spyderwhite
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yes in your 2012 model year caymanR which should be cheaper than an older system
Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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This stuff looks interesting too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYlDVimu1s0
Nice picture, steering wheel looks good. Andy, wish my car was coated in that magic juice before it went to Scotland - laser speed camera would probably not have stuck!!
It could disprove a few old sayings
Thanks flat6 and so far it might be a pdk but my version only has one mode "M" as I dislike auto boxes making a single decision for me false stop. In my first 100 miles once I stopped driving like I was on a race circuit we are now bonding very nicely and I find although I am often carrying greater speed than my manual would have been doing in a similar situation choosing ones line and gear shifts (up or down) are an entirely new and equally fun filled experience to shifting a clutch and stick To conclude for now it's an entirely different drive to the fantastic short shift manual but because it is so smooth, fast and yes "fun" with a wonderful sound track when going for it and not lifting between shifts with the PSE "on" it does feel like it has an extra 50 bhp Before I let my manual go I had one final blast on my personal evo triangle[
] and in one section where I was out of the throttle at 35 mph in the manual with the pdk I was out the throttle at 55! this is where the car really feels its has far more accessible use of the 320 bhp without any mechanical abuse to the actual gearbox or clutch or any sweating on my part[] I had a bet with a friend who said I am the 6th manual die hard he knows to go paddle shift and he claimed once I fully learnt to drive it in my chosen fashion I would never go back to a stick ... I bet I could be the first exception to his rule and so far (early days) I think I might owe him a lunch [&o] 
Not sure how you find more speed , I often go out with my mate in our Caymans, he has PDk we drive the same speed. To start claiming a 20mph speed increase is a bit far fetched sorry. but I have a couple of mates who have gone to PDK, GTR etc because they just lack the skill set, they still cannot keep up though lol won't be long before you leave it in auto.
Siy
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I may not e the greatest driver - and I am a die hard manual fan - with this pdk being my first silly automatic gearbox...however , I agree - without any doubt, I am finding more speed using the pdk - that may reflect badly on my driving abilities, or maybe not - but I totally get what Daro is saying... its the exact same experience that I found!
I find more speed because unfortunately coming from an engineering enviroment I am way too over protective with my manuals and also as you rightly say probably equally lacking in the skill sets to be as creamy smooth and precise as a pdk [ORIGINAL: MrDemon Not sure how you find more speed , I often go out with my mate in our Caymans, he has PDk we drive the same speed. To start claiming a 20mph speed increase is a bit far fetched sorry. but I have a couple of mates who have gone to PDK, GTR etc because they just lack the skill set, they still cannot keep up though lol won't be long before you leave it in auto.
] I can guarantee you I will never be in auto mode. My other half has had autos for about 20 years now and even before buttons and paddles on the rare occasion we used her car I would use the stick to control any gear changes so trust me when I say mine will only ever see the "M" slot it willHi Daro It's pretty much a revelation hearing your thoughts, someone coming from having had the identical car in manual and strongly preferring manual. Many won't know the background to your switch as I do and I know that it wasn't to go PDK and in fact that was the biggest doubt in your mind to go through with it. So I know that you are not simply trying to convince yourself that you have made the right decision. The key point is that you didn't say the car was faster, you said it enables YOU to drive faster. For me, my tendency towards manual was because in my short stints with PDK i've tended to leave it in auto. As a daily driver, in auto, commuting to work in sport mode is not ideal whilst normal mode felt sluggish. On a 2nd car, i'd drive it solely in sport mode. BUT, and it's a big BUT, driving it in manual mode negates all that and I'd have to follow your lead and drive it in manual. It clear to me that when driving fast, being able to keep on the throttle during millisecond gear changes, must be faster. Whether or not it is only a tenth faster vs an optimised clutch burning launch in a manual, the PDK transmission should enable a driver to drive faster. That's why race cars use an automated gear shift. Has anyone seen the film RUSH. The manual shifting by Hunt and Lauda at the speeds they're travelling looks so so slow by modern racing car standards. I don't think anyone truly believes that a manual is faster when you are really going for it. There are plenty of slow drivers in fast PDK cars that will be out driven by a better driver in a manual. Put the better driver in the PDK and see if he is not faster still. If he can't go any quicker then he needs to learn how. Imagine a current F1 driver asking for a manual. I think he'd be told to go take some driving lessons and come back learns how to go quicker with an automated box[]
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I have a manual R but was taken around Oulton Park by Chris Whittle (A racer in the PCGB series) in his PDK CR. It was definitely quicker through the gears on the up changes and could save some substantial time on a lap, however I found that when completely off the power whilst into and around some of the bends there was a disconcerting vagueness on the overrun which felt and sounded like the car was in a freewheel mode. This was just my opinion from the passenger side but it wasn't a feeling that gave me a positive feedback.
Looking at that video I think Plato touched on what I was talking about when he said about the down changes.
Hi flat6 ... You have hit the nail square on the head and the one lesson I have learnt from my switch to the dark side is that when used in the correct fashion for ones personal driving style then flappy paddles are not only quicker & smoother shifting in either direction but most importantly bring a different dimension to the fun factor which is the most crucial requirement of any sports car owners needs One rarely hears a squeak from the 3 Top Gear comics these days about flappy paddles so even they seem to have been finally converted It will be interesting to see how many 991 Turbo & GT3 owners will be unhappy with the demise of the 3 pedal system[ORIGINAL: flat6 Hi Daro It clear to me that when driving fast, being able to keep on the throttle during millisecond gear changes, must be faster. Whether or not it is only a tenth faster vs an optimised clutch burning launch in a manual, the PDK transmission should enable a driver to drive faster. That's why race cars use an automated gear shift. Has anyone seen the film RUSH. The manual shifting by Hunt and Lauda at the speeds they're travelling looks so so slow by modern racing car standards. I don't think anyone truly believes that a manual is faster when you are really going for it. There are plenty of slow drivers in fast PDK cars that will be out driven by a better driver in a manual. Put the better driver in the PDK and see if he is not faster still. If he can't go any quicker then he needs to learn how. Imagine a current F1 driver asking for a manual. I think he'd be told to go take some driving lessons and come back learns how to go quicker with an automated box[
] Bottom line had my new 1000 mile Spyder been a stick shift I would have been more than happy to have remained old school for a while longer Fortunately my daily driver is a stick so I can keep my brain trained in that area still[] 
It's not what you know but who you know. [] Have to say I agree with daro and the Professor's take on it is bang on - it's not that PDK is a lot faster, just that you drive it that way. I think it's partly to do with not having to lift the throttle during changes up the gearbox and possibly using more of the rev range than you normally would in a manual when driving at 7/10s. I appreciate that if you are "on it" you can take the manual car to the red line but if you're just driving briskly, I generally don't. I suspect a PDK Porsche with a proper roof could get me in to a lot of trouble - the performance becomes very easy to access.
] Have to say I agree with daro and the Professor's take on it is bang on - it's not that PDK is a lot faster, just that you drive it that way. I think it's partly to do with not having to lift the throttle during changes up the gearbox and possibly using more of the rev range than you normally would in a manual when driving at 7/10s. I appreciate that if you are "on it" you can take the manual car to the red line but if you're just driving briskly, I generally don't. I suspect a PDK Porsche with a proper roof could get me in to a lot of trouble - the performance becomes very easy to access.
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