Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[MrDemon]

nope may even go up again, it's a very bespoke driver focused car and the only Boxster Porsche have made this bespoke. I am hoping the prices go the way any bespoke 911 goes. ok out of new pics now, will have to post an old one, til the suns comes out.

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan

ORIGINAL: daro911 [] Like it or not it is here and for the indefinite future too

That's great!! It will make the manual versions more desirable as the last proper drivers Porsches [][][]

You only have to check the price differences for a 360 or 430 manual v F1 single clutch systems that are no longer made for the answer to that one[] Fortunately for the Porsche manual owners those classic superb gearboxes and clutches will have a strong following for decades come

If anyone's interested, that pic shows the degree of reduced movement if you get the short shifter[]

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Strasse ads always interesting on the back cover of Porsche Post. I always felt if they go to so much trouble with their ads the cars should be OK.

Yeah their ads on the back are pretty cool. I've never been to them but they built a Cayman race car for a Chris in PCGB, so they must know their Porsches.

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: flat6 I think Porsche isn't publishing the sales figures for the Spyder because it was supposed to be a standard model rather than a limited production run and it didn't meet sales targets. Maybe in the future as a classic they will reveal it but for now maybe some senior egos were dented... I agree that a 981 Spyder is probably a long way off as a run out model for the 981, maybe even 981 gen 2 run-out model. If that's the case the 987 and 981 Spyders will be so far apart that the buyers will be different and the 987 Spyder's value at that time will be less likely to be affected than if a 981 Spyder was introduced in a couple of years I think. I also agree that a Cayman R using the ingredients of the last one won't cut it as the 981 is virtually all aluminium and weight savings will be little. They'll have to go further to justify it over a GTS with X73 Sport Chassis. However, the Spyder is partly about its unique looks and much of its weight saving is in the roof, so perhaps a 981 Spyder is easier to develop (as in easier to justify without stepping on the Carrera's toes) than a Cayman Clubsport which will have to go 'further' in performance development over a GTS. But I think a Cayman Clubsport would be so much more successful in the NEW* car market than the Spyder. Maybe the recent interest in the 987 Spyder will make them want to try again with a 981 Spyder. However, if that is many years away, the buyers who woke up to the 987 Spyder might not be in that market any more and 981 typical buyers of that time may not want manual roofs, so sales may flop again. Also, who buys these cars? People with £55K to spend on a new car or people with £40K to spend on a used car? Our Spyder is selling well as a used car but didn't as a NEW* car. Will people with a £55K budget want to buy a brand new car with a manual roof? I dunno. Lots of car enthusiats seem to buy used cars (no evidence to back that up but has anyone on here bought a brand new Spyder except rob.kellock, Andrew Killington and daro911's brother). But the supply of £40K used Spyders depends on people buying them new to supply the used car market. Porsche will be thinking about how many people will BUY a NEW one, not how many people would like to see them make one.

P.S. All in all, I think the 987 Spyder is pretty safe no matter what happens. It has a pretty strong following. But who reckons that the launch of the X73 Sports Chassis leaves little room for a differentiator on the 981?

 

[rob.kellock]

Sports chassis has been an option for ages on 981. Chap on Pistonheads just took delivery of a Cayman one. GTS is coming with PASM which probably suits the 981 well. Ironically, the way the market has gone, I have probably lost less in depreciation on my Spyder than I would have done had I kept my Carrera 4! Hope the Cambridge car sells quick!

 

[billy1]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock

ORIGINAL: MrDemon Every new member the last few months is a manual owner.

Good to see our founding member buck the trend then [] Life would be dull if we all liked the same.

I'm also pretty sure that isn't true. Siy and Big E are both PDK cars I believe.

 

[billy1]

ORIGINAL: flat6 Maybe the recent interest in the 987 Spyder will make them want to try again with a 981 Spyder. However, if that is many years away, the buyers who woke up to the 987 Spyder might not be in that market any more and 981 typical buyers of that time may not want manual roofs, so sales may flop again. Also, who buys these cars? People with £55K to spend on a new car or people with £40K to spend on a used car? Our Spyder is selling well as a used car but didn't as a NEW* car. Will people with a £55K budget want to buy a brand new car with a manual roof? I dunno. Lots of car enthusiats seem to buy used cars (no evidence to back that up but has anyone on here bought a brand new Spyder except rob.kellock, Andrew Killington and daro911's brother). But the supply of £40K used Spyders depends on people buying them new to supply the used car market. Porsche will be thinking about how many people will BUY a NEW one, not how many people would like to see them make one.

