today they have never run a 981 demo car with anything other than the PDK and he personally has never driven the new models with anything other than the PDK. Poor fellow doesn't know what he is missing if you ask me[]

 

[rob.kellock]

Manual box in 981 is a delight - gear lever better positioned relative to the steering wheel than in our cars. Thanks for the kind words gents - think I have seen out the worst if it - definitely man flu not real flu! Coincidentally the son and heir is off school today with the same symptoms so I blame him!

 

[MrDemon]

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: MrDemon that's because the new manual box is also dire 7 speed unit. New cayman is in no mans land now rather a base model 991PDK and get a real 350BHp and 2+2

981's have only got 6 speeders the 7 is for the grand daddy only[] but my local OPC to my offices told me today they have never run a 981 demo car with anything other than the PDK and he personally has never driven the new models with anything other than the PDK.  Poor fellow doesn't know what he is missing if you ask me[]

interesting, thought they were all 7 speed, as people say you never get to see a manual 981. but the 4 lowest price 991 are all manual on the opc site

 

[kitchens]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Manual box in 981 is a delight - gear lever better positioned relative to the steering wheel than in our cars. Thanks for the kind words gents - think I have seen out the worst if it - definitely man flu not real flu! Coincidentally the son and heir is off school today with the same symptoms so I blame him!

Agree there i had 981 as lone car when mine was in for service and the gear change is so much better than on the Spyder mind you mine is SS and much more notch y /

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon

ORIGINAL: flat6

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan Great day at Oulton Park again today!! It was nice to meet up with old friends and some new including Mr D who came down and it was good to meet up and put a face to the name It was a shame Cecil didn't make it, and was a duly missed Spyderman [] Track was very slippery in the morning but I have to say all of the brake mods I did paid off and the brake pedal was perfect all day. Now all that's needed is some work on the driver, although I've been trying to repair the nail marks Rob K left on passenger side of my dash [] I'm downloading a very long vid which will be boring to most who weren't on the track at the time but you'll see how slippery the track was in places (Which seemed to changed lap by lap) but I'll post a link to it for anyone who wants a watch later. It was good to meet a few CR owners 5 including Mr D and myself!!

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan You can see the fun in a manual car especially on a damp circuit here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY6wdOGOFpw

Thanks Andy. Sounds and looks like I missed a good day, and the passenger ride I have been thinking about since you upgraded[] Glad to hear the brake upgrades work well. Here's a thought that might help you be contented with steel discs[]. When I was thinking of switching to a turbo, I saw what was almost the perfect car for me. The only thing that was making me reconsider that particular car was the PCCB's. I'm all for them technically, but I felt as if the cost risk hanging over me was going to nagging at me a little whilst owning it. I like to use my brakes (well, you like to use yours more than me [8D] ) and if you're unlucky with premature wear, gravel damage or a clumsy wheel fitter catching one, the costs are huge. I found different suggested costs across the internet, so I won't quote any of them as I don't know which is accurate but it certainly looked like a 5 figure sum to replace all 4 corners. If anyone knows the true cost, please state. I know some will say just change them to steels if something happens but then you're back where you could have started but OK, with bigger six piston calipers. For me, if i'm honest, I never buy anything would make me wince if I had to spend on it, so I walked away as I know I couldn't afford to deal with an unfortunate incident with a ceramic disc and I don't like to go backwards once i've gone forwards. That's not everyone's position, but I think i'd be able to enjoy the car more without thinking how loose the road surface is (i've never been off into the gravel at a circuit!). A bit too pessimistic for some I know, as the discs are proving very reliable if treated right. I just like to be able to drive my car anywhere and anyhow without thinking about it. If I was doing low mileage and not using it as a daily driver or the car was not going to be kept for more than a few years, i'd have them.

I thought this once, but converting to steels if your PCCB mess up would still be a massive gain over normal steels. 6 pots Calipers, bigger MC and 350MM disks all round vs 4 pot 317mm up front and 292mm at the rear with a MC where your foot falls to the floor. It's a win win imo a lot of guys if they do a lot track days fit the steels any way and store the PCCB. on the road only PCCB will last over 100k though.

