Thanks MrD. The only bit I don't get is why quicker lap times don't go hand in hand with something like the GT4, especially if it is geared towards competition. OK I can understand that if someone finds stick shift more involving then they would choose it for their track day car, but in racing you want the tools that will optimise your competitiveness. I think if it is manual only and the car is geared towards GT4 amateur racers then it's probably also to do with the cost of a PDK transmission robust enough to go racing, particularly if it's not a serviceable unit and is supposed to last the life of the car. Porsche developed PDK over 30 years ago for racing but couldn't put it in a road car until recently as it didn't have the longevity. The couldn't run an expensive service plan or replacement plan on GT4 racers if they are to race with PDK, unless they put a very expensive, very robust PDK transmission in it that can be warranted for a high number of race miles for a reasonable number of years. So perhaps if this new car is going to be pushed as a GT4 race ready car, then it 'has' to be manual?
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I think that the long delay in Porsche getting the PDK into production was more to do with acceptable refinement rather than durabiltiy issues 6. Plus, if the PDK box can withstand the torque transmitted by the 991 Turbo S, I'm sure that there shouldn't be too many concerns about its durabilty in the GT4. Although the manual may well be the choice of 'box for serious racers, the street and track-day boys may well favour the PDK 'box; and they'll be the majority purchasers. Porsche will always be looking at profitability and circa £2k for the PDK option is not to be sniffed at. Jeff
You are not wrong - see GTS model with additional central radiator. I will have to watch it on Wednesday [
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Nice write up in the latest GT Porsche Mag on the Cayman R. Looks like one of my Porsches might actually be going up in value in the future.[] Make a nice change making a few quid rather than losing shed loads. [8|] Why not its rare and a cracking car.[] Cliff
] Make a nice change making a few quid rather than losing shed loads. [8|] Why not its rare and a cracking car.[] Cliff
just dont tell Alan[ORIGINAL: CLIFFWILKINS Nice write up in the latest GT Porsche Mag on the Cayman R. Looks like one of my Porsches might actually be going up in value in the future.[
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Could a Cayman not take the 991 Turbo engine and cover a niche below the 458 at a cost that many more could afford. If possible and I think it should be it sounds like a winner to me.
You are right but Porsche don't need to offer another performance car in the £100k bracket. They've got GT3, GT3RS, Turbo, Turbo S and occasionally GT2 and GT2 RS. They want to enter the £200K space. Also, from a brand perspective they're rooted to the pecking order of their products. I think it must take some effort to keep the Cayman behind the 911, working out just how much power to give it. But at least it's proven to them that their next halo car should be mid-engined. But also worthy of note is that they did try to kill the 911 before but the public wanted it more than what they tried to replace it with. Maybe their mid-engined supercar will sell well, but no doubt the 911 will still sell plenty. It has a following and is very capable. Let's not forget that a few modern day 911's produce superior lap times to the legendary Carrera GT - a mid-engined car with over 600hp from a 5 ltr V10 race intended engine and exotic carbon fibre construction. http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html To answer your question, my guess (totally unqualified) is that a Cayman could not handle the 500+ hp engine from the 991 turbo. I think that's where the 911 hanging its engine weight over its driven wheels has a traction advantage (987 was easy to wheelspin 300hp, don't know about 981). The next mid-engined car will have different dimensions to handle that kind of power but the laws of physics would suggest it'll be superior to rear-engine. Probably Carrera GT / 918Spyder type dimensions. Longer wheebase, wider track etc etc.
Have to agree with the points you've made 6. I'm sure that the Cayman chassis is capable of accepting a significantly more powerful engine but the gearbox, driveshafts, hubs and rear suspension components probably would have to come in for some attention to accept 911 Turbo power output and torque. Intercooling the charge air could present a packaging problem in the mid-engined layout, but I presume that Porsche have this covered since we're about to see flat-4 turbo installations soon in the mid-engined cars. We know how tunable turbo engines are, so it's not impossible that we could be seeing 400+hp flat-4 turbo engines in Boxsters/Caymans and it's most likely that the current chassis has been designed with such power outputs in mind.
Thanks for that link. I was at Le Mans in the late 80s when Bell and Stuck (I think!) drove a Rothmans works 962 PDK-equipped car and can remember being very impressed by the signature instantaneous gearchange as Bell/Stuck made the full throttle up-change accelerating through the pit straight. The double-clutch gearbox is a common item these days but even in the rarefied world of racing in the late 1980s, it was an unknown, untried and therefore unproven concept. The appeal was easy to see, particularly for racing Porsches that had long been hampered by the factory’s insistence on using synchromesh transmissions that were slow but far harder for drivers to damage. Jeff
went to see my OPC yesterday and while there are 14 people on the GT4 list now with only circa 3 cars coming per OPC for 2015 there were NO names down for the 2015 Spyder. Can they sell all the new style Spyders if they are dumbed down a lot ? what do people want ? as there will never be another SPyder like the 987.2 model esp if the new one has a electric roof as expected. GT4 and the 991RS will be launched as Motorsport cars at Geneva so will have the following.
Spyder people want the unique look from that fantastic rear humped deck. Lightweight options ie buckets wheels no air no radio no heavy door cards with storage bins smaller fuel tank more bhp sport chassis much lighter and tighter than pasm and that's just for starters [
]The Spyder doesn't pretend to be anything other than a sports car, so the engine won't matter IMO, even if it only gets the GTS tune. People rarely talk about the current Spyder in terms of its 10 extra HP over an S. Electric roof? Can't see why they would have 2 different types of Boxster with electric roof. Targa panel or manual folding roof like a 911 Speedster perhaps, or same roof as 987 Spyder. What would be the point of a redesigned electric roof? Is that what your sources are saying, or are you just trying to stimulate debate[]
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Without the Spyder humps/rear deck it wouldn't be a Spyder IMO. The look is what really sold the car the better more focussed Than a standard 987 was just cream on an already looks winning cake [
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