Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[kitchens]

What no Spyder posts cant have this !! Was at the Glasgow launch of the new Cayman last night car looked great had 4 on display White. Red .Grey .Mahogany Two where PDK and two manual prices started from £38K but shot up with basic extras to over £45 .The Mahogany one an S had over £22k worth of extras and weighed in at £72K . Only one Spyder in the car park a midst a sea of Porsches sadly not mine still in the garage as still got a bit of snow around and roads still full of salt and this weeks forecast doesn't look good either.So will have to wait a bit longer for a drive .Polished the wheels and waxed the inside rims so looks stunning OCD or what . Running on Michelin Pilot Sport noticed pressure was down a few pounds to 28 all round according to book 30F 31R Brian

 

[daro911]

New Spyderman Brian it is a bit of a tradition whoever gets to start the new page must try and do it with a picture too and this one is just for you Here you can see a bit of RED colour coding you were mentioning a few posts back Glad you are pacing yourself like me for the salt free roads to return before venturing out in your new pride and joy It will be worth the wait and keeps the passion for the Spyder burning []

 

[flat6]

Hi Brian Yeah it's just not good enough is it[] Looking forward to hearing of your first drive and how it compares to your old Boxster when you give it some welly[] In this cold weather your tyre pressures may read a bit low. The recommended tyre pressures are measured at, I think (don't have references to hand) 20 degrees C. It's a new page and so needs a new pic, so feel free to post close up picture of one of your waxed wheels[]

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: flat6 Hi Brian It's a new page and so needs a new pic, so feel free to post close up picture of one of your waxed wheels[]

He did it's the red ones above he is using that new Redvax[][]

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: daro911

ORIGINAL: flat6 Hi Brian It's a new page and so needs a new pic, so feel free to post close up picture of one of your waxed wheels[]

He did it's the red ones above he is using that new Redvax[][]

You beat me to it explaining the tradition [] Meanwhile, I just went to check if the last car had sold and on the Boxster Search page there's a link for a "Boxster Buying Guide" http://www.porsche.com/uk/approvedused/usedcarlocator/boxster/ The link doesn't work but that is surely a mistake by their website admin. I don't think the site it directs you to is a Porsche site. Brian, you mentioned there may be a car coming in at Newcastle. Let's hope it has sold to one of the punters on their Spyder waiting list before it needed to be advertised[] Did you get an indication from Edinburgh whether they had other customers like yourself for them to contact when new Spyders come in?

 

[flat6]

Hot of the press! Pics of Brian's immaculate car. It even rests on carpet []

 

[rob.kellock]

I think the first 2 "crests to valves" may just be a couple of degrees out but I'm hoping it's just the angle. He seems to have missed a bit on the last photo, I can see some evidence that this car has once been driven on a road. [][][] Wow. Just wow. That is all.

 

[kitchens]

Thanks Flat 6 yes sits on Wilton carpets every Porsche deserves too,Stops a lot of dampness coming through the concrete .Porsche discs really do rust before you very eyes shocking . I use salt bags all around the garage to keep moisture down helps a lot .Use to have a heater running 24/7 and was told it was low cost until i got my bill in almost £200 for the quarter [:'(]. so it can sit and freeze now like the rest of us [] []. No feed back from the dealership as to any potential customers but think it will be just time as the seed is already planted in some Boxster owners mind after seeing photos of mine. looking at the underneath of mine doesn't look as it has seen any wet days . Brian

 

[944s2]

Tat roll bar could do with a clean Brian[]

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: flat6 Hot of the press! Pics of Brian's immaculate car. It even rests on carpet []

As an ex multi concours winner myself (now retired from that)I congratulate you on an immaculate job Cars looking red hot unlike the bloody weather []

 

[kitchens]

Daro 911 Thanks for the compliment will do my best to keep it up to that standard and hope to use it at the same time . Dougie Will get right on to cleaning those ant-roll bars []

 

[acer]

[8D] Wow,I think that's awesome the cleanest Porsche I ever seen apart from a concours black 356. Am a bit biased because am a 986 fan,but that one u had was a real labour of love! The wheels look great,and the body is like a mirror! With the wheels I wonder what your favourite design was? At the moment have the GT3 Split rim sport design,but my all time is the Speedline split rims they seem to look great on all.

