Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[MrDemon]

be better to make Bluetooth law imo.

Most cars don't need a reverse camera ! I just cannot park the 981 Spyder though , so it's a taxi to the curb every time.

I am a parking master as well , but it would be one hard car to park imo with no camera In a small space.

new page new pic and all that, shows off the roll hoops in white and the lack of rear view in this car.

 

[daro911]

Thats news to me about mandatory cameras

I should have added or spotted rather it’s in the USA

 

[terry993]

So can i take it that we will have some ability of our own to use. Perhaps no need to worry as we now have synchromesh gearboxes.

 

[kitchens]

It is a nice spec and should sell ..not overly a lover of the classic interior suits a silver car better IMO

As to reversing being a X HGV driver use your wing mirrors never drive into a space with a kerb always reverse ,the acoustic sensors are better to let you know you are close to the car behind .

 

[MrDemon]

If I could write a good piece to convay my thoughts it would read like this, very good review imo sums up both car perfect, and cuts through the hype Esp from people on here who harp on abouter newer is better !

[link=http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/1511-2016-porsche-boxster-spyder-is-less-really-more/]http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/1511-2016-porsche-boxster-spyder-is-less-really-more/[/link]

the whole review is spot on, but this line is key and what it said after it as to why.

What's maddening about the '16 Boxster Spyder is how it fails to live up to the last car, while being better in pretty much every tangible aspect.

 

[Andrew Killington]

Interesting article, I still prefer the 981, but of course different strokes for different folks

hows the sell going, sold yet?

 

[Sandy59]

Having previously had a 987 Spyder and now running the 981 version, I think I would also agree with the gist of the article to be honest.

I did prefer the feel and feedback of the 987 steering, but I don't really dislike the 981 steering, I do like the quicker rack.

If the 981 had the 987 hydraulic steering and the same roof/sun canopy, the 'lightened' instrument binnacle something like the 987 one, then it would be more special and more accepted as a worthy successor I think.

It's still a great car for me, but I agree it could have been just a bit better and more in line with the original.

 

[MrDemon]

It’s not up for sale yet, only talked about it on here and every one already has one on this forum. I don’t need to sell it till April.

had a great run out yesterday with SCD in it, was holding it’s own vs a Veyron SS lol

its shocking easy to pile on the speed in this car. But again not a good thing when you look at the speedo !

I still think tyres would transform this car from the P zero, it does feel like I do the bends on faith alone over ultimate feel And that’s not all down to eps, it’s def a tyre issue also.

its a great car if you only want one car to do every thing quite well over owning 3 or 4 cars which do each area of driving better.

i would love to hot rod it to 435bhp, fit a lwflywheel and some nice tyres,

would shock a few people then.

in the mean time when the weather gets over 5degree I am going to fit my R 19” wheels and ps4s

it will lower the in gear speeds back to 74mph in 2nd over >85mph and also give the car more of an alive in gear feeling with a shorter ratio Plus the PS4s feeling

be interesting and a few people in the USA have done this on the GT4 with good results, although the speedo will be out ! I am just doing it for fun to see what it feels like.

 

[MrDemon]

Having previously had a 987 Spyder and now running the 981 version, I think I would also agree with the gist of the article to be honest.

I did prefer the feel and feedback of the 987 steering, but I don't really dislike the 981 steering, I do like the quicker rack.

If the 981 had the 987 hydraulic steering and the same roof/sun canopy, the 'lightened' instrument binnacle something like the 987 one, then it would be more special and more accepted as a worthy successor I think.

It's still a great car for me, but I agree it could have been just a bit better and more in line with the original.

I agree hence I joke about it being a GTS with a 3.8 and a daft roof, The fake rear bits is daft like the review stated !

its not special enough to be my weekend fun car, but I am dailying mine atm

screw taking my 987.2 minter out in this weather as I never use the extra roof bit on that car, just the cap part.

hydraulic steering and electric roof for me would have been great on a personal note, plus far far shorter ratios. Be interesting when I fit the 19”

 

[legin]

I said previously but fear you ignored it. P Zero is very temp sensitive, get it to decent summer temps and it comes good imo. Cold they are just not much cop so agree that a michelin would like have it licked.

All this talk 987 vs 981 is remarkably similar to the elise s1 vs s2 banter. How did that end - in a draw basically with purists in s1 camp and the rest in s2 camp. I had had a number of both and its really down to purity vs evolution and useability. Age has brought with it the inexorable move from S1 to s2 and so it is with the 981 spyder for me. Better ? nope just more suited to my requirements.

 

[MrDemon]

They never come good lol , I ran pzero on my R for a few months they stink in the summer also, really bad tyres at any temp, they also over heat on track in 2 laps, I have binned 3 new sets of pzero I hate them. Even just binned them on my Golf for ps4s , they have no roll to play on sports cars. And a real mismatch on the 981 Spyder. Hence I did ingore the p zero comments sorry .

not sure the S1 vs S2 was a real debate hence the draw, nothing on the S2 made it less focused than the S1. Same car, same chassis, same steering same every thing bar body And roof.

they dummed down the geo and it understeered more, but nothing a geo and tyres did not fix. I had Motorsport car no. 008 S2 from new Then a fully modded Exige.

Fun cars, I fancy a Elise CUP, as new cars are far to dummed down now :-(.

if I did not own a 987.2 Spyder I would have the Elise cup in the garage.

