Menu toggle

Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

Have never regarded a Boxster with 4 cams 6 cylinders and at least 2.5 Litres as a "hairdresser's car". As you said yourself it's the Rado versus the full mechanical chronograph. If the Rado is your thing then go for it. Personaly there is a substance to a Boxster/Cayman, which you feel as you drive it, that you need to pay a great deal more to match. Alfa had some great v6s in the past, perhaps if they put one of these in.
 
New Page New Pic - Are we the biggest Spyder forum in the world like this chap is one of the biggest of its breed[;)]
%2Blargest%2Bspider%2Bin%2Bthe%2Bworld%2B1.jpg
 
Another person who says that all it needs is a V6. That's not bad at all. Just one box unticked then. If being prepared to accept less than six cylinders means i'm not a connoisseur of car engines then so be it. I'm more into how a car drivesand handles and I have the mid-engine and lightness bug mainly. The Rado vs Omega and Bruni vs Merkel quips were not about the engine. In my jovial discussion about why some people buy Alfas I was saying that some will buy it on looks alone regardless of some of the more technical points. But to take your example, someone might fall asleep listening to someone else talk about 4 cams, 6 cylinders and more CC after they've just left that someone for dust whilst having their biggest ever thrill driving a 4 cylinder car. Whilst I do enjoy talking about the 4C, I do recognise that I am in a class of one on here and it is hijacking the Boxster Spyder forum (to be fair its often not me that raises the subject & some of us want to banter about it). I do still own a Spyder by the way and it has no shortcomings whatsoever imo. I just like the 4C as well, but for different reasons. It can never beat what Porsche do best. If anyone wants to continue this I suggest they set up a 'Why I wouldn't buy a 4C' thread, but I'll get back to Spyders over here.
 
4 cylinders !! 6 cylindres !! There is no doubt that the Porsche 6 cylinder is a beauty but if you have to have a 4 cylinder screaming at you then you can not better the Civic type R in your ear in an Ariel Atom, pure music
 
I would also like to point out for anyone that has joined part way through that this forum was built up by 5 people, 4 of whom can be found on the first page, and I am one of them. I am one of the Spyder's biggest fans, which might not come across, hearing my talk about the 4C of late. 2 different cars. Engines - what I do like about the Porsche engine is the 180 degree angle of the cylinder banks. No other engine can be packaged in a car with as low a centre of gravity as flat Boxer engine. From the ground up, it's pure genius and every little innovation pays off. That is why I chose the username 'flat6'as it was the first Porsche identity I took note of. If I had to choose, i'd rather a Porsche flat4 than an Alfa V6, because of how Porsche could position a flat4 rather than a V6. Of course i'd prefer a Porsche flat6 over a Porsche flat4, a Porsche flat4 over an Alfa in-line 4 and goes without saying, a Porsche flat6 over a Porsche V6. And 'every little innovation paying off' is why I jumped at the Spyder, having never had much interest in open cars before. Everything they've done to the car has paid off and it is a significantly different drive to the Cayman I had and so it should be. You'd have to read back over the first couple hundred pages to see me praising the Spyder. I've done that to death! New page new Spyder pic[:)]
porsche%20boxster%20spyder%202010%2092.jpg56239163-ef15-46a0-8376-ff0e66dd2c55Larger.jpg
 
