Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[MrDemon]

The Spyder never gets the back out if set up right in the dry. So yes if it did let go you would have to be quick. The R does because it has stiffer springs and a stiffer rear ARB. One of my winter projects is maybe fit the R ARB to a Spyder and see what happens, Or there is a new ajustable ARB kit designed for 987.2 cars. I might get one of those kits and try that. While I don't fully agree with this clip, it does show the R to be more tail happy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4YwG2wD69P4 I think the Spyder does need some adjustment to move the bias rear a little. My tyres have so much grip, race maxx and super sports, the cars never let's go PSM always cuts in even when off due the the large amounts of tyre grip both my cars have. I have done massive drifts in the wet at bruntingthorpe and it's a hard skill to master in a mid engine car, when it does spin, PSM has a paddy, seems to spin you more and then comes up PSM fail on the dash. I drive both cars PSM off 100% of the time.

 

[Sandy59]

Interesting, thanks guys.

 

[Andy Fagan]

This guy is having fun!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy20LE63kfg

 

[MrDemon]

So close to binning that on 2nd lap, super Slippy track.

 

[Andy Fagan]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon So close to binning that on 2nd lap, super Slippy track.

Yeah I saw that [] I think he frightened himself as well as the passenger!!

 

[daro911]

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[daro911]

Probably lighter and definitely sounds more useless than our Sun Cap set up [] Designed as a true roadster, the car was not provided with a true roof but instead a canvas canopy the driver had to put up themselves, cautioned by Ferrari against use above 70mph. - See more at: http://www.simonfurlonger.co.uk/docs2/cars/EupyZFZAAuVTsHsVuA.shtml#prettyPhoto

 

[MrDemon]

A new SPyder review in 2014,, ofcourse he does not want PDK or AC [] but bar that rare to see 2014 reviews. http://youtu.be/EE5l4wTd-CU I like his "I think it would much better and more interesting with a 6 speed manual" quote

 

[tyinsky]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon The Spyder never gets the back out if set up right in the dry. So yes if it did let go you would have to be quick.

This isn't true. Both points.

 

[kitchens]

ORIGINAL: daro911 Probably lighter and definitely sounds more useless than our Sun Cap set up [] Designed as a true roadster, the car was not provided with a true roof but instead a canvas canopy the driver had to put up themselves, cautioned by Ferrari against use above 70mph. - See more at: http://www.simonfurlonger.co.uk/docs2/cars/EupyZFZAAuVTsHsVuA.shtml#prettyPhoto

I think some owner on here can testify it is good for over 124mph []

 

[MrDemon]

It's true on my car, so you cannot say it's not true as you have never driven it maybe I should have said "my Spyder" and not "the Spyder" I would get your car geo looked at then and what tyres are on it (prob got P zero's on it...), I have had mine 2.5 years, done, Donnington, Bedworth, Angelsey and Spa track days, plus how fast timed days, the car is as stable as anything with a mild case of understeer and that's even with my maxed out Camber front spacers and zero toe in at the front. you have had your car 2 months, prob not taken the roof off and I guess have not been on track yet. infact on the 1st few days of owning your car you were asking about PSM issues (again points to your geo's off or shit tyres) I have so much grip at speed (easy pulling over 1g corner force) the PSM light comes on even when tuned off, the rears planted and not going any where. The PSM is cutting in before I have lost full grip, due to the massive grip I have on my car. while you don't have to be as quick in the Spyder to catch it in the damp as a Lotus say, you still have to be awake in any mid engine car. I have heard of 1 other owner saying the cars a bit lively , but I would have to say these cars geo's are out. of course if you want to lift off and unsettle the car and get it to slide that's another story (as you are ready for it), but with the car set up right it has so much grip to loose the back end would be very very hard and you would be going very fast with >1g acting on the car, so when that traction has gone the forces on the car are so great it's a lot harder to catch. the vid of the gokart track I posted backs up my points as there is no tail happy fun even on the tight kart track from the SPyder.

