Are Spyders Becoming Extinct At OPCs!

[MrDemon]

look it's a debate which will go on a and on and I have been very negative about it and indeed of every thing and I am very sorry that I do point put out negative views :-(

I am not sure why I am like this atm, I am trying my best but not been well for about 18months and I need to really be more positive in my outlook as it's not helping me being like this. Doctors are no help as they load you up on drugs so I am doing this with my own mind set and I do feel a lot better than I did 18 months ago.

But PDK is a tool to help you go faster, I already admitted I would be faster in a PDK, but I am not ready to give up on a skill set which has taken me all my life to hone just yet. If PDK lets people of an age keep driving that is a massive result, Brian is amazing he can still get out and put in a time and be on track, I only hope I can drive well into my 70's, my dad is 87 like I have said I and is a die hard manual fan it's great to see . No one cares what any one else drives and if every one is happy that's a result, I hope I can be happy in 2018 and I do hope if I have offended anyone, the people who know me know I don't mean any malice.

the newer cars with PTV and e diff's have taken things too far for me, I have been out with poor drivers and seen how the cars get them round, PDK was the 1st thing to aid drivers, now cars do drive on their own and you only need to steer and that will be gone in the next 20 years. Bikes have gone the same way, Gyro's ABS etc etc

a novice can ride a 200bhp super bike, open the throttle full mid bend and the bike will get you round it !

I think if you are really a good driver and you have done a million miles and I do mean a million, then jumping into a PDK car does reduce the work load and make it a far far easier car to pilot. one cannot get away from that, it's not the gear change, it's the work load approaching a bend . A lot Kids cannot drive manuals these days, the Auto test only is on the UP, put any one of these drivers In a Caterham and they would be off 1st bend, put them in a 718 PDK, PTV E-diff car they would be lapping quite close to me ! maybe I resent that , who knows.

I am looking at changing a few thing in my life to try and be a happy person but what we all have in common is we love our cars and long may that continue, I wish every one good health as it's the most important thing in life, Mental health also as I see more and more people with mental Health issues and suicide rates have increased by 60% in my life time.

 

[Andrew Killington]

Good luck with your health issues D, no shame in what you’ve said, it can happen to anyone, I was reading how low and unhappy Bruce Springsteen feels at times and he has been doing his bit to raise the often taboo issue of mental health

 

[vitesse]

My track driving experience has always been in manual cars whether the humble 924S,a 964 & various fast Rover Vitesses on Rover race training days.

My track passenger experiences have included cars as above plus amongst others :Mel's 964 cup car,Paul Howells RSR ,back to back laps with Andy Fagan & Chris Whittles Cayman R's -manual / PDK respectively-also with Steve in his 964.

The Cayman laps showed no dicernible difference overall but a marked difference in cornering with the PDK faster into the bends but slower out-how much of this was down to the PDK cars ceramic brakes is difficult to estimate but the manual car was clearly faster away from bends mainly because the gears could be held that bit longer ( ie.snatched)

My road cars for the last 15 yrs have been BMW 530 D Autos remapped which go even better & change up later if you hold the DSC button in for over 15 secs.I have taught myself to Left foot brake & always drive this way -I also always drive in Steptronic manual.

So far nobody has mentioned the advantage of Left foot braking but it does bring advantages whether driving manual or automatic cars.

In a manual,you can leave a foot on the throttle ( you have to have changed gear 1st) in corners -it can be combined with H&T with appropriate foot agility & in autos one can brake,dab at the brake,combined with changing gear .I have however no experience of driving like this with a PDK box.

Of course,bigger engined cars like the BMWs,Mercs ,Jags always tended to come as Autos which is fine for commuting/stop -start traffic but really no advantage for motorway cruising so I didn't get the option but on track the ability to use both pedals must surely bring some advantage .

 

[Brian_Innes]

David,

Your honesty is very commendable and refreshing. As Andrew Killington has already said, no shame in admitting to health problems in public. I have chosen to do exactly the same with my ALS condition and I have gained much support from PCGB members by so doing.

Mental health issues used to be a taboo subject. Thankfully for all concerned that is no longer the case.

Please keep coming up with your pithy comments David. Whether it be on PDK, PTV, EPS, or flat-4 turbos, this forum would be poorer place without your contributions.

Brian

 

[CLIFFWILKINS]

My understanding from what I have read and talked to people about, one thing is very clear we are all in agreement that we enjoy the Porsche Marque no matter what model we choose i.e preference or as budget dictates.

