Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[Andy Fagan]

Not really as VINS are different for LHD and RHD and any specific country, so how can that be worked out? Also it depends if numbers were consecutive or whether there were gaps or missing production numbers. Nobody really knows how Porsche number there cars and I'm pretty sure it isn't straightforward []

 

[Big E]

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: Big E Quick question for you Spyder experts! What effect does the Sports and Sports Plus buttons have on the traction/stability control (PSM?) if any? I seem to remember hearing that Sports Plus increases slip angles before stepping in, if so is there any adaption in Sports?

Taken from my Spyder Hardback Brochure Selecting the Sport Mode makes the throttle more responsive and uncompromising with PDK you also get Sport Plus allowing for faster short shift times and launch control for a racing start It doesn't mention anything about altering the sensitivity of the traction control but I do believe that is also part of the Sport & Sport Plus features. It also doesn't mention when in Sport Plus mode 7th gear is locked out or the fact that the redline limiter is hit harder than a non SC car I am sure if this info is wrong or missing more features Mr D could complete the circle[]

Well I've found a bit more info, although details seem thin on the ground and this mentions wheels locking rather than wheel slip. "PSM (Porsche Stability Management) intervention limits are increased to allow more aggressive driving without triggering a system response. (In normal mode PSM triggers if one wheel is about to lock up, in sport mode it triggers when two wheels are)" So it appears the different limits are between normal and Sport, no mention on any difference between Sport and Sport Plus. Might post up the question on PH

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: Big E Well I've found a bit more info, although details seem thin on the ground and this mentions wheels locking rather than wheel slip. "PSM (Porsche Stability Management) intervention limits are increased to allow more aggressive driving without triggering a system response. (In normal mode PSM triggers if one wheel is about to lock up, in sport mode it triggers when two wheels are)" So it appears the different limits are between normal and Sport, no mention on any difference between Sport and Sport Plus. Might post up the question on PH

Sport Plus is only on PDK cars and it's launch control + quicker more aggressive short gear shifts and 7th gear locked out Can only be used in manual mode because if you leave it in auto sport plus it won't shift up a gear until you hit the red line As I drive mine in manual mode only I can play with sport plus providing I am not on a motorway where I would want to shift up into 7th of course [] []

 

[spyderwhite]

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan Not really as VINS are different for LHD and RHD and any specific country, so how can that be worked out? Also it depends if numbers were consecutive or whether there were gaps or missing production numbers. Nobody really knows how Porsche number there cars and I'm pretty sure it isn't straightforward []

i was always led to believe there are 2 sets of numbers north america and rest of world.wether a car is left or right hand drive makes no difference ie the sequence of numbers we have in the uk are shared with germany or australia etc where as north america has its own numbers.and it must be a good indicator as if i recall ROW for spyder went circa 0990 for 2011 model year and circa 0200 for 2012 model year and NA circa 0600 for 2011my and 0140 2012my.my car is a 2012my built end of june 2011 and is one of the last batch ever built,likewise if you have a CR and the last 4 digits are 1600+ it was one of the last batch to be built

 

[Andy Fagan]

ORIGINAL: spyderwhite

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan Not really as VINS are different for LHD and RHD and any specific country, so how can that be worked out? Also it depends if numbers were consecutive or whether there were gaps or missing production numbers. Nobody really knows how Porsche number there cars and I'm pretty sure it isn't straightforward []

i was always led to believe there are 2 sets of numbers north america and rest of world.wether a car is left or right hand drive makes no difference ie the sequence of numbers we have in the uk are shared with germany or australia etc where as north america has its own numbers.and it must be a good indicator as if i recall ROW for spyder went circa 0990 for 2011 model year and circa 0200 for 2012 model year and NA circa 0600 for 2011my and 0140 2012my.my car is a 2012my built end of june 2011 and is one of the last batch ever built,likewise if you have a CR and the last 4 digits are 1600+ it was one of the last batch to be built

Mine is 1577 and was registered in March 2012. It was ordered by the 1st owner so I assume was built for him too, but in any case there are too may hearsay's, "circa's" and "if I recalls" or "I was lead to believes" regarding the VIN's to actually be believed. There are many conflicting theories about them on virtually all Porsche themed forums and elsewhere on the internet so I guess the only way we'll know for sure is if Porsche publish the facts. PS: You are also assuming that the VIN's started at 0000. Do you know that for sure?

