Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?
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They mention one link: [link=https://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/989290-next-porsche-cayman-gt4-spied-at-the-nurburgring-2.html]https://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/989290-next-porsche-cayman-gt4-spied-at-the-nurburgring-2.html[/link]
Looking at the source code, the date on the page is hardcoded to 20 July 2015 at 17:05. I think this is the date the page was originally created but it's been updated with the new pics. However, they haven't updated the date/time stamp.
Sloppy coding, not fake news [8D]
Looking at the source code, the date on the page is hardcoded to 20 July 2015 at 17:05. I think this is the date the page was originally created but it's been updated with the new pics. However, they haven't updated the date/time stamp.
Sloppy coding, not fake news [8D]
well it won't be a 981 shape imo, so it's just a engine test mule car of which they have loads.
maybe seeing if the 4.0 is to fast to market, but it has to be faster than a 718 GTS so a very fine line of performance.
the old GT4 should have been x51, this detuned engine game is frustrating and puts you off a bit, because if you have the money and a slot you take the new GT3 now it's manual.
GT4 was king because it was the only manual GT car for sale, so zero choice, now there is a choice, one upgrades if one can.
maybe seeing if the 4.0 is to fast to market, but it has to be faster than a 718 GTS so a very fine line of performance.
the old GT4 should have been x51, this detuned engine game is frustrating and puts you off a bit, because if you have the money and a slot you take the new GT3 now it's manual.
GT4 was king because it was the only manual GT car for sale, so zero choice, now there is a choice, one upgrades if one can.
For those of you who've not seen it, there's been a contributor on PH who has diligently been recording the number of OPC GT4s both for sale and sold since November 2016 which makes interesting reading:
[link=https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=231&t=1558659&i=5600]https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=231&t=1558659&i=5600[/link]
It seems that approximately 100 cars have been sold in the past six months by Porsche dealerships alone - that's good, profitable business..! No doubt the Dealerships will be putting forward a strong case for a higher allocation of 982 GT4s when available.
As an aside, the 991 GT2 RS is due to be released later today and AP is quoted as saying:
We cannot exactly say it’s the right time for a particular model because we need the production capability,” he said. “We can only do one launch at a time. We have to look across the life cycle of all the models and decide when the perfect time is for something like this. But yes, a car like the GT2 RS makes most sense towards the end of the life cycle of each model.
Perhaps with the GT3 and GT2 launches out of the way, AP's team can now concentrate on the 982 GT4 launch..?
Jeff
[link=https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=231&t=1558659&i=5600]https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=231&t=1558659&i=5600[/link]
It seems that approximately 100 cars have been sold in the past six months by Porsche dealerships alone - that's good, profitable business..! No doubt the Dealerships will be putting forward a strong case for a higher allocation of 982 GT4s when available.
As an aside, the 991 GT2 RS is due to be released later today and AP is quoted as saying:
We cannot exactly say it’s the right time for a particular model because we need the production capability,” he said. “We can only do one launch at a time. We have to look across the life cycle of all the models and decide when the perfect time is for something like this. But yes, a car like the GT2 RS makes most sense towards the end of the life cycle of each model.
Perhaps with the GT3 and GT2 launches out of the way, AP's team can now concentrate on the 982 GT4 launch..?
Jeff
ted walker
New member
Picked up my yellow GT4 Club Sport from OPC Bristol last Thursday very impressed.
Well done Ted - a great time to own a GT4.
According to a chap on PH who's running a list of GT4s both for sale and sold by the official dealerships, 97 have been sold since November 2016; that's impressive business..! Prices still appear to be holding up well with a range of £84k - £96k.
No news as yet about the 982 GT4 but there are still rumblings that it will have a detuned GT3 engine; unlikely I would have thought if Porsche wants to keep the price reasonably competitve (c£70k?), although a capacity increase to 4.0L could be on the cards. As D says, the GT team are probably still busy with GT3 variants at the moment so it'll be a while before they can concentrate fully on engineering the next GT4. A release date Q1 2019?
Jeff
According to a chap on PH who's running a list of GT4s both for sale and sold by the official dealerships, 97 have been sold since November 2016; that's impressive business..! Prices still appear to be holding up well with a range of £84k - £96k.
No news as yet about the 982 GT4 but there are still rumblings that it will have a detuned GT3 engine; unlikely I would have thought if Porsche wants to keep the price reasonably competitve (c£70k?), although a capacity increase to 4.0L could be on the cards. As D says, the GT team are probably still busy with GT3 variants at the moment so it'll be a while before they can concentrate fully on engineering the next GT4. A release date Q1 2019?
