Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: ted walker Called in at Paragon yesterday as we were passing by. Very nice set up with nice cars. The Spyder hadn't arrived. (coffee was excellent thanks Mark)

My brothers 997 Speedster was purchased there last December and my impressions were simply if only every Porsche Centre could be this good yet alone every used Porsche Specialists Top guys to deal with

 

[daro911]

Fresh Spyder For Sale [] http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/boxster-987-05-12/porsche-boxster-spyder-pdk-2010--20-months-opc-warranty/3024986 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER PDK 2010 - 20 MONTHS OPC WARRANTY (2010) For sale Privately, in SOUTH YORKSHIRE, United Kingdom £38,000 Description Porsche Boxster Spyder PDK, Carrara White, Spyder Wheels, Carbon Bucket Seats, Sports Exhaust, Sports Chrono. OPC Warranty to June 2016. Due to a change in circumstances, I am reluctantly selling my fantastic Porsche Boxster Spyder. Purchased in August 2013 from Porsche Centre Kendal, it is in immaculate condition in Carrara White with extended warranty until June 2016. It has full OPC service history with a major service carried out in June 2014. The next service (minor) is due in June 2016. Has MOT to June 2015 and tax to December 2014. This car is amazingly tactile to drive and the best sports car I have owned. With only around 200 examples in the UK, it is also a very special car and predicted to be a sound investment for the future. It has covered just 13,000 miles from new, with 2 previous owners (technically - both were from the same family). The spec is listed below: PDK transmission Sport Design steering wheel with paddles, Carrara White with black interior, Lightweight carbon-fibre bucket seats with alcantara inserts 19" lightweight Spyder wheels in silver, Switchable Sports Exhaust, Sports Chrono pack, Bi-Xenon headlights, Climate control, Cruise control, Automatically dimming interior/exterior mirrors with integrated rain sensor CDR30 CD player Sound Package Plus and CD storage, Universal Audio Interface (for iPod connection), Carrara White instruments, Centre console in white, Red seat belts and door pulls, Cup holders, Porsche floor-mats. The car comes with 2 keys and all books and manuals. Strictly no canvassers or time-wasters please. Given that the car comes with 20 months OPC warranty, I believe this is a fair price. So sorry no offers below £38k please.

 

[kitchens]

Could this be the car for Matt ? read his experience not good[] Looks a nice car and money wise good value and with the warranty what is there not to like. Brian

 

[rob.kellock]

I think that's good value. I part exchanged mine when I sold it as it needed warranty renewal,major service, brakes, brake fluid, spark plug change etc. This car has had all those done and I know what that would cost at OPC. Nice spec too and low mileage. If you want PDK []

 

[MrDemon]

Too many PDK Spyder and R's for sale atm For a drivers car at least Porsche is not going to offer PDK for the GT4, stops the public and OPC's f***ing things up lol.

 

[spyderwhite]

But will it have the stupid long gearing?

 

[flat6]

Porsche stuck 2 fingers up to the connoisseurs by making the GT3 PDK only and that's probably got the strongest cult following of any of their other products. Let's hope if GT4 only has one transmission then it's PDK [8D]. If it's manual only, given that they didn't go that route with GT3, it won't be to satisfy people but to make sure the car is slow enough for its product placing below say a Carrera S. But they'll tell you it's for the ultimate driving experience, whilst the GT3 brochure will say the same about PDK[8|]. Let's hope if GT4 only has one transmission then it's PDK. Only joking, I'm not in the market for one so they can do as they see fit[]

 

[kitchens]

Just back from the local OPC was to be driving the clubs 356 but it suffered gear loss before it was my turn to drive [] They have just taken in a Cayman R 2011 Perio Green 2 owner demo +1 13k miles Man. Buckets .AirCon. Zenon .nice spec a lot of extras and will come with a full 2 years opc warranty £40850 it was very clean only spotted a couple of chips on the PU

 

[daro911]

Taste of things to come in 2015 [] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilNqStfWwYQ

 

[Motorhead]

ORIGINAL: flat6 Porsche stuck 2 fingers up to the connoisseurs by making the GT3 PDK only and that's probably got the strongest cult following of any of their other products. Let's hope if GT4 only has one transmission then it's PDK [8D]. If it's manual only, given that they didn't go that route with GT3, it won't be to satisfy people but to make sure the car is slow enough for its product placing below say a Carrera S. But they'll tell you it's for the ultimate driving experience, whilst the GT3 brochure will say the same about PDK[8|]. Let's hope if GT4 only has one transmission then it's PDK. Only joking, I'm not in the market for one so they can do as they see fit[]