ORIGINAL: MrDemon One of the main reasons I made the Switch from Lotus to Porsche was to try and get the feel of a sports car with a bit more comfort.
Next you will switch from stick to paddle when the knees give up on ya:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: In the meantime when comfort wasn't your aim perhaps this little gem would have made your garage[;)] http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=29286 Ah the Porsche 991 GT3. The gift that keeps giving for the click hungry editor of a discussion-led motoring website! Have we tired yet of debating PDK versus manual? Seemingly not. And into this fray marches Lotus, just a couple of weeks after some bloke called Walter told us his favourite GT3 ever was the pared back first-gen 996. Little of the old delicacy but much more potent Little of the old delicacy but much more potentThe new GT3 is operating at a totally different level to that original car. It's got a revvy normally aspirated engine to differentiate it from the Turbo but, really, they're now just two slightly different answers to the same question. The eventual RS may reclaim the purist vote but by then we'll be knocking on the door of 458 Speciale money and the willingness to treat it as a hard-working track hound may be found lacking. So let's look again at Rohrl's favourite GT3. 360hp. Minimal driver aids and the just enough creature comforts for daily road use. A direct bloodline to racing cars. A slim kerb weight. A price tag of £76K, not £176K. Where would you turn now if you wanted such a car? For speed add, oh, power Well, you could do worse than talk to Lotus. The standard Exige S would make for a more than capable road and track car. So if that car is the 996 GT3 for the modern age the 350hp Cup we have here is the RS equivalent. You can look at it in two ways - either as the very peak of the road legal Lotus range or the first rung on the ladder of a V6-based motorsport line-up that could take you into GT4 and beyond. All are road legal but track ambitions clear All are road legal but track ambitions clearThere are significant hurdles in going from Exige S to Cup, a circa £10K price leap the first. Because it's built by Lotus Racing track rules apply so it only comes with a limited one year/6,000-mile warranty too. But if you're serious about using your Exige on track it begins to make sense, the price including a baffled wet sump, A-frame rollover assembly with harness bar, FIA standard integral fire extinguisher system, isolator switches, towing eyes, FIA approved fixed back racing seats with harnesses to accompany the inertia reel belts for road use and two-way adjustable Nitron dampers. It also runs Lotus Racing spring rates and because it's based on the same chassis as the Cup R there's additional adjustment in the suspension hardpoints for a wider range of camber, caster, toe and ride height set up. Next thing you know... Further options include Cup R Ohlins TTX dampers, air-con, HANS ready driver's seat and six-point harness and a full roll cage bolted into the prepared mounting points on the tub. By that point you'll be ready to go racing, the Cup certified for entry into various Lotus Cup championships around the world. V6 zings, supercharger sings, Exige flies V6 zings, supercharger sings, Exige fliesTaking a step back, can the basic Cup really cut it as a car you'd drive on the road as well as the track? Before taking to the Hethel test track we go for a quick round the block on the road, incorporating a delightful little wiggle of B-road before a slightly less delightful blast up the A11 towards Norwich. Two things strike you immediately; first that the short throw and positive gate are a big step up from Elise family shifters of old. And second that the non-assisted steering is ruddy heavy at parking speeds. Heavy enough to have you lifting out of your seat as you haul on the little wheel. That ceases to be an issue once double digits appear on the speedo but it's a shock in this day and age and first indication the Exige isn't as dainty as those previously to wear the badge. Twists and turns on the B-roads are dismissed with a roll of the wrists but the concrete surface of the A11 shows how raw the Cup is on less accommodating roads. It's loud enough you won't be missing the stereo and proves a weight saving of around 75kg over the standard Exige doesn't come without sacrifice. Clever DPM 'learning' traction control Clever DPM 'learning' traction controlEvery cloud Back at Hethel and out onto the test track the conditions are miserable under an oppressively grey Norfolk sky. Large puddles lurk in bits where you'd really want to be braking and/or turning and it's a relief to hear from Lotus Racing's Louis Kerr that the car has been set up with the default 'easy track' damping and geometry. He advises that the Race setting on the Exige's trademark - and very clever - Dynamic Performance Management is reserved for dry conditions but experience shows its ability to 'learn' the grip levels means it may yet get an outing. By heck it's fiercely quick too. Sub nine seconds 0-100mph is rapid in anyone's book and even in these conditions the standard fit Pirelli Corsas find decent traction. Exiges have always had plenty of top-end excitement but the increased displacement and cylinder count gives you the kind of low-end grunt four-cylinder versions could only dream of. It opens up the option to short-shift and maximise traction with little noticeable drop-off in pace, the gruff V6 opening up to a more feral top-end overlayed with just a little supercharger shriek. It's not quite as banzai as the previous supercharged Exiges like the Cup 260 but it feels much, much faster across the board. Even in the wet grip and traction is immense Even in the wet grip and traction is immenseThat character trait extends to the handling too. The delicacy and balance of the four-cylinder cars has been replaced by a more blunt, muscular handling model that in this set-up defaults to a safety inspired nose-led cornering stance. Even with sideways star Gavan Kershaw on the steering circle the Exige pushes on rather than holding balanced slides but you could of course dial this out by playing with the geo. I feel it in my fingers It's confidence inspiring in these conditions though, the sudden loss of grip as you pass through mid-corner puddles felt as muscles and tendons in your forearms suddenly relaxing in the true definition of steering feel. As the loss of grip moves from front to rear you're already dialling in the correction as a pure instinctive reaction and with the DPM in Race mode you can then lean hard on the throttle safe in the knowledge it'll give you as much as the chassis will handle without dumbing down the need for driver input. Or you can lift to neutralise the understeer and suddenly a much more playful character emerges, even if the open diff ultimately spins the power away. Overall though it's a very neat balance, both satisfyingly involving and extremely rapid; accommodating of those with less experience while rewarding for those who know what they're doing. Just what those of us disillusioned with the growing automation of supposed drivers' cars have been crying out for, right? LOTUS EXIGE V6 CUP Engine: 3,456cc V6, supercharged Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive Power (hp): 350@7,000rpm Torque (lb ft): 295@4,500rpm 0-62mph: c. 3.8sec Top speed: c. 171mph Weight: 1,110kg (depending on final spec) MPG: N/A CO2: N/A Price: £62,994 (basic price inc. VAT, fully road legal and with limited warranty)
 
