You could indeed. Dan Gannon had a go in mine yesterday and he certainly knows how to extract a good lap from most cars. He has plenty of race experience and it shows. Very fast, smooth, controlled.
Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?
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Great pic Brian - happy days no boubt..!
You've got a mention here: [link=http://www.imps4ever.info/racing/races/mason_stiletto.html]http://www.imps4ever.info/racing/races/mason_stiletto.html[/link]
I'm sure that you'll get a lot of pleasure from your latest steed...even though it's not a GT4.
Jeff
You've got a mention here: [link=http://www.imps4ever.info/racing/races/mason_stiletto.html]http://www.imps4ever.info/racing/races/mason_stiletto.html[/link]
I'm sure that you'll get a lot of pleasure from your latest steed...even though it's not a GT4.
Jeff
Back on topic, PH were interviewing Andreas Preuninger (official title - Manager for High Performance Cars) and Dr Frank Walliser (head of the whole GT and Motorsport department) at the Geneva show.
The general topic was the GT3 but -
"On a related theme and given the GT3 is the last 911 in the range to use a naturally-aspirated engine will the Cayman GT4 replacement use a similar engine or a tickled four-cylinder turbo? "Do we look like four-cylinder guys?" asks Preuninger. Walliser laughs along but makes the point the 718 engine is something unique in the market and not without its advantages."
Make of that what you will..!
Jeff
The general topic was the GT3 but -
"On a related theme and given the GT3 is the last 911 in the range to use a naturally-aspirated engine will the Cayman GT4 replacement use a similar engine or a tickled four-cylinder turbo? "Do we look like four-cylinder guys?" asks Preuninger. Walliser laughs along but makes the point the 718 engine is something unique in the market and not without its advantages."
Make of that what you will..!
Jeff
Brian_Innes
Member
Interesting comment from AP, Jeff.
IMO it would be premature to write off the 4 pot turbo before it's future development and placement in the Porsche range is established. I agree the howling six is fabulous and will always be the "Porsche sound" for some. But there is now a new kid on the block, and take it from me as a six fan, the new engine, once you get used to it, delivers in spades.
I see Tech Art have been working on the 718 CS as shown below in the Car mag link.
[link=http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-events/geneva/2017/techart-adds-muscle-to-the-porsche-718-cayman/]http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-events/geneva/2017/techart-adds-muscle-to-the-porsche-718-cayman/[/link]
Could this be a hint of things to come? e.g. GTS, GT4 and more.
Don't dismiss the 4 pot just yet.
Brian
IMO it would be premature to write off the 4 pot turbo before it's future development and placement in the Porsche range is established. I agree the howling six is fabulous and will always be the "Porsche sound" for some. But there is now a new kid on the block, and take it from me as a six fan, the new engine, once you get used to it, delivers in spades.
I see Tech Art have been working on the 718 CS as shown below in the Car mag link.
[link=http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-events/geneva/2017/techart-adds-muscle-to-the-porsche-718-cayman/]http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-events/geneva/2017/techart-adds-muscle-to-the-porsche-718-cayman/[/link]
Could this be a hint of things to come? e.g. GTS, GT4 and more.
Don't dismiss the 4 pot just yet.
Brian
That's right Brian.
According to Evo magazine, speaking at the Geneva show Porsche CEO Oliver Blume -
"confirmed that there was no way back for the company’s fabled naturally aspirated boxer engines and that the company’s engineers were focussed on turbocharging for its range of sports cars. However, Blume confirmed that Porsche’s engineers will continue to develop a naturally aspirated engine for the GT3 and GT3 RS for as long as it can meet with emissions legislation. The next generation of Cayman GT4 will also continue to shun forced induction in favour of a naturally aspirated flat-six engine."
We'll just have to wait and see what develops powertrain-wise on the CGT4 front next year.
Jeff
According to Evo magazine, speaking at the Geneva show Porsche CEO Oliver Blume -
"confirmed that there was no way back for the company’s fabled naturally aspirated boxer engines and that the company’s engineers were focussed on turbocharging for its range of sports cars. However, Blume confirmed that Porsche’s engineers will continue to develop a naturally aspirated engine for the GT3 and GT3 RS for as long as it can meet with emissions legislation. The next generation of Cayman GT4 will also continue to shun forced induction in favour of a naturally aspirated flat-six engine."