I think it's possible that they'll offer both 'boxes 6, with maybe the PDK software tweaked to give faster shifts like they've done with the GT3. Likewise with the steering software. On the "likely power" front, someone on P-9 has commented: Determining the likely amount of horsepower should be fairly straightforward: The last Porsche 911 GT4 race car was the 997 Cup GT4 which made 385HP (390PS). The Aston Martin Vantage GT4 was about 410HP (same as an N24). The BMW E92 M3 GT4 was 420HP. The Ford Mustang FR500C GT4 was 420HP. So likely in the 375 to 400HP range given that it's on the lighter side of the weight spectrum (bit lighter than a 911). Porsche Caymans are already raced in GT4, so this would simply be a factory offering of a race-ready car that's already homologated for racing, with a street version for the public. Bear in mind also that the 991.2 C and CS are bound to have power hikes, so giving the GT4/Spyder around 380PS would maintain the established pecking order. Jeff

 

[clubsport]

Is it confirmed these GT4 cars will be homologated and not just a badge and level of trim?

 

[Motorhead]

The Cayman is already homologated for the GT4 Race Series Paul, so I can't see any reasons why a Cayman GT4 shouldn't be homologated too. GT4-class race cars are mostly what can be referred to as track day cars, which are factory-built cars available to the public. I thought that GT4-class drivers were meant to be true amateurs but I see that the 2014 European Series does allow pro and semi-pro drivers too. Jeff

 

[clubsport]

Tks..I hear you. It can may a significant difference if the new GT4 model is homologated itself, rather than just the generic Cayman, as it were! There were 993, 996 & 997 GT2 for example, the homologated 993 variant has benefitted from it's motorsport heritage.

 

[Motorhead]

Yes Paul, that would be sensible and bring Porsche into line with Aston, Lotus, et al in offering a dedicated GT4-spec car. Let's hope that Porsche use the opportunity to develop another motorsport brand. Jeff

 

[MillerIanF]

ORIGINAL: Motorhead

ORIGINAL: flat6 Porsche stuck 2 fingers up to the connoisseurs by making the GT3 PDK only and that's probably got the strongest cult following of any of their other products. Let's hope if GT4 only has one transmission then it's PDK [8D]. If it's manual only, given that they didn't go that route with GT3, it won't be to satisfy people but to make sure the car is slow enough for its product placing below say a Carrera S. But they'll tell you it's for the ultimate driving experience, whilst the GT3 brochure will say the same about PDK[8|]. Let's hope if GT4 only has one transmission then it's PDK. Only joking, I'm not in the market for one so they can do as they see fit[]

I think it's possible that they'll offer both 'boxes 6, with maybe the PDK software tweaked to give faster shifts like they've done with the GT3. Likewise with the steering software. On the "likely power" front, someone on P-9 has commented: Determining the likely amount of horsepower should be fairly straightforward: The last Porsche 911 GT4 race car was the 997 Cup GT4 which made 385HP (390PS). The Aston Martin Vantage GT4 was about 410HP (same as an N24). The BMW E92 M3 GT4 was 420HP. The Ford Mustang FR500C GT4 was 420HP. So likely in the 375 to 400HP range given that it's on the lighter side of the weight spectrum (bit lighter than a 911). Porsche Caymans are already raced in GT4, so this would simply be a factory offering of a race-ready car that's already homologated for racing, with a street version for the public. Bear in mind also that the 991.2 C and CS are bound to have power hikes, so giving the GT4/Spyder around 380PS would maintain the established pecking order. Jeff

I think it is only a question of time until Porsche create a new mid engined car or let the Cayman of the leash. How many Youtube videos are there of Spyders and Caymans, on the track, hounding GT3s and other exotica through the corners only to fall back on the straights. The 911 is holding the mid engined cars back while Porsche try and maintain its cult status, market competition will not allow this to continue, the future for fast two seaters is surely mid engined. If there is any logic in this then mid engined cars with considerably more BHP are on the way as the 911 builds on its reputation as a super efficient GT car. I suppose a four cylinder car priced at current Cayman/Boxster prices could lead to a"bigger brother" a more expensive faster 6 cylinder to sell at a generous premium. If prices were close to 911 prices then power status becomes less of an issue. Just some thoughts.

 

[Big E]

ORIGINAL: ted walker Called in at Paragon yesterday as we were passing by. Very nice set up with nice cars. The Spyder hadn't arrived. (coffee was excellent thanks Mark)

That is my old Spyder at Paragon, it should be a good buy for someone. A well looked after car! They seem a good dealer, I have a few friends that have bought from them and they are well respected in the area.