 

[clubsport]

That review is bizarre...I wouldn't really pay much attention to the guys opinion at all..... Keep away from the pie shop for a few days will be of more benefit than ali doors ever will be! [] The US warranty is certainly impressive though isn't it? This morning I spoke with the new owner of the "higher" mileage black, turbo wheeled, pdk Spyder which sold recently. He is a friend of the guy who bought VroomM 's silver Spyder...he was so impressed with that car he had to have one! A few track days and another trip to the ring are planned, mileage is not so much an issue as he will drive and enjoy using the car...imagine that?! []

 

[tyinsky]

So you have messed with the camber, changed the toe, added some aftermarket spacers? No wonder it handles differently. Not saying your car handles badly for all your personal tinkering, just different to how Porsche with their massive experience and knowledge set the Spyder up (for road use). Good for you Mr Demon. Back steps out on the standard car as set up by the factory. I like it that way. On Michelins. PSM I noticed cutting in/suspected it was cutting in while turned off, hence the question. Apparently that's normal. To me 'off' should mean 'off'. Question wasn't related to geometry. Did take the roof off briefly. Got out looking like some strange clone between Bobby Charlton and Ken Dodd. If I'd been wearing a wig that day I would of lost it for sure.

 

[tyinsky]

ORIGINAL: kitchens

ORIGINAL: daro911 Probably lighter and definitely sounds more useless than our Sun Cap set up [] Designed as a true roadster, the car was not provided with a true roof but instead a canvas canopy the driver had to put up themselves, cautioned by Ferrari against use above 70mph. - See more at: http://www.simonfurlonger.co.uk/docs2/cars/EupyZFZAAuVTsHsVuA.shtml#prettyPhoto

I think some owner on here can testify it is good for over 124mph []

140-something with no issues.

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: CLIFFWILKINS for an everyday car these rules dont apply use and enjoy it get your monies worth change it in 3 years time Horses for courses

Agreed. Also, I think buying a higher mileage car is a good idea if you intend to put lots of miles on it rather than trying to even it back out into a low average mileage over a number of years. If you intend to use the car a lot and get your money's worth, you can worry less about mileage if you've bought a cheaper car that already has a mileage depreciation hit. Buying a super low mileage car and then putting loads of miles on it (which is what I did) can also work OK if you don't put on too many. I did just over 20K miles in 2 years but as the car had low mileage to start with it worked out OK. But if it had had say, 12,000 miles on it already I would have ended up quite high and I would have lost too much. Personally a Spyder with 40K miles on it is not for me, but for someone who wants to drive around Europe and keep the car for years and not care about mileage, might be a good idea rather than buying a more expensive low mileage car and eroding all the value with high miles. Someone focussed on future value and looking to lower its average mileage over years by not driving it, well, they'll be in a dilemma of always watching the miles and not enjoying it, whilst their car will still be considered high mileage against the best preserved cars. Cars are for driving imho and if I want to keep a low mileage car with half a view to keeping it on towards being a classic, i'd buy one that someone else has chosen not to drive - I couldn't wait it out myself[] My turbo has only 11,000 miles at 8 years old. Thanks to the THREE previous owners who didn't drive it and presented the perfect car for me. But I sure know I couldn't have done that![]

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: flat6

ORIGINAL: CLIFFWILKINS for an everyday car these rules dont apply use and enjoy it get your monies worth change it in 3 years time Horses for courses

Cars are for driving imho and if I want to keep a low mileage car with half a view to keeping it on towards being a classic, i'd buy one that someone else has chosen not to drive - I couldn't wait it out myself[] My turbo has only 11,000 miles at 8 years old. Thanks to the THREE previous owners who didn't drive it and presented the perfect car for me. But I sure know I couldn't have done that![]

So is it your daily driver now [][] []

 

[geoff lane]