Pricing of the Spyder is very interesting indeed. At £60k they struggled to sell them. After three years, however, they are well above the usual 50% depreciation rate (i.e apart from one notable, high miles example, I'm yet to see a Spyder advertised starting with a 2). In my view the former directly lead to the latter - there being lack of supply in the used market due to poor sales when new. Added to this a fair amount of used-car-hype, £30-40k being an interesting price level for comparative cars (i.e. there aren't any) and second (or third) owners being true, long-term enthusiasts.

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Sports chassis has been an option for ages on 981. Chap on Pistonheads just took delivery of a Cayman one. GTS is coming with PASM which probably suits the 981 well. Ironically, the way the market has gone, I have probably lost less in depreciation on my Spyder than I would have done had I kept my Carrera 4! Hope the Cambridge car sells quick!

Yep, the Sport Chassis being an option on the standard 981 says to me, how will a bespoke 981 variant like a 981 Spyder drive any different to the standard car. Therefore, what will be the major differentiator over the standard 981 if they make a 981 Spyder? Much of how our Spyder drives is down to the chassis. The rest is weight saving but how much weight can they save on the 981.

 

[rob.kellock]

Presumably they can still save weight from a 981 if they removed the electric roof, fit light wheels, remove interior door handles, aircon, radio, fat boy sports seats etc. []

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: flat6

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Sports chassis has been an option for ages on 981. Chap on Pistonheads just took delivery of a Cayman one. GTS is coming with PASM which probably suits the 981 well. Ironically, the way the market has gone, I have probably lost less in depreciation on my Spyder than I would have done had I kept my Carrera 4! Hope the Cambridge car sells quick!

Yep, the Sport Chassis being an option on the standard 981 says to me, how will a bespoke 981 variant like a 981 Spyder drive any different to the standard car. Therefore, what will be the major differentiator over the standard 981 if they make a 981 Spyder? Much of how our Spyder drives is down to the chassis. The rest is weight saving but how much weight can they save on the 981.

981 with Sports Chassis is all bar a 987 Spyder although my money says around a track & twisty B roads I bet if it isn't quicker it's a lot less work to achieve similar results. However whilst eeking out 80+kg on a 981 Spyder may not be doable unless Porsche invest in ali front and rear wings there is plenty of excess left to be trimmed by saving from up high i.e. the roof The unique Spyder rear end, which is a design trade mark now and the extra bhp to at least match the GTS Boxster or if they had any real balls to match the Cayman GTS[] add back another set of super lightweight wheels and naturally a pair of buckets ... job done again[] Of course they will ditch the radio and air con but as we know apart from a few examples these get tick boxed straight back on again kachung kachung[] When would all this come to pass if at all .... last 2 years of life for the 981 Gen 2 so circa 2017/18[]

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Presumably they can still save weight from a 981 if they removed the electric roof, fit light wheels, remove interior door handles, aircon, radio, fat boy sports seats etc. []

The roof (21kg), seats (15kg) and aluminium doors (15kg) were the big items last time. 981 has aluminium doors. The the roof and seats will contribute a lot still, plus the other bits and bobs. My point was, with [potentially] less weight saving and with the 981 already using the Sport Chassis, would a 981 Spyder feel much different to a standard 981 with Sports Chassis? Yes all weight saving is a bonus to handling but the 987 Spyder's chassis played a huge part too...

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: flat6

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Presumably they can still save weight from a 981 if they removed the electric roof, fit light wheels, remove interior door handles, aircon, radio, fat boy sports seats etc. []

The roof (21kg), seats (15kg) and aluminium doors (15kg) were the big items last time. 981 has aluminium doors. The the roof and seats will contribute a lot still, plus the other bits and bobs. My point was, with [potentially] less weight saving and with the 981 already using the Sport Chassis, would a 981 Spyder feel much different to a standard 981 with Sports Chassis? Yes all weight saving is a bonus to handling but the 987 Spyder's chassis played a huge part too...

flat6 a 981 with latest design sport chassis might already make the 987 Spyder "seat of the pants experience" feel dated! So add back the Spyder look and the weight savings listed plus a good weight saving if front and rear wings were ali too and you might just end up with the best looking, driving, handling 981 ever made.

 

[Siy]

ORIGINAL: billy1

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock

ORIGINAL: MrDemon Every new member the last few months is a manual owner.

Good to see our founding member buck the trend then [] Life would be dull if we all liked the same.

