Cayman GT4: Where are we up 2 now? Déjà vu Edition

[ralphmusic]

The new 982 GT4 needs to be designed principally as a keen driver's dream car. Dynamic chassis handling, balance, and braking are rated more than 0-60 times for the keen driver. The new GT4 will however need to post a 0-60 time beginning with a 3 to earn its place in the GT hierarchy, if only for reasons of publicity. I would agree with those who are wondering if the launch delay is comparative performance related. According to the technical data I've received, my new 2019 GPF 718 Cayman GTS PDK has the power and torque tweaked to compensate for the GPF fitment.

The new GT4 needs to be more than simply quicker to 0-60. It needs fully adjustable suspension, lightweight panels, and superior braking to appeal to the knowledgable track day owner. This is a niche car after all is said and done.

I await developments with great interest.

Brian

But Brian, the new GT4 will be the first Porsche GT road car that is based on a race car, unlike the GT3, GT3RS, GT2RS ....

 

[Brian_Innes]

Ralph,

If that is the case, it's an excellent change of tack for Porsche GT cars. The new GT4 will be even more of a niche product than previously..........95% track, 5% touring, looks like.

I'm more than happy with the car choice decision I have made.

Brian

 

[ChrisW]

Given the particulate filter limitation to the 718GT4 .... I wonder how close a modified 981GT4 might come to this ?

On a plus point, it could solve the noise issue at some tracks ...

The noise question is the only thing that would make me weary of spending £10k on upgrading my GT4 to the 430 bhp and more linear power delivery to 7500 rpm that would justify this investment ...

As a point of fun .. at Oulton Park the Toyota Yaris GRMN I took noise tested at 76dB .... almost 1000 times less noisy than the GT4 at 103.7dB ... it certainly made the noise testers giggle ! (And still turned in a 2:12, even if the front brake pads had almost disappeared after 80 miles) ...

 

[Motorhead]

Ralph,

If that is the case, it's an excellent change of tack for Porsche GT cars. The new GT4 will be even more of a niche product than previously..........95% track, 5% touring, looks like.

I'm more than happy with the car choice decision I have made.

Brian

Brian,

Speaking personally, I think we're deluding ourselves if we believe that the next GT4 road car will be significantly different from its 981 counterpart. Lightweight panels/glass, fully adjustable suspension front and rear, significantly uprated brakes? A pipe-dream I think, primarily on the basis of cost. The 981 was a comparative bargain at ~£64k and Porsche will want to keep the cost of the new car in proportion to their other sports cars. And although the GT4 is very much a track-focused car I suspect that , like GT3 owners, a relative small proportion of owners actually take their cars on track.

Just my tuppence worth of course and unfortunately I have to say that this discussion has now become (almost) as tedious as the Brexit debate..!

Jeff

 

[Brian_Innes]

Jeff,

I'll go along with all of that............

We can but dream of how things might be.........goes for both the new GT4 and Brexit!

Brian

 

[Motorhead]

Agreed Brian.

And just to close the CGT4 speculative rumour loop, I note that nothing has been forthcoming from the Essen Motor Show which opened yesterday.

LA....Essen....next stop Geneva?

Jeff

 

[ralphmusic]

Brian, Jeff,

In suggesting 'based on the race car' I was, tongue in cheek reflecting on the fact (what is one of those you might ask in this context) that the race car announcement on January 3 at Daytona before the road car orders opening in February and Geneva Show launch was evidence that the road GT4 was based on the race version....

Ralph

 

[Motorhead]

You are a tease Ralph..! Fortunately I know you of old so take many of your comments with a pinch of salt []

Maybe it's all a load of fluff from the US race teams, so let's wait and see what happens before Daytona.

Jeff

 

[ralphmusic]

Spyder in South Africa source rennlist. Diffuser looks deep and maybe actually will work?