We'll just have to wait and see what develops powertrain-wise on the CGT4 front next year.
Jeff
Yes, we will just have to be patient ...
The suspension mods were very effective at Oulton --- although I'm never one for chasing a time I generally try to get an idea of pace at the quiet end of a track day ... either from a slice of video or a time from the pit wall or something, just to take home.
I seem to have found around four seconds ...
The suspension mods were very effective at Oulton --- although I'm never one for chasing a time I generally try to get an idea of pace at the quiet end of a track day ... either from a slice of video or a time from the pit wall or something, just to take home.
I seem to have found around four seconds ...
I hope to see a small gain with the new DSC unit.
Based on conversations in Germany over the last few days, a 4.0L version of the current 3.8L engine seems likely for the Gen 2 GT4. Whether to offer both manual and PDK options is apparently a marketing decision.
Brian_Innes
Member
Settle down boys.......settle down.
I clicked on this thread to see what the latest news was on the new GT4, if indeed that ever happens.
Instead I found the old PDK v Manual dust-up starting again, with a Macan demographic and computer racing games spat thrown into the mix. Each to our own, guys.
Brian
I clicked on this thread to see what the latest news was on the new GT4, if indeed that ever happens.
Instead I found the old PDK v Manual dust-up starting again, with a Macan demographic and computer racing games spat thrown into the mix. Each to our own, guys.
Brian
BJ Innes said:
You must have gone back to the beginning as that was a long time ago.
After Mercedes new GT4 race car comes Audi's R8 GT4 race contender
[link=http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/new-audi-r8-lms-gt4-continues-quest-to-dominate-every-s-1794236489]http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/new-audi-r8-lms-gt4-continues-quest-to-dominate-every-s-1794236489[/link]
Porsche's GT4 Clubsport is going to have trouble keeping the 2017 competion behind.
[link=http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/new-audi-r8-lms-gt4-continues-quest-to-dominate-every-s-1794236489]http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/new-audi-r8-lms-gt4-continues-quest-to-dominate-every-s-1794236489[/link]
Porsche's GT4 Clubsport is going to have trouble keeping the 2017 competion behind.
Today's Autocar reports that AP has confirmed that the next GT4 will have a de-tuned 4.0 GT3 engine with the choice of either manual or PDK. No mention of a date but whenever it arrives speculators/flippers will not be welcome!
spyderwhite
Member
Sounds interesting if true and a car I would want more than the new gt3 ! If true then we could be looking at next year maybe as early as Geneva!
If true, that will be an interesting proposition but I reckon that it'll have to be more than simply a detune. The 4.0L capacity is easy to achieve but somehow I can't see features such as titanium conrods and the finger operated valves making it into the GT3's sibling, unless there's going to be a significant price hike over the previous GT4 - which is inevitable anyway (we'll most probably be looking at an entry price ~ £70k).
More likely I think we'll see an adaptation of the 981 engine. However, a true "junior" GT3 would be fantastic so let's hope AP is true to his word.
Porsche are struggling with capacity for the Boxster/Cayman 718 and will be looking to extend the range further with GTS versions, so I can't see a Gen2 GT4 arriving before MY2019 at the moment.
Just my tuppence-worth of course.
Jeff
More likely I think we'll see an adaptation of the 981 engine. However, a true "junior" GT3 would be fantastic so let's hope AP is true to his word.
Porsche are struggling with capacity for the Boxster/Cayman 718 and will be looking to extend the range further with GTS versions, so I can't see a Gen2 GT4 arriving before MY2019 at the moment.
Just my tuppence-worth of course.
Jeff
spyderwhite
Member
If it has the gt3 engine I expect it to start at £90k if a 4.0 version of the 9A1 £80k and f4. Turbo £70k!
If the gt3 lump is de tuned to 450-475 hp can't see it causing issues unlike if they detune it to 425hp then using that engine is pointless might as well use the engine it has now or will they noble it with the gearing!
