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Mark Nichol - 23 Mar 2010 First Drive: Porsche Boxster Spyder. Image by Max Earey. Porsche Boxster Spyder A roof that doesn't work properly and no kit, but more expensive than a Boxster S. So why are we trying to find £50k for a Spyder? | First Drive | Silverstone, England | Porsche Boxster Spyder | When Porsche first told us about the Boxster Spyder it caused quite a stir in the Car Enthusiast office. Not because of the thought of a pared back, quicker, more focused Boxster. Nope. It was because the first official picture had the car cowering under a bridge during a rainstorm. No sideways, tyre-smoking action shot. No blurry cornering iconography. Instead, a picture that said 'it's raining! Run for cover!' Weird because, as it turns out, the insinuation that the Spyder's canvas roof is useless is only partly true. But also because the Spyder is an absolutely sensational driver's car, and one that we'd be happy to risk drowning in if it meant a bit more time on the track. In the Metal Porsche claims that inspiration was drawn from the original 550 Spyder (aka the 'Little Bastard' that James Dean was killed in) for the eponymous Boxster. It takes a Boxster S, strips out lots of the kit, lowers the suspension, lightens the body by making some of the panels from aluminium, adds a locking differential, boosts power by 10bhp and charges about £4,000 for the privilege. That's before you've started adding the eschewed kit back in. But the main visual differential is the 'double bubble' (or whatever you want to call it) engine cover. With the top up, the canopy roof looks quite unusual too, and in contrast to expectation it doesn't eat into headroom or dissolve in the rain. Let's get the roof dealt with then. It's a two-piece fabric arrangement that takes four minutes to dismantle or erect… if you're well practiced, perhaps. The first few attempts will, unquestionably, be a two-person jape of hooks, metal bars and buttons. Yet, once up, and despite the aforementioned press picture, it works fine. Our only minor gripe is the swirl of wind noise above about 60mph. But then what do you expect? What you get for your Money To shave about 80kg from the Boxster's kerb weight - taking it to 1,275kg - Porsche has been as comprehensive as it could be without resorting to making the interior out of straw. From the inside it's actually not that noticeable, apart from the fabric door handles and the lack of a radio or air conditioning. And because the roof rolls up like a cheap tent, there's a fair amount of luggage space, relatively speaking. The fully skimmed Spyder costs £44,643. You can make it even lighter by adding trackday-friendly carbon-ceramic brakes. From there, it goes all Yazz: the only way is up. Too big for the standard lightweight buckets? The thicker, flatter sports seats are a no cost option. Then you can stuff back in, for a fee, such as the satnav, climate control, heavier wheels (so long as they're 19 inches in diameter), a PDK twin-clutch auto, a sports exhaust, heated seats, bi-xenon headlamps... whatever you want short of a split-folding rear bench, basically. The ceramic brakes cost £5,349, by the way, though the radio is free. Driving it Any rationale about the Boxster Spyder is rendered slightly pointless by the driving experience. Porsche knows it's a niche purchase - a second or third car for driver types that have a track predilection - so arguing it's impractical and overpriced is missing the point. The drive-enhancing changes over and above the Boxster S - stiffer, lower suspension, the differential, weight losses and power gain - seem small, but they fine tune a car that was already something special. The sublime Cayman is slightly stiffer, but the Spyder offers a uniquely visceral type of open-air involvement. It's not the quickest car in the world (though 5.1 seconds to 62mph, or 4.8 with PDK and launch control, isn't sluggish), but the nuances of information the Spyder feeds to your every contact point with it make it great. It's a horrible cliché to refer to a car and a go-kart in the same sentence, but indulge us here. The Spyder is so balanced, its steering so natural and full of feel, its throttle and brake calibration so right, that controlling it is easy to the point that you can, on a track, fling it around with the abandon of a dodgem car, fearlessly. The turn-in is quicker and more direct than a Dispatches sting on a corrupt politician, yet the back end is as predictable as the idiotic civil servant being stung. We drove the standard six-speed manual, as well as the PDK with 'push/pull' paddles, and the same 'box with traditional Porsche paddles on the steering wheel. The PDK seems to get better and better with every new application. And here, the Spyder's CO2 emissions are so improved with it that the car drops a VED band, saving £400 in first year 'showroom tax'. It's happy to chase a high gear during relaxed driving, but will jump down as many gears as necessary in less time that it would take you to move your hand to the gear lever, never mind make the change. Still, we'd opt for manual. Old argument (and the second cliché of this review) but it's still more involving. The PDK arguably leaves more brain space to concentrate in steering, braking points, exit speed and all that other track stuff, but on the road, when you just can't drive legally at 11/10ths, the manual feels better. That's so because, despite a ride that might be slightly too firm for some day-to-day, one of the Spyder's appealing traits is that it can make mundane driving feel slightly special. Any corner, at any speed, feels good in this car. Worth Noting In the pantheon of fast and focused cars, there's something credible and righteous about lightweight alloys. At the same time, we tend to sneer at ditching a radio to save weight. It's interesting then that losing the radio shaves 3kg off the Boxster's weight, whereas switching to 'lightweight' alloys loses just 2kg. Put that in your carbon fibre rucksack. Summary There's no doubt that this is a niche car, compromised as a daily driver, and thus suitable for only a few suitably moneyed and enthusiastic punters. That's why Porsche predicts just 100 sales in the UK per year - about a tenth of overall Boxster numbers. But, the Spyder really is an exquisitely focused car. We say that not because it's the sharpest track car in the world, in the sense that it's built purely for outright speed, but because it will be so useable and entertaining for so many people, on road and track. That's regardless of skill or experience. Assuming you practice your skills with the roof before venturing out on a cloudy day, it's perfectly useable for the child-less playboy or girl. Go on, take the plunge (possibly literally). If nothing else, you'll look slightly different to every other Boxster owner out there.
 