We all have different needs uses for our Porches some are everyday cars some are tracked some are used for car shows we all use them in different ways to serve our purpose.

Whether it be Manual or PDK flat six or 4 technology moves on as well. So we all choose our favourite model and hopefully enjoy it.

Debate is good Pros Cons of each model and any advise we can put to good stead is always invaluable.

Be boring if we all had the same car colour spec what would we debate. [8D]

Only my observation having been lucky enough to have owned many of the Porsche models over the last 23 years.

Cheers Cliff.

 

[MrDemon]

I would like to pick up on left foot braking as most new cars ECU's cut the throttle if you touch the brakes, so again another thing gone in ones arsenal !

Handy I guess in an auto to use both feet , I left foot brake my racing sim and to compete at the high levels I run my sim on paddles not a shifter.

Sim racing is at a very high level and of course world wide, so no time for a gear shift I am chasing 1/100th of a second on it most times.

 

[CFo]

Have a manual currently, but have always left-foot braked with autos. Had a couple of Audi TTs with DSG. Similar to, probably inferior to PDK. DSGs cost a lot to fix when they go wrong! Expect PDKs do too.

 

[daro911]

Have a manual currently, but have always left-foot braked with autos. Had a couple of Audi TTs with DSG. Similar to, probably inferior to PDK. DSGs cost a lot to fix when they go wrong! Expect PDKs do too.

Would imagine on the older PDK cars this will eventually become an expensive issue to fix and as I know 2 people have PDK's replaced on very newish cars under warranty of course the time off the roads for both were almost a month! Delay waiting new box from factory []

 

[daro911]

Latest on 718 Spyder & GT4

[link=https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1022878_2019-porsche-718-cayman-gt4-spy-shots#image=100643281]https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1022878_2019-porsche-718-cayman-gt4-spy-shots#image=100643281[/link]

 

[daro911]

According to this the next generation 911/922 GT3 will be a Turbo []

Does this mean 718 Spyder could be the final n/a Flat 6 [8D] subject to this article not being Fake Facts of course

[link=https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2019-porsche-911]https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2019-porsche-911[/link]

 

[daro911]

This cracking example sold very quickly and Spring hasn't even Sprung [/h2]Anyway on here know the lucky new owner[8D][/h2][link=http://www.paragongb.com/pages/porsche-for-sale]Porsche for Sale[/link]Boxster Spyder[/h2]£79,995

SOLD[/h6] Features Rhodium Silver

Black Half Leather Bucket Seats With Alcantara Inserts

3.8 Litre Flat Six Direct Fuel Injection Engine Developing 375 bhp

Black Lightweight Hood

Air Conditioning

Automatic Headlights

20mm Lowered Suspension

Bluetooth Phone System

Touchscreen Satellite Navigation

Onboard Computer

Sports Tail Pipes

Reverse Camera

Painted Air Intakes

Porsche Sound Package

Switchable Sports Exhaust

Sport Chrono Pack with Sport Plus

Silver Grey Seat Belts

LED Daytime Running Lights

Mesh Wind Deflector

Illuminated Entry Guards

20" Boxster Spyder Design Wheels

Smoked Tail Lights

1,984 miles

2016 (16)

[h2]Porsche Boxster Spyder (981)SOLD[/h2]This gorgeous Boxster Spyder (981) has the 6-speed manual gearbox and is presented in Rhodium Silver with black half-leather bucket seats with Alcantara inserts.

The 3.8 litre flat six engine develops 375 bhp and standard features include a wind deflector, automatic lights, LED daytime running lights, a switchable sports exhaust, the Sport Chrono Pack with Sport Plus, 20" Boxster Spyder Design wheels and Porsche Stability Management (PSM).

Designed for performance, lightness and precision, the Spyder features a lightweight roof, 20mm lowered suspension, Porsche Torque Vectoring, the engine from the 911 Carrera S and a limited slip differential.

Factory-fitted options include touchscreen satellite navigation with Bluetooth phone, a DAB digital radio, 'smoked' sports tailpipes, painted air intakes and silver grey seat belts.

It has driven just 1,984 miles from new in 2016.

 

[daro911]

Anyone wanting to upgrade their PCM3 to include Apple Car Play apparently these guys can do it

Personally I just want PSE Play to keep me amused [8D]

[link=http://www.cartronics.co.uk]www.cartronics.co.uk/Apple-CarPlay[/link]

 

[daro911]

THE NEW PORSCHE 718 BOXSTER SPYDER WILL BE PACKING GT3 POWER

You may remember the previous generation of the ‘hotted’ up Boxster Spyder thanks to its rear buttresses and slightly 'out there' tent-like roof design, and that it boasted the 3.8-litre motor from a 911 Carrera S.