IF these prices are correct then it would appear quite good value if you desire more power, PSE 20" wheels & PASM which I would imagine are all pretty standard ticked boxes on many an "S" already. I would guess both models will be circa 0.01 seconds quicker than any Spyder or "R"[:-] So the Spydermen will still have exclusivity, price advantage for now[;)] and the looks [8D] whilst losing the speed war[&o] http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/scoop/new-porsche-cayman-and-boxster-gts-april-launch 28 January 2014 12:02am These spy images reveal development work on the new Porsche Cayman and Boxster GTS models is almost finished. The two models are set to go on sale in April following a debut at the Beijing motor show. Details of the cars were leaked last year from an American dealer conference. Both new versions get a 15bhp power increase over the standard 3.4-litre S variant, meaning the Boxster GTS will have 326bhp on offer, while the Cayman GTS gets 335bhp. The cars gain distinctive new bumper designs at the front and rear, a new sports exhaust, and 20-inch wheel designs borrowed from the 911 Carerra S. The Cayman GTS also gets new LED daytime running lights. A manual gearbox will come as standard, but a PDK transmission will be available as an option. Reports suggest that Porsche's Active Suspension Management system will be standard. The UK market should expect a price increase of around £4000 over the S version of each car. That means the Boxster GTS should start from around £50,000 and the Cayman GTS from £52,700.
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 I would also like to point out for anyone that has joined part way through that this forum was built up by 5 people, 4 of whom can be found on the first page, and I am one of them. I am one of the Spyder's biggest fans, which might not come across, hearing my talk about the 4C of late. 2 different cars.
There is absolutely no need to justify yourself. We would not buy these types of cars if we were not all car enthusiasts. I find the 4C a really interesting idea and I'm glad it exists. I think, in a few years, I may well have one when my needs are different to what they are now. It's quite acceptable to discuss cars which are, or could be, replacements for our Spyders in due course. In fact the fact that such a discussion is so difficult to conclude just goes to show how great our little hairdresser's cars are.....
 
Thanks Bill As you say it's going to be difficult to decide where to go next as the Spyder is hard to top. I've test driven a number of cars on here and compared to Spyder, including a few 981s. Granted it has never been a fair fight but the Spyder's attributes have always shone through. The only car that went toe to toe with it was the Cayman R, unsurprisingly. Have had numerous discussions offline with a few of the guys about where to go next and that often concludes with do nothing and keep the Spyder indefinitely!
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 Have had numerous discussions offline with a few of the guys about where to go next and that often concludes with do nothing and keep the Spyder indefinitely!
That is one of the great things about owning a limited production sports car especially when it's a Porsche with extremely (by Porsche standards) exotic styling added to the already superb mix Where to go next is a very hard call indeed even though I am sure a 981 GTS would tick all my boxes and then some but it will never be as unique, as stylish, as rare and exquisite looking to my eyes not to mention the petrol head masses and it's guaranteed some serious depreciation compared to what we currently run[8D]
 
ORIGINAL: Rocket Man 4 cylinders !! 6 cylindres !! There is no doubt that the Porsche 6 cylinder is a beauty but if you have to have a 4 cylinder screaming at you then you can not better the Civic type R in your ear in an Ariel Atom, pure music
I would surely like to try something like an Atom. Is there a good company that does driving experiences in one? I.e. they let you give it some welly.
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 I would surely like to try something like an Atom. Is there a good company that does driving experiences in one? I.e. they let you give it some welly.
http://www.donington-park.co.uk/experiences/track-driving-experiences/ariel-atom/[;)] http://www.racing-school.co.uk/driving/ariel-atom.asp[:)]
 
ORIGINAL: flat6 I would surely like to try something like an Atom. Is there a good company that does driving experiences in one? I.e. they let you give it some welly.
http://www.palmersport.com/our-cars/ariel-atom-3.aspx
 