I'm also pretty sure that isn't true. Siy and Big E are both PDK cars I believe.

Yup... and also I was one of those chaps that bought (and sold) my F430 in manual guise.. it was definitely slower than the F1... but that open gate gearbox was the thing of dreams!

 

[MrDemon]

do you miss the F430 drama now ? or now you have the Spyder are you 100% happy

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon do you miss the F430 drama now ? or now you have the Spyder are you 100% happy

Siy is probably 100% happy because he has a PDK[][][]

 

[Siy]

Good question.... F430 truthfully was an awesome car... and it really had the drama... the sound was incredible... the drive fantastic. I would say with the Spyder, I am about 90% as happy as I was - (but then again, its around 50% of the price - so not a bad ratio!) What I think is pertinent, is that the Spyder is much more 'driveable' at road speeds... ie, you can get a bit nearer to the edge. The 430 was just too fast really (although great fun)... but you would reach the legal limit before you could blink. I am a die hard manual fan - who has been converted to pdk .... I will go back to the F again... and would probably go F1 (will have to if I try a California)... I do think the PDK is great now that I have lived with it... I used to love the short shift kit in my old 997 C4S's...PDK is damn good though. Each to their own... there is no right or wrong in my opinion. Now that I have had both, I would take either... I am more interested in getting the right car with the right mileage/history.. plus other options - Gearboxes... am happy with either!

 

[MrDemon]

I had a bit of a naughty race with a F430 last week end, and they don't pull away that much in real terms. I find the Spyder to be very fast to 90mph or so, and very easy to be going too fast really to pull 1/2 a second is not that much of a gap esp as the F430 was 2 up and I was on my own. (in my R though not Spyder, that green sticks out and the Ferrari boys were eyeing it up) The amount of crap the diffuser kicked up though was crazy like being in a sand storm, so let off the gas because of the dust/dirt it kicked up. but any modern sports car hits over 70mph in a blink of an eye even our little toys.

 

[kenneth ritchie]

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan

ORIGINAL: spyderwhite the last cayman R rolled off production line late feb 2012 so your car would have most definately been one of the last batch built in late jan 2012/early feb 2012, the highest number cr i have seen advertised in the uk is 1636.i know there are a lot of circas but i cannot be bothered to look for what i researched when i was off for 3 months with a broken foot in spring 2012 when i spent hours trawling the internet .but i bet i am close on 5000 crs ,they sold very well in the states compared to row.yes we dont know for sure where the numbers started or if any are missing but the chassis numbers give us a rough idea of how many were built

I just think 5000 is a big number. Someone mentioned that they see more CR's on the road than Spyders but that is always going to be the case as the Spyders tend to be hidden away in garages until the sun comes out (Except Cecil) []

All sounds very confusing to me...... but maybe someone can tell me approx when my Spyder was made, registerd 10/Jan/11 VIn is WP0ZZZ98ZBS740830 Kenny Spyder

 

[kenneth ritchie]

ORIGINAL: flat6

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock Strasse ads always interesting on the back cover of Porsche Post. I always felt if they go to so much trouble with their ads the cars should be OK.

Yeah their ads on the back are pretty cool. I've never been to them but they built a Cayman race car for a Chris in PCGB, so they must know their Porsches.

Bought my 997 GT3 RS from Dave at Strasse and they were excellent, also gave me fair trade in price for my 996 GT3 Kenny Spyder

 

[Andy Fagan]

ORIGINAL: kenneth ritchie

ORIGINAL: Andy Fagan

ORIGINAL: spyderwhite the last cayman R rolled off production line late feb 2012 so your car would have most definately been one of the last batch built in late jan 2012/early feb 2012, the highest number cr i have seen advertised in the uk is 1636.i know there are a lot of circas but i cannot be bothered to look for what i researched when i was off for 3 months with a broken foot in spring 2012 when i spent hours trawling the internet .but i bet i am close on 5000 crs ,they sold very well in the states compared to row.yes we dont know for sure where the numbers started or if any are missing but the chassis numbers give us a rough idea of how many were built

I just think 5000 is a big number. Someone mentioned that they see more CR's on the road than Spyders but that is always going to be the case as the Spyders tend to be hidden away in garages until the sun comes out (Except Cecil) []

All sounds very confusing to me...... but maybe someone can tell me approx when my Spyder was made, registerd 10/Jan/11 VIn is WP0ZZZ98ZBS740830 Kenny Spyder

Was manufactured 2011 so must have been fresh from factory