Spotted in South Africa along with 992. Image: https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlist.com-vbulletin/1242x946/whatsapp_image_2018_12_05_at_08_38_46_b5a6914262725c813ca46f2bbab0d89c94618199.jpeg Image: https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlist.com-vbulletin/1242x926/whatsapp_image_2018_12_05_at_08_38_45_a6dacbf3f2c1ae50ea3565916501bf0e18466eaf.jpeg Image: https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlist.com-vbulletin/1242x941/whatsapp_image_2018_12_05_at_08_38_48_54c4b21c8e38789236b7f33c4621fdd88782e501.jpeg Image: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlist.com-vbulletin/1242x932/whatsapp_image_2018_12_05_at_08_38_47_1__7145a40c588f9e50e4f88ef95204e06e17825d01.jpeg Image: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlist.com-vbulletin/1242x943/whatsapp_image_2018_12_05_at_08_38_47_e16a92abf6a0f700b4425569d98550b9ed242bbe.jpeg

 

[Chris95]

From Porsche Newsroom:

The successor to the winning Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport will celebrate its world premiere on January 3, 2019, at the “Roar before Daytona” tests. The 718 Cayman GT4 Clubsport is the first ever production race car with body parts that are sustainably manufactured: the front hood, doors and rear wing are all made of natural-fibre composite material. Three weeks after its launch, the new clubsport racer will make its race debut at the 24 Hours of Daytona. The GT4 rounds off the clubsport family of Porsche Motorsport, which includes the 911 GT2 RS Clubsport and 935 models.

 

[Motorhead]

You'd have to assume that the road car will be announced before the racecar? Time's running out..!

Jeff

 

[ralphmusic]

You'd have to assume that the road car will be announced before the racecar? Time's running out..!

Jeff

Jeff,

Jan 3rd race car launch from a few posts ago, on the other two, I still reckon on orders in Feb and Geneva Show launch

Ralph

 

[Ray]

Strangest Cayman I have ever come across.

https://www.cargurus.co.u..._BwE#listing=125153681

 

[Twinfan]

You'd have to assume that the road car will be announced before the racecar? Time's running out..!

Jeff

Indeed, I'm sure Porsche won't want the race car spilling the beans on the engine spec. Unless it's all part of the marketing plan in some way?

 

[Motorhead]

You'd have to assume that the road car will be announced before the racecar? Time's running out..!

Jeff

Jeff,

Jan 3rd race car launch from a few posts ago, on the other two, I still reckon on orders in Feb and Geneva Show launch

Ralph

Agreed Ralph - that would be a logical timing.

3rd January is now the confirmed official race car announcement, so Porsche don’t have much wiggle room between now and Christmas/New Year to announce the road car spec. Should we expect something to materialise in the next two weeks? Based on the past year’s shinanegans I’m not holding my breath just yet!

Jeff

 

[ralphmusic]

From a rennlist member who has an old Clubsport and a new one on order..

"From what i can see there will be 3 options on the menu. Anybody will be able to order a new "basic" 718GT4 Clubsport for private track days (not road legal) but you will need to be in a series to get the other two versions.

The "basic" 718GT4 clubsport will give you the full cage and race bucket seat. It might very well come with two seats as an option (for ride alongs/coaching). I do not know if a spares package is included. It might not come with air jacks. It will be the lowest price clubsport. Perfect for those at private tracks, driving schools or for those who trailer their own car for D.E etc... The 718GT4 "Trophy package" will be for one make series. It will have air jacks, single seat, fire supression and spares package. Not sure on the fuel tank or brake package however. The 718GT4 "SRO" will come with carbon doors, carbon hood and carbon fenders/bumpers. Lightweight headlights and carbon fuel cell with dual master brake system. Other goodies will also be included" Interesting if true about the track day version but as I've seen several non-race team Clubsports run by private individuals perhaps not really new, just more up front about it. I tried to get an early Clubsport last time but got nowhere with Porsche and before I fully understood the trailer issue. In theory in the UK, individual SVA could be obtained to avoid use of a trailer (not recommended by the way)

 

[MrDemon]

these buyers don't know the engine yet ?

 

[Twinfan]

The US race teams do, they saw the car in August and placed orders then.

 

[MrDemon]

why no leaks then 3.8 x51 or 4.0 for the race cars ?

 

[Twinfan]

Non-disclosure agreements. They know but can't say.