ORIGINAL: billy1
ORIGINAL: flat6 I would also like to point out for anyone that has joined part way through that this forum was built up by 5 people, 4 of whom can be found on the first page, and I am one of them. I am one of the Spyder's biggest fans, which might not come across, hearing my talk about the 4C of late. 2 different cars.
There is absolutely no need to justify yourself. We would not buy these types of cars if we were not all car enthusiasts. I find the 4C a really interesting idea and I'm glad it exists. I think, in a few years, I may well have one when my needs are different to what they are now. It's quite acceptable to discuss cars which are, or could be, replacements for our Spyders in due course. In fact the fact that such a discussion is so difficult to conclude just goes to show how great our little hairdresser's cars are.....
Quite, as petrolheads we all like to see what else is out there that might take our fancy. I would like to see a 4C in the flesh, because I'm not sure that pictures do it justice. I have been a bit disappointed with the reviews, as most of them agree that there is something lacking handling wise, but if I was interested in one I would make my own mind up. However, another thing I particularly like about the Spyder is the luggage space, which is something a few of its rivals lack. It might not seem that important, but I went to France for a week or so twice last year and it made all the difference. Not only did it swallow all of Mrs homerdog's luggage with ease, but there was plenty of room to bring some nice French wine home! [:D]
 
Wife loves the Spyder, such comfort, soft suspention, comfy seats, windscreen, luxury of a canvass roof, heater, it even has doors. As for storage space well that is in abundance. Then there is the not having to dress like an artic explorer All that said they are so fast it is scary
 
ORIGINAL: homerdog
ORIGINAL: billy1
ORIGINAL: flat6 I would also like to point out for anyone that has joined part way through that this forum was built up by 5 people, 4 of whom can be found on the first page, and I am one of them. I am one of the Spyder's biggest fans, which might not come across, hearing my talk about the 4C of late. 2 different cars.
There is absolutely no need to justify yourself. We would not buy these types of cars if we were not all car enthusiasts. I find the 4C a really interesting idea and I'm glad it exists. I think, in a few years, I may well have one when my needs are different to what they are now. It's quite acceptable to discuss cars which are, or could be, replacements for our Spyders in due course. In fact the fact that such a discussion is so difficult to conclude just goes to show how great our little hairdresser's cars are.....
Quite, as petrolheads we all like to see what else is out there that might take our fancy. I would like to see a 4C in the flesh, because I'm not sure that pictures do it justice. I have been a bit disappointed with the reviews, as most of them agree that there is something lacking handling wise, but if I was interested in one I would make my own mind up. However, another thing I particularly like about the Spyder is the luggage space, which is something a few of its rivals lack. It might not seem that important, but I went to France for a week or so twice last year and it made all the difference. Not only did it swallow all of Mrs homerdog's luggage with ease, but there was plenty of room to bring some nice French wine home! [:D]
You're absolutely right. I regularly "fill the boots" and if it's not something boxy I've never had a problem with the practicality. Try doing that with any other comparable performance car. There are so many things that make the Spyder so good - that is why it is hard to replace. Rarity, running costs, looks, depreciation, practicality are all terrific. I'm not a "brand" person but if that is your thing then it's nice to have a Porsche badge in front of you too. I am racking my brains about what to replace it with and all the options include mucher higher costs (capital, depreciation and/or running costs) and probably equivalent "real world" performance.
 
Thanks, I hear good things about Palmersport. Rocketman, your wife did well to accompany you in an Atom even just once[:D] with exposure to the elements on par with a motorbike[:D]
 

Posts made and opinions expressed are those of the individual forum members

Use of the Forum is subject to the Terms and Conditions

Disclaimer

The opinions expressed on this site are not necessarily those of the Club, who shall have no liability in respect of them or the accuracy of the content. The Club assumes no responsibility for any effects arising from errors or omissions.

Porsche Club Great Britain gives no warranties, guarantees or assurances and makes no representations or recommendations regarding any goods or services advertised on this site. It is the responsibility of visitors to satisfy themselves that goods and/or services supplied by any advertiser are bona fide and in no instance can the Porsche Club Great Britain be held responsible.

When responding to advertisements please ensure that you satisfy yourself of any applicable call charges on numbers not prefixed by usual "landline" STD Codes. Information can be obtained from the operator or the white pages. Before giving out ANY information regarding cars, or any other items for sale, please satisfy yourself that any potential purchaser is bona fide.

Directors of the Board of Porsche Club GB, Club Office Staff, Register Secretaries and Regional Organisers are often requested by Club members to provide information on matters connected with their cars and other matters referred to in the Club Rules. Such information, advice and assistance provided by such persons is given in good faith and is based on the personal experience and knowledge of the individual concerned.

Neither Porsche Club GB, nor any of the aforementioned, shall be under any liability in respect of any such information, advice or assistance given to members. Members are advised to consult qualified specialists for information, advice and assistance on matters connected with their cars at all times.

Back
Top