ORIGINAL: flat6
ORIGINAL: daro911 If there are none for sale today and I am in the market for a Spyder if the right car came along I wouldn't care if there was 6" of snow falling ..... It's only weather related for the impulse buyers who want a car there and then when the sun is shining IMO a serious buyer is ready and willing 24/7 x 365 days Now if someone is seriously looking they can contact me as I know of one of two Spyders that will be sold in the coming weeks Either a 5k mile manual or a 1k mile PDKboth garage queens [;)]
I agree. Will be watching to see how one of those garage queens is received by the market [;)]
You will be first to know when the decision is made which to keep and which to let go [:D]
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ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan
ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan
ORIGINAL: Fire_2 TrackDay wheels, Been offered some Team Dynamics Pro-Race 1.3 18x8.5 5x130 ET52 (Front) 19x10 5x130 ET65 (Rear) I suspect the front will be ok offset wise, but the rear looks very wide? would have to balance it out via bigger front wheel spacers or look for a different wheel with standard offsets?
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coming in around 11kg front and 11.7kg rear.
Went to Demon Tweeks today and saw some OZ Ultraleggera 19" wheels which I'm going to order. I was also tempted by the new Yokohama A08R tyres which are supposed to be an improved compound above the A08
Fire_2 I can't PM you as the PM's aren't working. Went to Tweeks today and they will only offer further discounts for 6+ sets so the price is set. On a second note; the new Yokohama A08R's have now been put into section 1B in the MSA year book so will not be eligible for the Speed championship in production class so I have gone for the Toyo R888's. The old Yoko A08 are being discontinued.
The Toyo R888's are no good because they are in 1B in the blue book so I need to find another tyre in 1A that will be suitable for production class :(
 
I say stick with the manual and swap in the painted seats [;)] What tyres is it riding on? Switch those, just for fun, see if a different brand feels different[8D]
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 I say stick with the manual and swap in the painted seats [;)] What tyres is it riding on? Switch those, just for fun, see if a different brand feels different[8D]
I have run all the oem n spec brands. PS2 are the best dry tyre, not that I would buy N spec as I would only buy super sports. Just sold my other oem brands for£350 , so now only have PS2 and dunlop race maxx. SS will be going on very soon when the PS2 has worn a bit.
 
ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan
ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan
ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan
ORIGINAL: Fire_2 TrackDay wheels, Been offered some Team Dynamics Pro-Race 1.3 18x8.5 5x130 ET52 (Front) 19x10 5x130 ET65 (Rear) I suspect the front will be ok offset wise, but the rear looks very wide? would have to balance it out via bigger front wheel spacers or look for a different wheel with standard offsets?
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coming in around 11kg front and 11.7kg rear.
Went to Demon Tweeks today and saw some OZ Ultraleggera 19" wheels which I'm going to order. I was also tempted by the new Yokohama A08R tyres which are supposed to be an improved compound above the A08
Fire_2 I can't PM you as the PM's aren't working. Went to Tweeks today and they will only offer further discounts for 6+ sets so the price is set. On a second note; the new Yokohama A08R's have now been put into section 1B in the MSA year book so will not be eligible for the Speed championship in production class so I have gone for the Toyo R888's. The old Yoko A08 are being discontinued.
The Toyo R888's are no good because they are in 1B in the blue book so I need to find another tyre in 1A that will be suitable for production class :(
I thought 1b can be used, the web site is not clear nor are the PDF downloads. Point 161. States 1a or 1b. And they will be treated equal, so if you are on 1a going up vs people on 1b you are screwed :) 1.6.1.viii Competitors may use tyres from Section L List 1A or 1B as shown in the 2013 MSA yearbook. For the purposes of scoring these will be treated equally. Not thati. Would use toyo as they are the slowest of the new 1b class of tyre and not available in oem size which might not meet regs. Cup 2 Race maxx Troffieo Will be the leading top 3 1b imo no one know about ad08r as the ad08 was not really a full on tyre more mega hard core street. As for 1a If pilot super sport is now listed it's the only 1a choice imo. But you will need a set of SS any way if it rains as all 1b will be useless.
 