Jeff
ted walker
New member
jeff . Yes I bought mine to use (apart from on salted roads). Already done 500 miles. Hope to take to Silverstone next weekend.
Ted
Well done you need to use it to appreciate it, it is a very good allround car which could do with a bit more power and lower gearing on 2nd and 3rd otherwise spot on. It is also capable of adjusting and with a few tweaks it gets even better.
I bought mine in March with 300 miles on it and I expect to see 4000 tomorrow it had its first track day last week at Donnington plus a hill climb at Prescott plus some spirited driving with like minded Porsche enthusiasts. It was properly run in at least it was after the first 300 miles which I cannot vouch for other than it had no overrevs. A really nice car that can be used on road and track and brings a smile, what more do you need.
Enjoy [
] your only here once ! (I think)
Well done you need to use it to appreciate it, it is a very good allround car which could do with a bit more power and lower gearing on 2nd and 3rd otherwise spot on. It is also capable of adjusting and with a few tweaks it gets even better.
I bought mine in March with 300 miles on it and I expect to see 4000 tomorrow it had its first track day last week at Donnington plus a hill climb at Prescott plus some spirited driving with like minded Porsche enthusiasts. It was properly run in at least it was after the first 300 miles which I cannot vouch for other than it had no overrevs. A really nice car that can be used on road and track and brings a smile, what more do you need.
Enjoy [
] your only here once ! (I think)
Found a good review which backs up what I have been saying for 2 years over every one else saying how good it is
"However, it was a great shock when we got our hands on the first one (Nov 2015), and we encountered the handling of the car. Not on the track only, but on the street. The stock car is HORRIBLE in terms of setup. Now, how could this be? How could Porsche spend all the time, thought, research, testing, and have a car that even on the street is horrible to drive aggressively? "
lol people who drive stock cars cars are really driving ****ters been saying it since my pec test back in august 2015.
Do do yourself a favour get the car set up, and yes you will need 3rd party parts.
its like i wrote the review lol
" When we first mention this to new GT4 owners, they look at us in complete dismay....."you must be wrong, this car is great."
One day day I might get some respect on some thing......
"However, it was a great shock when we got our hands on the first one (Nov 2015), and we encountered the handling of the car. Not on the track only, but on the street. The stock car is HORRIBLE in terms of setup. Now, how could this be? How could Porsche spend all the time, thought, research, testing, and have a car that even on the street is horrible to drive aggressively? "
lol people who drive stock cars cars are really driving ****ters
been saying it since my pec test back in august 2015. Do do yourself a favour get the car set up, and yes you will need 3rd party parts.
its like i wrote the review lol
" When we first mention this to new GT4 owners, they look at us in complete dismay....."you must be wrong, this car is great."
One day day I might get some respect on some thing......
Link to article?
Memories of the stock 964RS on the street!
Although Ralph has quite rightly opened the Déjà vu Edition of this thread for the Mk2 GT4, I happened to look back at my original version and was surprised to find that it's exactly 3-years to the day since I posted it.
Then, as now, there was a lot of speculation about the specification of the new car, both on the forums and in the press, and I'm pleased to note that we weren't far off the mark. The car was creating a lot of interest amongst Caymanites because it seemed that Porsche had at last chosen to give the car the power and chassis it deserved, albeit within engineering and price constraints. When the car appeared in early February 2015 it was universally well received by the press and also subsequently by the lucky 6,000 or so lucky people who'd managed to secure a slot. There were muted grumblings about the engine and long gearing not being true to the Porsche GT traditions, but here was a very affordable entry level Porsche GT car. Such is the car's popularity that, currently, well-spec'd versions of the car are still commanding inflated prices.
So here we are again, this time with some dubious pictures on the forums of what may or not be the next version of the GT4. Just like the difficult second album the 718/982 GT4 could prove to be a slight anti-climax, not least because this time we know more or less what to expect:
Although Brian is in a majority of one in predicting that it'll have the flat-4 turbo engine, the money is on it having a n/a flat-6 4.0L engine for reasons that I've outlined elsewhere. The longer stroke engine could mean a slight reduction in max revs but the capacity increase will see increases in power (400+PS) and torque. Some reverse-engineering will be required to fit the engine in the 718 engine bay, but there should be plenty of room bearing in mind that the 718 BIW is just a modified 981.