With this reveal comes the good news that Porsche Motorsport has decided to stick with natural aspiration as opposed to following the herd by adding turbocharging to this halo model. Porsche is developing a new 718 Spyder with a detuned version of the 4.0-litre flat-six motor found in the insanely quick 911 GT3 model. This hot 718 model is being developed alongside a new 718 Cayman GT4 model featuring the same engine. According to Porsche’s head of GT car development Andreas Preuninger turbocharging for the models is off the table in the near future saying “Natural aspiration is one of our main USPs,” while confirming that both will have proper ‘Halo’ model engine credentials stating “At Motorsport, we think we can achieve throttle response and immediacy a little bit better with an atmospheric high-revving engine than any kind of turbo.” Now for the slightly bad news, the 4.0-litre flat-six motor normally produces 493bhp when bolted into the back of a GT3. Sadly and somewhat obviously, it makes no sense for Porsche to keep the power output the same; otherwise what’s the point of the GT3 as a halo model in its own right. This means that power could fall within the 425bhp mark, which would give the Spyder a 55bhp jump over its 370bhp predecessor. Porsche are also intent on hammering home the cars driving credentials further still by offering a proper six-speed manual gearbox with the excellent seven-speed PDK as an option. This design process will involve the Spyder being put on a strict Porsche style diet by losing its cabin insulation, sound system and air conditioning to make it the sharpest and most focused Boxster ever produced.

 

[Brian_Innes]

Much as I enjoy the howl and eye-popping revs of the glorious flat-6 GT3 engine, my view is AP is painting himself into a corner with focusing the GT department wizards on normally aspirated engines for the new 982 GT4 and Spyder. The 911 GT2 is a turbo so that sort of dilutes his "main USP" statement a little.

Also, from a Porsche heritage point of view, if the new Spyder and GT4 is to be launched with a flat-6 engine then it should be identified as a 982, and not 718. That moniker is surely reserved for flat-4 engines according to my understanding of Porsche racing history.

On the topic of de-tuning the 4.0 GT3 engine to something around 425bhp, just be aware that after market tuners are already offering remapping power kits for the 718 2.5 to give 415bhp and 520Nm torque. Add a performance exhaust to that and a 718 will more than likely top 425bhp. The lighter, mid-engine agility and broad torque band of the current 718 2.5 is already being noticed on track days. It will not be too long into the future before the current crop of GT cars have their mirrors full of hard chasing flat-4 718's. Also on the topic of aftermarket tuners, the current 991.2 GTS 3.0 turbo with a remapped power kit offers 510bhp and 600+Nm. See what I mean about AP being blinkered?

I just wish the redoubtable AP and his gang of merry men and women would remove their n/a flat-6 blinkers and direct their formidable energies and expertise to the new flat-4 and flat-6 turbos.

I shall look forward to seeing what happens with the new Spyder and GT4 power units.......and what model description they wear.

Brian

 

[Steve Brookes]

Not sure of Daro's source above but it looks like someone slow to the party that is spouting old rumours and trying to draw conclusions from old quotes from AP.

Let's be honest, only Porsche know what they are going to do and we simply have to wait until they are ready to announce the next spyder and GT4.

 

[daro911]

Let's be honest, only Porsche know what they are going to do and we simply have to wait until they are ready to announce the next spyder and GT4.

[link=https://youtu.be/0L1VwvY6zXY]https://youtu.be/0L1VwvY6zXY[/link]

Harry says GT3RS is last n/a GT3 fast forward to 7m 17 secs

 

[daro911]

NEW 2018 PORSCHE 718 BOXSTER SPYDER SPY PICTURES NEWS SPECS PRICES New Porsche 718 Boxster Spyder tests its winter creds

[link=https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/porsche/new-2018-porsche-718-boxster-spyder-spy-pictures-news-specs-prices/]https://www.carmagazine.c...res-news-specs-prices/[/link]



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[/link] Up close and personal with the Porsche 718 Boxster Spyder [link=https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/79755/78-porsche-boxster-spyder.jpg]

[/link]We spied the 2018 Boxster Spyder winter testing in Sweden [link=https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/79755/79-porsche-boxster-spyder.jpg]