You're correct Mr D I had re-read it wrong. I believe that wheel/tyre sizes are open as long as they fit under the standard arches
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 I say stick with the manual and swap in the painted seats [;)] What tyres is it riding on? Switch those, just for fun, see if a different brand feels different[8D]
Well I have to say after a 30 mile blast back to back the manual is obviously more fun, does far more mpg, because it is just so so easy to speed with the paddle shifter. One area where i was pushing myself (not the car) manual 35 mph and I was back out of the throttle pdk 55 mph and it was just flick flick beautifully matched rev blips to smooth the change 100% and I was back where I wanted to be without touching the brake pedal [&:] If I was totally honest the pdk for me makes high speed travel far faster and smoother than my talents allow in the manual ... Is that a good thing or a bad thing my jury is out [:-] I know if I go pdk I will miss the short shifter and I know if I let a 14 month newer 1050 miler go I will probably kick myself further down the road [&o] PDK is running Bridgestones short shifter is running Goodyear Eagles
 
ORIGINAL: daro911
ORIGINAL: flat6 I say stick with the manual and swap in the painted seats [;)] What tyres is it riding on? Switch those, just for fun, see if a different brand feels different[8D]
Well I have to say after a 30 mile blast back to back the manual is obviously more involving, does far more mpg, because it is just so so easy to speed with the paddle shifter. One area where I was pushing myself (not the car) manual 35 mph and I was back out of the throttle pdk 55 mph and it was just flick flick beautifully matched rev blips to 100% smooth the change and I was back where I wanted to be without touching the brake pedal [&:] If I am totally honest the pdk for me makes high speed travel far faster, easier and smoother than my limited talents allow in the manual ... Is that a good thing or a bad thing my jury is out [:-] I know if I go pdk I will miss the short shifter and I know if I let a 14 month newer 1050 miler go I will probably kick myself further down the road for doing that too [&o] PDK is running Bridgestones short shifter is running Goodyear Eagles
 
ORIGINAL: daro911
ORIGINAL: daro911
ORIGINAL: flat6 I say stick with the manual and swap in the painted seats [;)] What tyres is it riding on? Switch those, just for fun, see if a different brand feels different[8D]
Well I have to say after a 30 mile blast back to back the manual is obviously more involving, does far more mpg, because it is just so so easy to speed with the paddle shifter. One area where I was pushing myself (not the car) manual 35 mph and I was back out of the throttle pdk 55 mph and it was just flick flick beautifully matched rev blips to 100% smooth the change and I was back where I wanted to be without touching the brake pedal [&:] If I am totally honest the pdk for me makes high speed travel far faster, easier and smoother than my limited talents allow in the manual ... Is that a good thing or a bad thing my jury is out [:-] The PSE on the pdk doesn't seem to have the 20-40mph valve shutdown that the manuals have which is really weird! I know if I go pdk I will miss the short shifter and I know if I let a 14 month newer 1050 miler go I will probably kick myself further down the road for doing that too [&o] PDK is running Bridgestones short shifter is running Goodyear Eagles
 
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Milestone in mine just now - 20k miles recorded as I pulled onto the drive. Not got dirty either which was a bonus! Edit - photobucket all changed on iPhone - not sure where image code has gone!! Found it.
 
Anyone fitted gt3 type harness to a cayman/boxster with out a rear bar? I've heard it can be done by removing the plastic mesh pop outs and wrapping the harness around this, so just an under seat brace bar needed... also looking for info on the optional fire exchanger? anyone got one fitted?
 