 

[jdpef356]

ORIGINAL: flat6 I guess there's 2 ways the Spyder can go with regards to achieving classic status in the future. Either It won't get there because it's not a 911. Or It will get there because it's great and relatively affordable and therefore becomes considered by many as they best option to sink their £40K as £40K doesn't go very far on a new / newer car. So the Porsche AG bosses want them. Chris Harris wants one. There's plenty of discussion on PH about people trying to get hold of one. It's all good signs. Also, if there is a 981 Spyder, and if it as come at the end of the 2nd generation of the 981, then it's a long way off. Will give time for the market to stabilise on ours before a successor comes along (but I still don't think there'll be one[] ) One thing is for sure, the 987 Spyder will find favour amongst as many people as there are cars available. It's pretty cheap to run, great to drive, good looking and exclusive. The 914 has a following after all these years, so I can see the same for the Boxster and so why not even more so for the Spyder in particular.

Sorry been away in Thighland a while so just playing a bit of catch up! Just going back - Will the Spyder become a classic? - Whatever you class as classic[&:] Well IMHO only time will tell, but if we look back we get some clues. Take the 356 Speedster. This little car would have been living in the shadow of the 550 Spyder James Dean car when introduced. However, it was basically a stripped down 356 Cab with a few mods. A little sparse you could say with no wind up windows and a hood that was not to everyone's approval. Of course it was produced in limited numbers whilst at the same time the late fifties you could purchase the 356 in Cabriolet form if you wished with all the bells and whistles that had. Now take a look at the market for both. Well neither finished up as a bad investment. Both have been driven and enjoyed and I think you could class both as a Classic but ask most people which they would prefer and I think you know the answer. 356 Cab £100k plus and the Speedster £150k for one in good condition. IMHO The Speedster is a true Porsche ICON. Take the 914. Love it or not this little car a sort of mixed marriage of Porsche and VW is certainly no 911. Yet look at the prices for the 914 and you will see it has a strong following and is if not already becoming a classic. Yes of course the 911 will always have a strong following. But which are the ones which remain strong in the Classic market? Any limited edition in any marques is always a good sign to becoming a Classic. Plenty to look at with the 911 such as the 2.7RS or any pre 73 911 is now heading North as far a prices go. The eighties and the 911 3.2 Speedster with limited numbers in 3.2 format wide or narrow body are much in demand and are in £75k plus for a decent one - the 3.3 Turbo and 3.2 Supersport with limited production are also hot on the heels of the Carrera Speedster. Moving forward and the 911 964 Speedster is rare and in demand with prices at a premium. 911 Model 993 Turbos and the wide body 2 and 4S were made in limited numbers and these models are fast becoming a classic. You can already insure them as a Classic! All the above cars I would gladly consider as a purchase but only if the had not been modified - either mechanical or body! I'm sure there are a lot more cars I could quote but for me the true pleasure of ownership is an all round thing. I guess most people would like to think they have something that is a little bit unique and rare. If it will out perform the 'standard' car on the road well all the better! But beauty is in eye of the beholder, never buy a car for investment, your investment is in the driving experience and the thrill of ownership. If at the end of the day you happen to break even or may a few bob, well that's a bonus! [] ------------------------ Edit. Before I get jumped upon from High I forgot to mention the 964RS - just ask any of the guys on the forum for a summary! []

 

[daro911]

John a very modern car that once could not be given away and then became a "priceless classic" 911 Speedster Gen 1[] This model also was a similar concept in many ways to our Spyders and I should know as I owned a multi winning concours example from 1989-2003 When I purchased the car brand new £56500 and it eventually fell to circa £30k I always knew it would eventually come good (back to list price) and it did around the age of 21 years which was about 4 years earlier than I had predicted to friends What I didn't know was how much higher the prices would climb in the proceeding 3 years!

 

[jdpef356]

Any limited edition in any marques is always a good sign to becoming a Classic. Plenty to look at with the 911 such as the 2.7RS or any pre 73 911 is now heading North as far a prices go. The eighties and the 911 3.2 Speedster with limited numbers in 3.2 format wide or narrow body are much in demand and are in £75k plus for a decent one - the 3.3 Turbo and 3.2 Supersport with limited production are also hot on the heels of the Carrera Speedster.