 

[spyderwhite]

the last cayman R rolled off production line late feb 2012 so your car would have most definately been one of the last batch built in late jan 2012/early feb 2012, the highest number cr i have seen advertised in the uk is 1636.i know there are a lot of circas but i cannot be bothered to look for what i researched when i was off for 3 months with a broken foot in spring 2012 when i spent hours trawling the internet .but i bet i am close on 5000 crs ,they sold very well in the states compared to row.yes we dont know for sure where the numbers started or if any are missing but the chassis numbers give us a rough idea of how many were built

 

[Andy Fagan]

ORIGINAL: spyderwhite the last cayman R rolled off production line late feb 2012 so your car would have most definately been one of the last batch built in late jan 2012/early feb 2012, the highest number cr i have seen advertised in the uk is 1636.i know there are a lot of circas but i cannot be bothered to look for what i researched when i was off for 3 months with a broken foot in spring 2012 when i spent hours trawling the internet .but i bet i am close on 5000 crs ,they sold very well in the states compared to row.yes we dont know for sure where the numbers started or if any are missing but the chassis numbers give us a rough idea of how many were built

I just think 5000 is a big number. Someone mentioned that they see more CR's on the road than Spyders but that is always going to be the case as the Spyders tend to be hidden away in garages until the sun comes out (Except Cecil) []

 

[flat6]

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[philnotts99]

V nice !!

 

[Andy Fagan]

ORIGINAL: flat6 []

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[daro911]

Interesting video here on the workings of a dual clutch gearbox[] Like it or not it is here and for the indefinite future too http://www.automatic-gearbox.co.uk/dsg%20automatic%20gearboxes.html

 

[Andy Fagan]

ORIGINAL: daro911 [] Like it or not it is here and for the indefinite future too

That's great!! It will make the manual versions more desirable as the last proper drivers Porsches [][][]

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan

ORIGINAL: daro911 [] Like it or not it is here and for the indefinite future too

That's great!! It will make the manual versions more desirable as the last proper drivers Porsches [][][]

You only have to check the price differences for a 360 or 430 manual v F1 single clutch systems that are no longer made for the answer to that one[] Fortunately for the Porsche manual owners those classic superb gearboxes and clutches will have a strong following for decades come

 

[MrDemon]

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan

ORIGINAL: daro911 [] Like it or not it is here and for the indefinite future too

That's great!! It will make the manual versions more desirable as the last proper drivers Porsches [][][]

As the PDK owners will move their cars on for the lastest and greatest, soon the thread will be all manual owners Every new member the last few months is a manual owner. Roll on a PDK only 981 Spyder, the draw will be too much for them ;-)

 

[MrDemon]

The only car I hanker for is a f430 I would buy F1 box shock horror. No one seems to want a manual f430 and they are tough to sell The f430 is said to be the best single clutch system though. A client of mind though just bought a 575 in manual and he had to pay a 10k over head to get a manual.

 

[rob.kellock]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon Every new member the last few months is a manual owner.

Good to see our founding member buck the trend then [] Life would be dull if we all liked the same.

 

[philnotts99]

Has anyone put there name down for 981 Spyder at there OPC out of interest?

 

[MrDemon]

I would say they will not make one. If they do it's a long way off and will be at the end of a face lift change ie could be over 5 years away. Fingers crossed one will not come up. I do think they will make a new Cayman R though so what will Porsche do to the Boxster to sell along side that ? You can buy a GTS from August time and if you spec x73 option and buckets you are not far off weight wise. They may ditch the R also and make a car like the 968 CS in the cayman.

 

[philnotts99]

I think its going to be interesting to see what happens in the next 2-3 years time with the GTS model coming out and maybe a 981 Spyder ( you never know ). I wonder if the Spyder prices will take a dip when the GTS is released. Phil

 

[flat6]

I think Porsche isn't publishing the sales figures for the Spyder because it was supposed to be a standard model rather than a limited production run and it didn't meet sales targets. Maybe in the future as a classic they will reveal it but for now maybe some senior egos were dented... I agree that a 981 Spyder is probably a long way off as a run out model for the 981, maybe even 981 gen 2 run-out model. If that's the case the 987 and 981 Spyders will be so far apart that the buyers will be different and the 987 Spyder's value at that time will be less likely to be affected than if a 981 Spyder was introduced in a couple of years I think. I also agree that a Cayman R using the ingredients of the last one won't cut it as the 981 is virtually all aluminium and weight savings will be little. They'll have to go further to justify it over a GTS with X73. However, the Spyder is partly about its unique looks and much of its weight saving is in the roof, so perhaps a 981 Spyder is easier to develop (as in easier to justify without stepping on the Carrera's toes) than a Cayman Clubsport which will have to go 'further' in performance development over a GTS. But I think a Cayman Clubsport would be so much more successful in the NEW* car market than the Spyder. Maybe the recent interest in the 987 Spyder will make them want to try again with a 981 Spyder. However, if that is many years away, the buyers who woke up to the 987 Spyder might not be in that market any more and 981 typical buyers of that time may not want manual roofs, so sales may flop again. Also, who buys these cars? People with £55K to spend on a new car or people with £40K to spend on a used car? Our Spyder is selling well as a used car but didn't as a NEW* car. Will people with a £55K budget want to buy a brand new car with a manual roof? I dunno. Lots of car enthusiats seem to buy used cars (no evidence to back that up but has anyone on here bought a brand new Spyder except rob.kellock, Andrew Killington and daro911's brother). But the supply of £40K used Spyders depends on people buying them new to supply the used car market. Porsche will be thinking about how many people will BUY a NEW one, not how many people would like to see them make one.