The new 430cup exige looks-a hoot but the price is daft !

 

[daro911]

They never come good lol , I ran pzero on my R for a few months they stink in the summer also, really bad tyres at any temp, they also over heat on track in 2 laps, I have binned 3 new sets of pzero I hate them. Even just binned them on my Golf for ps4s , they have no roll to play on sports cars. And a real mismatch on the 981 Spyder. Hence I did ingore the p zero comments sorry .

new cars are far to dummed down now :-(.

P Zero's must be some sort of basement bargain price as so many manufacturers seem to be using them as original factory fit why else would they compromise there cars in this fashion [&:]

Your new GT3 is probably well dummed down compared to the originals hope it doesn't disappoint as much as others found out once they got there hands on one[]

 

[daro911]

Now that Porsche have made the 718 Boxster more expensive than the Cayman what will be the pricing hierarchy when it comes to the 718 Spyder & 718 GT4 [&:]

 

[Brian_Innes]

With Porsche, newer is better.

In my experience, opinion often depends on whether you are paying, or merely commenting on other's choices.

Brian

 

[spyder31]

[link=http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/1511-2016-porsche-boxster-spyder-is-less-really-more/]http://www.superstreetonline.com/features/1511-2016-porsche-boxster-spyder-is-less-really-more/[/link]

Great article. If only I could have one of each!

 

[MrDemon]

They never come good lol , I ran pzero on my R for a few months they stink in the summer also, really bad tyres at any temp, they also over heat on track in 2 laps, I have binned 3 new sets of pzero I hate them. Even just binned them on my Golf for ps4s , they have no roll to play on sports cars. And a real mismatch on the 981 Spyder. Hence I did ingore the p zero comments sorry .

new cars are far to dummed down now :-(.

P Zero's must be some sort of basement bargain price as so many manufacturers seem to be using them as original factory fit why else would they compromise there cars in this fashion [&:]

Your new GT3 is probably well dummed down compared to the originals hope it doesn't disappoint as much as others found out once they got there hands on one[]

not sure who is disappointed in the new GT3 , it seems the best engine to date and offers a manual for the 1st time in 8 years ! , and if people don't like them you make £££ selling it win win.

P zero must be cheap, goto a Ferrari garage all the normal "to be seen in cars" have P zero all the sporty models run Michelin !

 

[MrDemon]

With Porsche, newer is better.

In my experience, opinion often depends on whether you are paying, or merely commenting on other's choices.

Brian

with Porsche newer is faster and as that review stated that is not always better ;-) your review of the 718 was even hijacked by the editors to look like a 718 win in every area as you stated they took key R bits out !!! So the end review was well to be honest disappointing to see/read In the end and too bias in the 718 favor.

 

[Brian_Innes]

David,

It's no surprise to me that you are disappointed with my 12 months review of my 718 CS PDK. We all like different things with our cars, and as you have stated often enough on this forum, the 718 is not to your taste. Fine.

The PP article was my first attempt at published journalism and was by no means perfect. I'm not a professional scribe, just an experienced enthusiast who knows his cars. I did try and get the point across that my previous Cayman R manual was the best car I had ever owned, but for reasons of space and brevity, editorial demands intervened.

Contrary to your view that my PP article was biased, I would say that I tried to balance the pluses and minuses of both cars. For example, one of the critical comments of the 718 CS PDK that was cut out of the published article, was the pointless Sport Response button on the mode switch. I cannot imagine any situation when this gimmicky feature would ever be useful. Another point I made was the brilliant steering feel of the CR, but that was also deleted. Be that as it may, in summary, the 718 CS PDK as I have specced it is not a bad car at all. In my opinion, it is a brilliant multi-purpose driver's car. All who have shared track time with me in the 718 have been extremely complimentary about the car.

Finally, regarding the PP article, I have been pleased to receive complimentary reports on my 718 review from many sources, not only PCGB members. Negative opinions are also noted with respect. As I said at the beginning, we all have differing views on our cars. If the 718 CS was as uninteresting and awful as you say it is, my thread elsewhere on this forum would have closed long ago.

Back on topic........the 987 and 981 Spyder are both fabulous "fun" cars on road and track. A hot rod version would be great fun on a track day. Unfortunately for me, the laughable toy roof arrangement would not be a practical option for me living as I do in Scotland's highlands. I'm not rubbishing your choice of two Spyders by any means, just making the point that for practical reasons the car doesn't suit me.

Brian

 

[MrDemon]

Porsche make great cars, But the review ended up looking like an advert which was a shame. As you stated they took anything better the R did out of the review, it then ended up as a 3 page add like we see Tyre reviews in EVO sponsors by continental tyres and thus misleading esp if it were not for me posting about such things So I was not disappointed with the review I was annoyed about the editing to make the review then a 718 advert :-( It's put me off ever doing a piece if my views were to be deleted !!!

 

[ralphmusic]

[link=https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/porsche/new-2018-porsche-718-boxster-spyder-spy-pictures-news-specs-prices/]https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/porsche/new-2018-porsche-718-boxster-spyder-spy-pictures-news-specs-prices/[/link]

Geneva maybe, gearbox? With side scoops a la GT4 and larger rear discs, perhaps PCCB callipers and iron discs