Daro I thought I had covered that![&:] Any limited edition in any marques is always a good sign to becoming a Classic. Plenty to look at with the 911 such as the 2.7RS or any pre 73 911 is now heading North as far a prices go. The eighties and the 911 3.2 Speedster with limited numbers in 3.2 format wide or narrow body are much in demand and are in £75k plus for a decent one - the 3.3 Turbo and 3.2 Supersport with limited production are also hot on the heels of the Carrera Speedster.

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: jdpef356

Any limited edition in any marques is always a good sign to becoming a Classic. Plenty to look at with the 911 such as the 2.7RS or any pre 73 911 is now heading North as far a prices go. The eighties and the 911 3.2 Speedster with limited numbers in 3.2 format wide or narrow body are much in demand and are in £75k plus for a decent one - the 3.3 Turbo and 3.2 Supersport with limited production are also hot on the heels of the Carrera Speedster.

Daro I thought I had covered that![&:]

John you had but I was just underlining it as an ex owner []

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: jdpef356

ORIGINAL: flat6 I guess there's 2 ways the Spyder can go with regards to achieving classic status in the future. Either It won't get there because it's not a 911. Or It will get there because it's great and relatively affordable and therefore becomes considered by many as they best option to sink their £40K as £40K doesn't go very far on a new / newer car. So the Porsche AG bosses want them. Chris Harris wants one. There's plenty of discussion on PH about people trying to get hold of one. It's all good signs. Also, if there is a 981 Spyder, and if it as come at the end of the 2nd generation of the 981, then it's a long way off. Will give time for the market to stabilise on ours before a successor comes along (but I still don't think there'll be one[] ) One thing is for sure, the 987 Spyder will find favour amongst as many people as there are cars available. It's pretty cheap to run, great to drive, good looking and exclusive. The 914 has a following after all these years, so I can see the same for the Boxster and so why not even more so for the Spyder in particular.

Sorry been away in Thighland a while so just playing a bit of catch up! Just going back - Will the Spyder become a classic? - Whatever you class as classic[&:] Well IMHO only time will tell, but if we look back we get some clues. Take the 356 Speedster. This little car would have been living in the shadow of the 550 Spyder James Dean car when introduced. However, it was basically a stripped down 356 Cab with a few mods. A little sparse you could say with no wind up windows and a hood that was not to everyone's approval. Of course it was produced in limited numbers whilst at the same time the late fifties you could purchase the 356 in Cabriolet form if you wished with all the bells and whistles that had. Now take a look at the market for both. Well neither finished up as a bad investment. Both have been driven and enjoyed and I think you could class both as a Classic but ask most people which they would prefer and I think you know the answer. 356 Cab £100k plus and the Speedster £150k for one in good condition. IMHO The Speedster is a true Porsche ICON. Take the 914. Love it or not this little car a sort of mixed marriage of Porsche and VW is certainly no 911. Yet look at the prices for the 914 and you will see it has a strong following and is if not already becoming a classic. Yes of course the 911 will always have a strong following. But which are the ones which remain strong in the Classic market? Any limited edition in any marques is always a good sign to becoming a Classic. Plenty to look at with the 911 such as the 2.7RS or any pre 73 911 is now heading North as far a prices go. The eighties and the 911 3.2 Speedster with limited numbers in 3.2 format wide or narrow body are much in demand and are in £75k plus for a decent one - the 3.3 Turbo and 3.2 Supersport with limited production are also hot on the heels of the Carrera Speedster. Moving forward and the 911 964 Speedster is rare and in demand with prices at a premium. 911 Model 993 Turbos and the wide body 2 and 4S were made in limited numbers and these models are fast becoming a classic. You can already insure them as a Classic! All the above cars I would gladly consider as a purchase but only if the had not been modified - either mechanical or body! I'm sure there are a lot more cars I could quote but for me the true pleasure of ownership is an all round thing. I guess most people would like to think they have something that is a little bit unique and rare. If it will out perform the 'standard' car on the road well all the better! But beauty is in eye of the beholder, never buy a car for investment, your investment is in the driving experience and the thrill of ownership. If at the end of the day you happen to break even or may a few bob, well that's a bonus! [] ------------------------ Edit. Before I get jumped upon from High I forgot to mention the 964RS - just ask any of the guys on the forum for a summary! []