I have a similar problem with my car increasing in value I really should turn it into a Garage Queen keep it in a temp controlled garage etc, these cars are just so good to drive it seems a shame not to use it as intended. This year it has been to France twice once on a PCGB driving tour and then to Le Mans both great fun and having owned the car now for over a year I have put just over 6000 miles on it mostly on PCGB organized events. I have to decide on the correct balance between increasing value and driving thrills. We are probably looking at about 4 / 5k miles per year and next years club trip to IOM looks very attractive for my car and so it goes on, while I own it I cannot see it becoming a Garage Queen, its the best car I've ever owned by a margin and I just love driving it. Horses for courses but surely its why we own Porsches. Geoff

 

[billy1]

I didn't buy the car to make a profit - I'm not going to not drive it so as to make the unexpected profit (if any!) bigger. It's not an investment - as soon as you treat it as such you'll not use it - where is the value in that? If, at the end of the day, it wipes its face that is frankly incredible for a modern car. If it's paid me a few £ to own it then great, if not then at least I've had the fun of using it as intended.

 

[flat6]

I hear you Geoff. If this one is too much fun to park up then consider the fun you get from it to be worth the cost of ownership. What I lost on the Spyder was obviously more than if I had parked it up more but it was much less than it would have cost to buy a little daily driver and run it for 2 years solely for the purpose of preserving the Porsche, so I was happy. Also, if one ends up in 2 mindsets it can stifle the enjoyment. If one ends up watching a car's value for longer term investment (by longer term I mean 10yrs+) but ends up getting an itch to change after 2 years, then you might as well have made the most of those 2 years if 2 year's mileage isn't that great. I thought the Spyder was going to be with me forever, but then 2 years later the itch I had to scratch was 'more power please' (we're all different). So I'm glad I didn't park the Spyder up for investment and then bail after 2 years before it becomes worth £1million in 30 years. Daro, the turbo isn't a daily driver for a few reasons. I ended up buying a daily driver for karting transportation. I made a conscious decision to pull out of car buying with a view to throwing any spare cash into my son's karting for the next however many years. So I thought I better choose something that'll keep me amused. For me the turbo is that car. Don't care what is faster. I wanted that kind of performance in an 'older' 911 package (not too many driver aids and that old Mezger, unrefined growl) so it's the perfect car for me. So this one is a keeper. Turbos take a long time to mature into valuable classics because they're not limited production and because during their life they're seen as the heavy cousin compared to the GT3, so I'm not even watching the value and classic status. But they do tend to get there in the end as they are a damn good GT car and much more capable than any Ferrari that designed more for road use e.g. 575. So I guess the last of the Mezger turbos will have some desirability in a few decades - longer than it'll take the Spyder lol. I do admit that by not having as a daily driver, it does make the weekend use feel more novel each time. But that is cutting out the daily peak hour commute etc which is no fun. If I was racking up thousands of fun miles across Europe I think I'd take that over watching its value, in case I decide to bail again lol. You only live once and there's no way I'm going to focus on ensuring a car has a better life and is in better condition than me going into old age[] If I get lucky and fall on a car that becomes a classic then good, but surely some of the best classics that come to market haven't been that much fun for the first owner who didn't drive it, unless their sole hobby is to preserve the car. The second or third owner who spots it as an investment gains more. If I was a classic car investor I would be looking to buy into the right car at the right time (when it is just showing signs of a cult following and value increase creeping in). I would not be looking to home grow a classic from new or nearly new because the cost of running the car for 20years would erode most profit anyway I guess.

 

[flat6]

You read these stories where someone is selling off a car that belonged to a dead relative and the car hasn't turned a wheel in 20 years and is showroom condition. The investor swoops in and buys it, holds it for 2 years and makes a killing. That's how its done. The first owner probably spent thousands on his obsession and left the car in better health than himself, and not a penny left for his relatives until they sell it anyway[8|]