There are private events on the PEC LA calendar November 27th and 28th, so probably Clubsport launch with added GT4 road detail before show?
Cayman GT4: Where are we up 2 now? Déjà vu Edition
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I'd hope that the release of the next generation GT4 would warrant a little bit more than just a press release Dave, especially for such an important Porsche market, but we'll just have to wait and see.
If nothing appears at the LA Show then I suspect that a simultaneous announcement of both the road and race cars at the Essen Show would be the next opportunity.
Jeff
If nothing appears at the LA Show then I suspect that a simultaneous announcement of both the road and race cars at the Essen Show would be the next opportunity.
Jeff
Re 992
https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1108831-992-at-la-motor-show-3.html#post15418683
and the following page..
https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1108831-992-at-la-motor-show-3.html#post15418683
and the following page..
I would think that the 992 launch at LA is a done deal. Auto Express seem to think so anyway:
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/los-angeles-motor-show/105189/2018-los-angeles-motor-show-preview
Jeff
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/los-angeles-motor-show/105189/2018-los-angeles-motor-show-preview
Jeff
Twinfan said:
Yes, that would cover both bases Dave, allowing Porsche to announce the Clubsport race car at say Essen and leaving the appearance of the road car until Geneva. On that basis I doubt we'll be seeing the cars landing on our shores until Q2 2019 at the earliest; more likely Q3 perhaps.
Jeff
..and perhaps the Evo mag delay is for Jethro's interview with AP on the GT4, not the 992?
Video from Nordschliefe yesterday, rather a lot of chat and not a lot else than a GT4 Clubsport doing some laps and Mercedes AMG GT4 apparently on record timed runs.
It's got to be the only reason for delaying Evo publication - the 992 is way more important than the niche market GT4.
Also I would think that a GT4 press release - if it were to happen at LA - could get lost in the 992 fanfare. A tricky timing decision for Porsche.
Jeff
Also I would think that a GT4 press release - if it were to happen at LA - could get lost in the 992 fanfare. A tricky timing decision for Porsche.
Jeff
Hi all,
This is my first post on the PC UK forum.
I own a white 981 GT4 which I love and I have now read everything about the 'new 718' version and am utterly confused.
I wondered if there is anything in the below. I am not knowledgeable enough to know.
A local dealer tells me that WLTP has created an utter nightmare and reading about the UK car sales industry figures this seems right. They (Porsche UK) have rebased all selling targets for the year as they can't sell cars until they are WLTP'd. He speculated that Porsche had to get the 992 out first and that the introduction of a Petrol Particulate Filter (is that what they are called) early had probably impacted the final choice of engine for the ROAD version of the 718 GT4 which needs to be a bit faster than the GTS 718 but now comply with WLTP. AND Porsche needed to launch the new Clubsport version too before year end for the various motorsports teams.
As for the Clubsport version, again speculation but it makes sense for the new version to be 3.8 X51 as it would then be possible for privateers who bought their 981 Clubsports to upgrade their engines by buying an ECU, powerkit and new crank and pistons as opposed to shelling out another £100k and throwing away the 'old' car. This way more racing GT4s out there.
I wasn't sure about the last bit as I thought that 981 GT4s had to be homologated (but its by SRO not FIA so maybe easier?), maybe a new set of heads/cams is easy to get through the process and keep the older cars 'competitive'?
Back to the Road version he thought that 4.0 likely as this set up was more likely to deal with the impact of the PPF.
I love my car - which my wife still refers to as loud and vulgar. I can't imagine the new one being any better....but it will be interesting to see what finally arrives!
Thanks for this very interesting thread
Snowy
This is my first post on the PC UK forum.
I own a white 981 GT4 which I love and I have now read everything about the 'new 718' version and am utterly confused.
I wondered if there is anything in the below. I am not knowledgeable enough to know.
A local dealer tells me that WLTP has created an utter nightmare and reading about the UK car sales industry figures this seems right. They (Porsche UK) have rebased all selling targets for the year as they can't sell cars until they are WLTP'd. He speculated that Porsche had to get the 992 out first and that the introduction of a Petrol Particulate Filter (is that what they are called) early had probably impacted the final choice of engine for the ROAD version of the 718 GT4 which needs to be a bit faster than the GTS 718 but now comply with WLTP. AND Porsche needed to launch the new Clubsport version too before year end for the various motorsports teams.
As for the Clubsport version, again speculation but it makes sense for the new version to be 3.8 X51 as it would then be possible for privateers who bought their 981 Clubsports to upgrade their engines by buying an ECU, powerkit and new crank and pistons as opposed to shelling out another £100k and throwing away the 'old' car. This way more racing GT4s out there.
I wasn't sure about the last bit as I thought that 981 GT4s had to be homologated (but its by SRO not FIA so maybe easier?), maybe a new set of heads/cams is easy to get through the process and keep the older cars 'competitive'?
Back to the Road version he thought that 4.0 likely as this set up was more likely to deal with the impact of the PPF.
I love my car - which my wife still refers to as loud and vulgar. I can't imagine the new one being any better....but it will be interesting to see what finally arrives!
Thanks for this very interesting thread
Snowy
Hi Richard, and welcome to the forum.
I believe what your salesman has said is correct. The introduction of WLTP has caused a lot of problems for the manufacturers - not just the VAG - leading to significant delays when introducing new models. It seems that the addition of particulate filters to petrol-engined cars will become the norm.
As we've been saying on here (for what seems like an eternity!) the 718 GT4 most probably will have a 4.0L naturally aspirated engine, which means that the Clubsport will need to have the same engine for homologation purposes. You'd have to look at the GT4 race regulations to see whether or not upgrading the 981 GT4 with an X51 kit would be permissible, but I doubt it.
The next few weeks are going to be interesting because there should - at last! - be an end to all the speculation.
Good to hear that you're a GT4 fan. Let's hope the new car lives up to its reputation.
Jeff
I believe what your salesman has said is correct. The introduction of WLTP has caused a lot of problems for the manufacturers - not just the VAG - leading to significant delays when introducing new models. It seems that the addition of particulate filters to petrol-engined cars will become the norm.
As we've been saying on here (for what seems like an eternity!) the 718 GT4 most probably will have a 4.0L naturally aspirated engine, which means that the Clubsport will need to have the same engine for homologation purposes. You'd have to look at the GT4 race regulations to see whether or not upgrading the 981 GT4 with an X51 kit would be permissible, but I doubt it.
The next few weeks are going to be interesting because there should - at last! - be an end to all the speculation.
Good to hear that you're a GT4 fan. Let's hope the new car lives up to its reputation.
Jeff
Brian_Innes
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snowy999 said:
The new 2019 model 718 Cayman GTS is already WLTP compliant. I know because I currently have one on order for delivery early January. It is now rated at 365bhp with a single large diameter PPF filter. The limiting factor with the 2.5t engine is not it's potential for a high power output, it's the limited space within the engine compartment to accommodate the PPF. The 6 cylinder engined cars have two PPF units, one for each bank of cylinders. They can subsequently be smaller in diameter and fit more readily into the available space.
My new 718 PPF GTS will already be fast, so the new 982 GT4 will need to up it's game to stay ahead. You will notice I refer to the 982 GT4. If it's a 6 cylinder engine then it's not a 718.
Brian
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