True true John and as rightly you said, the investment is in the enjoyment you get out of the car. I've no idea if i'll have my Spyder in 20 years so I might not be the one benefitting from it's 6 figure value when that time comes. The mentions of 986 on here made me think. The 986 is similar to the 987 (bear with me) and we had the 986, 987.1 and 987.2 before a Spyder appeared at the end. That was about 17 years of Boxster. If the next Spyder (which I say there isn't going to be one[]) came not at the end of 981.1 nor 981.2 but towards the end of a 982 then it could be close to 20 years away! That'll give our Spyders a chance to be truly unique. But will we still be owning ours in less than half the time it'll take before it's successor arrives[8|]

 

[rob.kellock]

The 981 R or 981 GTS will be announced before the end of 2014 at the latest. I bet you. It will be like the new GT3 is compared to its predecessor - heavier than the Spyder but more hi-tec and quicker. Given the extra power available from the 3.4 engine in 911 guise, it won't be hard to liberate a few extra ponies, stick them in a 981 S with bucket seats, nice wheels, red seatbelts, PTV, sports suspension, some alcantara, a new badge and a body kit/ fixed rear spoiler. Simples. What that does to the future desirability of Spyders is anybody's guess! The best view I've ever had of a Spyder was watching flat6 disappear into the Welsh mountains with his sports exhaust bouncing off dry stone walls, as John says, the enjoyment for me at least is in driving experience and thrill of ownership. It will be hard for Porsche to replicate the Spyder's "thrill" whilst complying with market forces/environmental obligations.

 

[daro911]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock The 981 R or 981 GTS will be announced before the end of 2014 at the latest. I bet you. It will be hard for Porsche to replicate the Spyder's "thrill" whilst complying with market forces/environmental obligations.

You are probably correct as this would sell in far bigger numbers than our Spyders ever did and the extra margin in these times of austerity would come in very handy for the Porsche bean counters The million $ question "How many Spydermen would go for it"[&o]

 

[flat6]

ORIGINAL: rob.kellock The 981 R or 981 GTS will be announced before the end of 2014 at the latest. I bet you. It will be like the new GT3 is compared to its predecessor - heavier than the Spyder but more hi-tec and quicker. Given the extra power available from the 3.4 engine in 911 guise, it won't be hard to liberate a few extra ponies, stick them in a 981 S with bucket seats, nice wheels, red seatbelts, PTV, sports suspension, some alcantara, a new badge and a body kit/ fixed rear spoiler. Simples. What that does to the future desirability of Spyders is anybody's guess! The best view I've ever had of a Spyder was watching flat6 disappear into the Welsh mountains with his sports exhaust bouncing off dry stone walls, as John says, the enjoyment for me at least is in driving experience and thrill of ownership. It will be hard for Porsche to replicate the Spyder's "thrill" whilst complying with market forces/environmental obligations.

You're right rob. I see a GTS type special edition coming much sooner than any revised bodywork in the form of a Spyder. Here's what techart have done to the 981. Porsche should be quick before the best ideas for aerokits have been done by others[] I'm not into aftermarket kits but what they've done is quite tasteful.

ORIGINAL: daro911 You are probably correct as this would sell in far bigger numbers than our Spyders ever did and the extra margin in these times of austerity would come in very handy for the Porsche bean counters The million $ question "How many Spydermen would go for it"[&o]

Daro, I think some Spyder owners will go for a Boxster GTS. Either because they like to drive new cars and it's the next best thing, or they're drawn by the new PDK etc. etc. But your question is a good one because for many, the exclusive looks as Rob so well described, can only be achieved as we know, with revised bodywork. I can't answer that question fairly as you know i'm highly unlikely to go for a non-Spyder Boxster and would more likely defect defect back to a coupe[&o] http://www.techart.de/en/techart-showroom/programs/for-boxster-981/aerodynamic-kit-i/you-are-free.html