If the gt3 lump is de tuned to 450-475 hp can't see it causing issues unlike if they detune it to 425hp then using that engine is pointless might as well use the engine it has now or will they noble it with the gearing!
spyderwhite
Member
MY 2019 will start production mid 2018 hence Feb 2018 release at Geneva !
991.2 reaches end of life next cycle next year freeing up capacity with the 718 to follow early 2019
991.2 reaches end of life next cycle next year freeing up capacity with the 718 to follow early 2019
The choice is hard now the GT3 is manual and has at last a race proven engine.
The 991 GT3 was auto only and the engine blew up !!! so I went GT4 route as I only really buy Manuals, so the GT3 was never in the running anyway.
I am lucky and have a 2018 GT3 coming speced as manual, my biggest issues with the GT4 was a "detuned engine" but it offered manual which is so hard to come by in todays auto's and now 4 pot engines !!! .
So the GT4 was a win win buy for me, great price for a 3.8 NA manual drivers car with adjustable sus, I will have had it two years and will get my 100% of my money back.
I am a Cayman man though and through, but would I want a detuned GT4 4.0l when one can have a manual GT3 with the real 500BHP engine, not a chance.
I am not a 911 person at heart, but I do want this new 500BHP race proven engine and now you can again buy a manual, it's the car of choice.
That does not take anything away from the GT4 it's been fun and the GT3 is £55k more money after all.
But I hate the word "detuned" lol
And I will miss it, I love mid engines cars, but I am keeping my 987.2 Spyder ;-)
The 991 GT3 was auto only and the engine blew up !!! so I went GT4 route as I only really buy Manuals, so the GT3 was never in the running anyway.
I am lucky and have a 2018 GT3 coming speced as manual, my biggest issues with the GT4 was a "detuned engine" but it offered manual which is so hard to come by in todays auto's and now 4 pot engines !!! .
So the GT4 was a win win buy for me, great price for a 3.8 NA manual drivers car with adjustable sus, I will have had it two years and will get my 100% of my money back.
I am a Cayman man though and through, but would I want a detuned GT4 4.0l when one can have a manual GT3 with the real 500BHP engine, not a chance.
I am not a 911 person at heart, but I do want this new 500BHP race proven engine and now you can again buy a manual, it's the car of choice.
That does not take anything away from the GT4 it's been fun and the GT3 is £55k more money after all.
But I hate the word "detuned" lol
And I will miss it, I love mid engines cars, but I am keeping my 987.2 Spyder ;-)
Brian_Innes
Member
Lucky you! Getting an order for a 2018 GT3 is a big event for any true enthusiast. I am very envious David.
Those who follow my posts will know that I am a track day manual gear-shifter exponent of many decades experience. It's a core skill which never leaves you. Like riding a bike. The new GT3 manual will be an absolute joy to drive. On the track, the PDK GT3 will be faster, but that's by-the-way.
You can look forward to owning the best driver's car available. Enjoy!
Brian
Those who follow my posts will know that I am a track day manual gear-shifter exponent of many decades experience. It's a core skill which never leaves you. Like riding a bike. The new GT3 manual will be an absolute joy to drive. On the track, the PDK GT3 will be faster, but that's by-the-way.
You can look forward to owning the best driver's car available. Enjoy!
Brian
Brian_Innes
Member
Thought this Porsche Motorsport video may be of interest. The new GT3 PDK at Nordschleife setting a record lap.....again.
[link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvSAPVwHvIY&feature=youtu.be]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvSAPVwHvIY&feature=youtu.be[/link]
There is no doubt at all about PDK being being faster on the track. Just watch and listen to the gear changes on this video. Imagine trying to do those shifts manually with a leg and an arm while cornering at those G forces...........A big moment would be forthcoming.
PDK is the way for absolute speed and precision.........I say that with a heavy heart.
Brian
[link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvSAPVwHvIY&feature=youtu.be]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvSAPVwHvIY&feature=youtu.be[/link]
There is no doubt at all about PDK being being faster on the track. Just watch and listen to the gear changes on this video. Imagine trying to do those shifts manually with a leg and an arm while cornering at those G forces...........A big moment would be forthcoming.
PDK is the way for absolute speed and precision.........I say that with a heavy heart.
Brian
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