 

[flat6]

You are right Ian. Although, the mid-engined car to eclipse the 911 might not be related to Boxster/Cayman. They want to tackle the FerrarI 458 / Mclaren MP4-12C sector where the megabucks are. So that'd be an all new, bigger car. http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/60996/porsche-961-confirmed

 

[MrDemon]

ORIGINAL: flat6 Porsche stuck 2 fingers up to the connoisseurs by making the GT3 PDK only and that's probably got the strongest cult following of any of their other products. Let's hope if GT4 only has one transmission then it's PDK [8D]. If it's manual only, given that they didn't go that route with GT3, it won't be to satisfy people but to make sure the car is slow enough for its product placing below say a Carrera S. But they'll tell you it's for the ultimate driving experience, whilst the GT3 brochure will say the same about PDK[8|]. Let's hope if GT4 only has one transmission then it's PDK. Only joking, I'm not in the market for one so they can do as they see fit[]

I don't think they stuck 2 fingers up, the car was getting too slow VS what else was out there, the PDK-S was the only option to work with the electrics and all the CPU and Rear wheel steer there is no way a manual could work and tie in with people driving this car FULL auto, you just steer brake and throttle, seems very easy to get a fast lap time, and some love that idea. unlike the older PDK the 991 GT3 tends now to NOT be driven even using the paddles where as every car/PDK before it you were faster in manual mode with PDK. Porsche have a following and they want to make the GT4 more about the driver than about lap times, there will be no rear wheel steer and it's looking like no PDK even as a option the GT4 will be a model going forward so already people talking about the 981.2 GT4 or even RS cars to take over where the last GT3 left off. If you want a PDK you buy the GTS, if you want it a bit sporty you option the buckets and X73, If you want it even more driver focused you buy a GT4 and spec manual, if you want tech and lap times you buy a GT3 the 981.2 cars will be all signed off by now I bet for spec and people even saying the 3.8 will make the 981.2 GT4 in 2017 once the 991 gets the BHP rise to keep it ahead on paper BHP in 2015.

 

[Motorhead]

Agreed 6. Hopefully the 918 Spyder team will now be allowed to use their experience and divert their efforts into producing the 961, or whatever Porsche plan to call it. Jeff

 

[Motorhead]

ORIGINAL: MrDemon

ORIGINAL: flat6 Porsche stuck 2 fingers up to the connoisseurs by making the GT3 PDK only and that's probably got the strongest cult following of any of their other products. Let's hope if GT4 only has one transmission then it's PDK [8D]. If it's manual only, given that they didn't go that route with GT3, it won't be to satisfy people but to make sure the car is slow enough for its product placing below say a Carrera S. But they'll tell you it's for the ultimate driving experience, whilst the GT3 brochure will say the same about PDK[8|]. Let's hope if GT4 only has one transmission then it's PDK. Only joking, I'm not in the market for one so they can do as they see fit[]

I don't think they stuck 2 fingers up, the car was getting too slow VS what else was out there, the PDK-S was the only option to work with the electrics and all the CPU and Rear wheel steer there is no way a manual could work and tie in with people driving this car FULL auto, you just steer brake and throttle, seems very easy to get a fast lap time, and some love that idea. unlike the older PDK the 991 GT3 tends now to NOT be driven even using the paddles where as every car/PDK before it you were faster in manual mode with PDK. Porsche have a following and they want to make the GT4 more about the driver than about lap times, there will be no rear wheel steer and it's looking like no PDK even as a option the GT4 will be a model going forward so already people talking about the 981.2 GT4 or even RS cars to take over where the last GT3 left off. If you want a PDK you buy the GTS, if you want it a bit sporty you option the buckets and X73, If you want it even more driver focused you buy a GT4 and spec manual, if you want tech and lap times you buy a GT3 the 981.2 cars will be all signed off by now I bet for spec and people even saying the 3.8 will make the 981.2 GT4 in 2017 once the 991 gets the BHP rise to keep it ahead on paper BHP in 2015.

I agree mostly with what you're saying MrD but I still can't see why Porsche wouldn't offer a PDK GT4. If they're serious about taking the car racing then, despite the 25kg weight penalty, a PDK option gives potential purchasers (race teams, track-day junkies as well as street users) a choice, given that the GT4 regs stipulate that semi-auto 'boxes are allowed with SRO GT4 Bureau sanction. We'll just have to wait and see. Jeff