There was some discussion about this on the USA forums and it was generally thought to be a bad idea on the Cayman which has a different steel bar running across front of engine compartment. I think the Boxster cage bars is what most people use on Boxsters. However I still have a Brey Krausse harness bar for sale [:D]
 
ORIGINAL: daro911 Mark Nichol - 23 Mar 2010 First Drive: Porsche Boxster Spyder. To shave about 80kg from the Boxster's kerb weight - taking it to 1,275kg - Porsche has been as comprehensive as it could be without resorting to making the interior out of straw. It's a horrible cliché to refer to a car and a go-kart in the same sentence, but indulge us here. The Spyder is so balanced, its steering so natural and full of feel, its throttle and brake calibration so right, that controlling it is easy to the point that you can, on a track, fling it around with the abandon of a dodgem car, fearlessly. The turn-in is quicker and more direct than a Dispatches sting on a corrupt politician, yet the back end is as predictable as the idiotic civil servant being stung. One of the Spyder's appealing traits is that it can make mundane driving feel slightly special. Any corner, at any speed, feels good in this car. The Spyder really is an exquisitely focused car. It will be so usable and entertaining for so many people, on road and track.
More for the weight debate (bear with me!) So, the weight saving of a Spyder can easily be 65kg over an S i.e. Weight savings that are permanent or typical on a Spyder (Excuse the wording, taken from elsewhere.) manual fabric roof with carbon fibre front frame reduces the Spyder’s weight by 21 kg aluminium doors similar to those on the 911 Turbo and GT3 saves 15 kg the use of an aluminium rear engine cover saves 3 kg using lightweight carbon fibre sports bucket seats saves 12 kg the fuel tank has a capacity of 54 litres, 10 litres fewer than standard Boxster, saving 7 kg the lightweight design of the 19” Spyder alloy wheels saves 5 kg dispensing with cup holders and using lightweight interior door trims with door opening loops saves 2 kg Total weight saving: 65kg Weight savings that might get put back in on a Spyder since the Spyder was designed for sporty open-top driving, the air conditioning has been removed and saves 12 kg there is no radio and a smaller battery, saving approximately 3 kg I can feel the difference in performance in the Spyder when carrying another adult vs when i'm driving alone, so to lose another adult's weight with the above weight savings is clearly advantageous in the acceleration, braking and turning and you feel the difference between S and Spyder, well, I do. Also, the power-to-weight ratio of 4 kg/hp, 9 per cent better than a Boxster S. Right enough of that, now here's a thought provoking point. The 918 Spyder Weissach Package will cost you £60,000 to save .................................. 36kg!! When I say our Spyder isn't a super light at 1275kg I mean it isn't void of carpets or sound proofing or quality build construction, so isn't going to be as light as a car made of fibre glass or plastic like a Lotus or more exotic materials like a 4C. It is light for the high quality of car that it is. But how does a hypercar have 36kg of fat to shed at a cost of £60,000 ??OK, you get some other bits in that price but shouldn't the standard car be as light as possible? The Weissach Package gets the weight down to 1675kg. 36kg off of 1706kg is a much smaller percentage than the 65kg to 80kg weight saving on the 987 Spyder vs the S. A lot cheaper too at only £4K premium!![8D] This car makes so much sense[;)]
 
ORIGINAL: daro911
ORIGINAL: daro911
ORIGINAL: daro911
ORIGINAL: flat6 I say stick with the manual and swap in the painted seats [;)] What tyres is it riding on? Switch those, just for fun, see if a different brand feels different[8D]
Well I have to say after a 30 mile blast back to back the manual is obviously more involving, does far more mpg, because it is just so so easy to speed with the paddle shifter. One area where I was pushing myself (not the car) manual 35 mph and I was back out of the throttle pdk 55 mph and it was just flick flick beautifully matched rev blips to 100% smooth the change and I was back where I wanted to be without touching the brake pedal [&:] If I am totally honest the pdk for me makes high speed travel far faster, easier and smoother than my limited talents allow in the manual ... Is that a good thing or a bad thing my jury is out [:-] The PSE on the pdk doesn't seem to have the 20-40mph valve shutdown that the manuals have which is really weird! I know if I go pdk I will miss the short shifter and I know if I let a 14 month newer 1050 miler go I will probably kick myself further down the road for doing that too [&o] PDK is running Bridgestones short shifter is running Goodyear Eagles
What are you doing quoting and re-quoting your post?![:D] It's a tough decision and I don't know what i'd do in your shoes. I think I once came to the conclusion that PDK doesn't have a better fuel economy until it can make good use of cruising in that 7th gear. If I did go PDK it would be because it is much faster for the average man to leave out gear lever work when on a serious charge. Gear changes and cornering for someone like me must surely be sub-optimal vs PDK driven in manual or auto mode. Did the tyres feel any different?
 
RobK, you've entered the exclusive club of the 20K miles Spyder [8D] Will be interesting to see how the pence per s.mile works out on our cars. I think it's been worth every penny. Still a very low mileage for a 3 year old car I might add!
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 Did the tyres feel any different?
My main point of the test drive was to workout the pros & cons of the 2 gearboxes tyres didn't come into that equation for now [:D] Not sure what the general conscensus on here is for either flavour Goodyears or Bridgestones[&o]
 

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