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]Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!
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Question for those who have had the Spyder longer than me/are better drivers than me (which will be most people). I did a late night airport run last night along the motorway, didn't seem to be raining heavy but there was a fair bit of standing water making the car twitchy when I hit it. Road was mostly empty but at the point the highlight of my journey happened I was starting to approach another car to creep past, and I hit water which I doubt was all that deep and sent my heart rate into orbit hoping the car was not going to spin in one direction or the other as it gathered itself. The tyres are getting low, still very much legal but probably close to being replaced. Pilot Sports. For some reason I had the 'sport' button on, which I normally don't even touch - not really sure what it does apart from change the feel of the throttle inputs. Does this make things worse in these types of conditions. Just seemed the car was very sensitive to small amounts of standing water (it was not a heavy downpour, maybe just raining for a while). After I turned the sport button off it did not seem as bad but still noticeable. Me being more careful or the electronics sorting out the mess? No silly speeds involved. 60-85. Possibly a touch over 90 when passing the other car at the point when it happened (all kph of course!). No heavy footed acceleration either - I was creeping past. To be clear, not had this issue with it until now but not really driven it in those conditions either. The car has always felt incredibly predictable and sure footed, and very easy to drive quickly when in the dry and the not so wet. Are they all like this? What's to blame apart from me?
spyderwhite
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Most likely the water was deeper(earlier heavy down pour perhaps)than you thought!this happened to me many years ago (a slight dip in the road caused more standing water than the rest of the road)so I tend to drive with more caution in the rain now and especially with the heavy downpours of late!also the tyres most likely didn't help!
PS2 are bad in the wet, the best N spec in the dry, but the worse N spec in the wet. I still say Super sports are amazing dry and wet, and worth the non N spec aspect esp if you run in the wet. also PS2 and low tread ie below 2mm is just not going to clear water. to quote a review "Positive: Giving the fastest time in the dry handling test the Michelin is the sportiest tyre of the group. Excellent steering feel makes this a tyre for drivers Negative: Slightly weak aquaplaning results " the PSS make the PS2 look very old and very dated
As had been said, when your tread is low it won't clear as much water as when new. As your tyres get older, if you're driving at speed you'll expose more that your tyres are getting older than when you're driving at lower speeds and really should consider that. As your tread blocks get shallower you are probably noticing no drop off in performance when it's dry (in theory could improve dry performance) but that will give you no indication of how the tyre peformance is deteriorating in the wet. Even with newer tyres, the mid-engined layout is a little bit prone to wheelspin when grip levels are low. I had that more with my gen 1 Cayman than the Spyder, on very cold-wet days, but it can happen.
Do as Daro 911 does do not take it out in the wet that will sort the problem...simples [][] Joking aside most has been said ...standing water will catch most cars out .I believe that PSS will be available as N rated soon according to some post I have read ...do not want to get into a debate as to which are best, each have their own favourites same as Manual via PDK .[] This post does not accept replies[]
][] Joking aside most has been said ...standing water will catch most cars out .I believe that PSS will be available as N rated soon according to some post I have read ...do not want to get into a debate as to which are best, each have their own favourites same as Manual via PDK .[] This post does not accept replies[]
Kitchens that's how I managed 10/10 for inside wheel arches at the National Concours last month [ORIGINAL: kitchens Do as Daro 911 does do not take it out in the wet that will sort the problem...simples [
]... simples indeed - Even the official factory brochure kept it dry during a downpour [] 
Tyinsky, the key point you make is "the tyres are getting low". Relatively wide tyres and low tread level are the major factors to aqua planing on wet roads. If the tyres are legal and you mainly use a car in the dry on sunny days, not such a problem. If you plan to use it through the winter, spending money on new tyres could ending up saving you both hassle and a few quid.
you will find they will still be £300 over for a full set and I get 20%+ off at Porsche, RRP on a N spec from Porsche is crazy money. you would have to be mad to fit N spec imo though, ruins the car. I know Porsche have started to N spec goodyear Eagle F1 on the 981 see if you can get them over any of the old crap people fit. Or just do yourself a favour and fit PSS. Pzero PS2 Bridgestones are all a very old dated design for the 987.2 shame so many people are to scared to swap those 3 tyres out for something current. PS could also save your life, or the life of that kid who jumps out in front of the car at 25mph in town. but on this forum I only know of 2 cars not running one of those 3 main tyres :-( as for the "do not want to get into a debate as to which are best" comment, there is no debate, PSS are far far superior tyres to any thing N spec. (Bar CUP 2's which you can get N spec in some sizes)
I would say that if you're not going N rated then Pirelli Trofeo are by far the best performing tyre, however they do wear very quickly but out perform the PSS by a long way. I also find that the PSS have very unpredictable and snatchy break away. I have a set of both and have tried them back to back on road and track.
Well I would take Andy's advice over other's since he has sampled both in conditions that my style of driving and ability would never match up to. The problem arises when you want to add any OPC warranty to the car both of these would be a no no . Just did a quick price check Michelin PS2 for the Spyder N2 rated are supply only £770 My Tyres ..... the Pirelli Trofeo just for a rear are £300 but did notice some one on Ebay selling 2 for £300 brand new ?
Incorrect. I don't make things up![
] On 3 different occasions I've had 3 different OPC's price match the cheapest online quote I could find and I do know my way around the Internet. I wasn't a special customer at any of them. I didn't go for 10 or 20% it was price match to the cheapest. I'm not entering the none N spec debate as I don't know anything about them, just saying that OPC's price matched on the tyres I chose, including fitting.
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This has also been my experience three times in last 2 yearsORIGINAL: flat6Incorrect. I don't make things up
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