It's a fair point. But if I only broke one corner, I would be loathed to change out the other three to steel, even if the cost of four steels is less than one ceramic. As you say, the road life should be long and some take the ceramics off for track. But that still makes me see them as something to be careful with. I would never tell someone not to get them though.

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon interesting, thought they were all 7 speed, as people say you never get to see a manual 981. but the 4 lowest price 991 are all manual on the opc site

I am told 991's are now 90% PDK and 981's are a nice 60-40 split due to nearly all the demo's being PDK if Porsche registered more manual dealer cars then the split would probably be 50/50 today which goes to show the 991 has become the GT car and the 981's have a fairer number of enthusiastic old school drivers still[] With every GT3 & Turbo receiving PDK the days of the manual 991's must surely be seriously numbered now[&:]

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: daro911 I am told 991's are now 90% PDK and 981's are a nice 60-40 split due to nearly all the demo's being PDK if Porsche registered more manual dealer cars then the split would probably be 50/50 today which goes to show the 991 has become the GT car and the 981's have a fairer number of enthusiastic old school drivers still[]  

It's a good point.

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: VvrooomM Gone to the dark side for the day. North of 60k in its heavily optioned trim. PDK gen2 is quicker to shift but not massively so. Strangely in sport and sport plus it automatically turns traction off and you can't turn it on again. Still has the annoying kick down button even if gearbox in manual. Rocker switches as opposed to paddles are awful. Guess you get used to them, put kept on changing down by pulling the right side. Engine/exhaust makes a nice noise, no PSE on it. Very different sound to 987 with PSE. BOSE a big improvement on sound plus. 7 digit postcode and Bluetooth streaming from iPhone all welcome. Like the speed limits in the nav to. 18 way or whatever sports seats, not a patch on the buckets. A final point, I really do NOT like the steering.

Always good to hear peoples' views of comparing other cars to the Spyder, especially the 981. Keep 'em comin' []

 

[flat6]

Get well soon RobK[]

 

[Andy Fagan]

ORIGINAL: flat6 Get well soon RobK[]

+1 []

 

[daro911]

That is one good looking car and I mean 981 v 991[] Without even going to £ for £ view point Porsche just seem to have nailed a fantastic piece of architecture for the 981's and how they will make Gen 4 look as dynamic will be very hard to do [] Although the salesman I was chatting to today reckons Porsche will never repeat the Spyder concept, lost far too much money on each unit, which probably means in Porsche speak made less margin than a regular Boxster[] a 981 Spyder in his opinion is just not going to happen and the GTS should nicely fill the void

 

[rob.kellock]

I feel like Ferris Bueller! No 981 Spyder would be good news for us.

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock I feel like Ferris Bueller! No 981 Spyder would be good news for us.

Financially yes but technically No[8|]

 

[flat6]

I do like the look of the 981 Cayman. The magic trick of looking bigger on the outside and actually being bigger on the inside, whilst having pretty much the same dimensions as the 987, is baffling. However, what leaves me undecided is that I don't want a 2 seater car to feel particularly big from the driver's seat. If I had one, the first thing i'd do is drive it like its maker intended (or go to PEC) to get me in the mindset that it is just as capable as the old car. Whenever I borrow a 981 I don't feel that compelled to go for a banzai drive. It more makes me want to lay back and cruise with Classic FM on in the background. As the car feels quite big, i'd rather go for a used 991 than a new 981. I'd take extra power and extra seats for how it feels in terms of size. I know comparing a used and new car monetarily isn't a fair match up, but we do have such choices on how to spend our money. I'd rather a 2 seater car felt compact. That's what I like about the 4C. That car is undoubtedly something you take out to go for a drive for the sole purpose of driving. It's not a mode of transport - for that it'd probably be a bad choice. 987 is the perfect balance. 981, as good as it is if you explore (push) it, hasn't pulled me in - but I won't knock it as that's my own personal taste. I think it will appeal to a wider market than the 987, (I know someone who prefers the Merc interiors to 987 but the 981 now comes up to scratch for him as a nice place to be), so it'll poach buyers from a wide range of other marques and no doubt be successful.