[/link]A bleak test centre: we spied new 2018 Porsche 718 Boxster Spyder on chilly winter test [link=https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/79755/80-porsche-boxster-spyder.jpg]

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[/link]A peek inside the new Porsche Boxster Spyder cabin confirms a manual transmission will be offered [link=https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/79755/82-porsche-boxster-spyder.jpg]

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[/link]A huge rear deck noticeable on this Porsche 718 Boxster Spyder prototype we caught refuelling in Scandinavia [link=https://car-images.bauersecure.com/pagefiles/79755/porsche-boxster-spyder-01.jpg]

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[/link][/ul] ► Scooped: Porsche 718 Boxster Spyder ► A special limited edition Boxster ► Fly roof and nat-asp flat-six power

The new Porsche 718 Boxster Spyder due in 2018 reintroduces a famous name from the sports car maker's back catalogue: Spyder. Last used in [link=https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/porsche/porsche-boxster-spyder-2015-review/]2015 for a 370bhp 3.8-litre kick[/link], our new spy photos from Sweden prove there's a new one coming for the newly four-cylinder powered 718 range too.

Except this one won't use the boxer four-cylinder engine: instead, you can expect to see a flat six shoehorned amidships, on loan from Porsche's GT division. Which is a very good thing indeed...

These new spyshots capture the Spyder on winter test in Sweden; our photographer was able to get up close to the fly-topped 718 as it stopped for fuel, as part of a convoy of future Porsches.

[h2]So which flat-six is likely to power the Porsche 718 Boxster Spyder?[/h2]Think a roadster version of the [link=https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/porsche/porsche-cayman-gt4-2015-review/]Cayman GT4[/link] and you're on the right lines. Word is the naturally aspirated six-cylinder engine will displace 4.0 litres and develop some 430bhp - slightly detuned from its 911 GT3 application, in other words.

'That could explain the fact that the exhaust pipes have grown and moved position compared to the last Boxster Spyder,' said our man with the long lens. 'We also noticed the same on the 718 Cayman GT4 prototype when we spotted it in 2017.'

[h2]Inside the new Spyder[/h2]We've also snuck a look inside the new Spyder, as drivers stopped off to refuel their prototypes on winter test.

Carbon-backed sports seats are visible in this example, plus an Alcantara-rimmed steering wheel and manual transmission lever. It's not too stripped out, however: full PCM sat-nav is present and correct.

Six-cylinder power is likely to recapture some of the fizz that made the original [link=https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/porsche/porsche-boxster-spyder-2010-review/]2009 Boxster Spyder[/link] a firm favourite among Porschephiles. GT car chief Andreas Preuninger confirmed to CAR last year that nat-asp, high-revving engines would remain a core part of Porsche's most special cars for many years to come.

A six-speed manual transmission is on the cards, as confirmed by our interior spyshot above, and our photos also suggest that lighter alloy wheels, track-focused tyres, an aero package and brake upgrade will be offered on the 718 Spyder.

The lightweight, fly-off canvas roof - clearly visible in our spy photos grabbed when the Spyder pulled into a Swedish petrol station - is another obvious weight-saving tactic; expect the kerbweight to tumble somewhat from a regular 718 Boxster S or GTS.

[link=https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/cars-for-sale/porsche/boxster/]Browse used Porsche Boxsters for sale[/link]

[h2]When can I buy a 718 Boxster Spyder? And how much will it cost?[/h2]There's no definitive answer on either question. Judging by the state of readiness of the prototypes photographed here, we'd expect to see the Spyder unveiled in mid 2018, pointing to customer deliveries in the autumn.

It's too early to call the likely UK pricing of the Spyder. With the GTS topping out at £62k, there's clearly more headroom for this six-cylinder special to head well north of £70k.

 

[MrDemon]

this car need some bespoke body work ,the front dull and the backs ugly.

Makes me want to keep hold of my 981

 

[Motorhead]

That's as maybe D, but no-one's going to refuse if offered one..!

Personally I'm not a great fan of that bulky rear diffuser but presumably it's an effective high-speed aero device.

Jeff

 

[Spydermonkey1985]

I'm expecting Porsche to change the front bumper, given that the most recent GT4 spy shots show an improved look. However I'm 100% with MrD that this car needs something else to improve its look, especially as it's price point will most likely be above the GT4 given the Boxster's standing in the current 718 range.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the rear diffuser changed (i think its filled/blanked at present) and also a reappearance of the ducktail spoiler as seen on the 981.