If Porsche are looking at a £70k price-point then I doubt that there's enough in the budget for a bespoke manual transmission with shorter internal ratios/final drive. The extra torque of the larger engine would tend to support this. With all the work having been done on the GT4 Clubsport, I have the feeling that the PDK transmission will be offered as an option this time (which will please Ralph!).
As before, where possible the brakes and chassis components most likely will be carried over from the GT3 in order to provide the required stopping power and suspension adjustability.
The pictures grabbing everyone's attention at the moment appear to be that of a 718GTS with a bigger rear wing and diffuser, but at the moment I remain unconvinced that this is the final item; it's just not dramatic enough for a Porsche GT car..! Although the 718's larger air-scoops could well be adequate for the n/a engine I'm sure that the new car will require the central coolant radiator and feature the GT-car bonnet slot. Also the front PU looks a bit tame - where are the big mesh intakes??
Last time we were hoping for bucket seats as standard but were disappointed to learn that they were to be a (very expensive!) option, so I can't see much changing this time around. I expect to see something like a GTS interior but with the usual door-pull straps and, as before, the Club Sport Package will be offered along with the multitude of other options available in the 718 range.
Surprisingly we've not yet seen any activity for the new car at the 'Ring but since AP & Co have been involved heavily in the various GT3 and GT2 launches they should now be in a position to advance development work on the GT4, so maybe the Geneva show in March 2018 could be a target date for the launch. One important thing to remember is that the 718 Spyder is being developed by the general engineering group and not AP's GT-car group, so any forum chatter about the Spyder isn't necessarily appropriate for the GT4.
Apologies to those who've made it through this lengthy diatribe - as usual, just my tuppence-worth.
Jeff
Then, as now, there was a lot of speculation about the specification of the new car, both on the forums and in the press, and I'm pleased to note that we weren't far off the mark. The car was creating a lot of interest amongst Caymanites because it seemed that Porsche had at last chosen to give the car the power and chassis it deserved, albeit within engineering and price constraints. When the car appeared in early February 2015 it was universally well received by the press and also subsequently by the lucky 6,000 or so lucky people who'd managed to secure a slot. There were muted grumblings about the engine and long gearing not being true to the Porsche GT traditions, but here was a very affordable entry level Porsche GT car. Such is the car's popularity that, currently, well-spec'd versions of the car are still commanding inflated prices.
So here we are again, this time with some dubious pictures on the forums of what may or not be the next version of the GT4. Just like the difficult second album the 718/982 GT4 could prove to be a slight anti-climax, not least because this time we know more or less what to expect:
Although Brian is in a majority of one in predicting that it'll have the flat-4 turbo engine, the money is on it having a n/a flat-6 4.0L engine for reasons that I've outlined elsewhere. The longer stroke engine could mean a slight reduction in max revs but the capacity increase will see increases in power (400+PS) and torque. Some reverse-engineering will be required to fit the engine in the 718 engine bay, but there should be plenty of room bearing in mind that the 718 BIW is just a modified 981.
If Porsche are looking at a £70k price-point then I doubt that there's enough in the budget for a bespoke manual transmission with shorter internal ratios/final drive. The extra torque of the larger engine would tend to support this. With all the work having been done on the GT4 Clubsport, I have the feeling that the PDK transmission will be offered as an option this time (which will please Ralph!).
As before, where possible the brakes and chassis components most likely will be carried over from the GT3 in order to provide the required stopping power and suspension adjustability.
The pictures grabbing everyone's attention at the moment appear to be that of a 718GTS with a bigger rear wing and diffuser, but at the moment I remain unconvinced that this is the final item; it's just not dramatic enough for a Porsche GT car..! Although the 718's larger air-scoops could well be adequate for the n/a engine I'm sure that the new car will require the central coolant radiator and feature the GT-car bonnet slot. Also the front PU looks a bit tame - where are the big mesh intakes??
Last time we were hoping for bucket seats as standard but were disappointed to learn that they were to be a (very expensive!) option, so I can't see much changing this time around. I expect to see something like a GTS interior but with the usual door-pull straps and, as before, the Club Sport Package will be offered along with the multitude of other options available in the 718 range.
Surprisingly we've not yet seen any activity for the new car at the 'Ring but since AP & Co have been involved heavily in the various GT3 and GT2 launches they should now be in a position to advance development work on the GT4, so maybe the Geneva show in March 2018 could be a target date for the launch. One important thing to remember is that the 718 Spyder is being developed by the general engineering group and not AP's GT-car group, so any forum chatter about the Spyder isn't necessarily appropriate for the GT4.
Apologies to those who've made it through this lengthy diatribe - as usual, just my tuppence-worth.
Jeff
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