Indeed Clubsport. As I previously questioned, whilst I get the track focussed nature of the car, if Porsche tries to make out that a Cayman 'needs' a big aero package to handle 375hp then I won't buy that. It's a brilliant car and probably just needs more traction from a wider rear track and tyres to handle it. Of course it'll go even with the aero package, but it does exclude those who just want a faster Cayman in 'S' guise without a harsh ride and big wing. On a similar note, ever wondered how a Cayman S Black Edition with PASM would keep up with a Cayman R around a track. Same engine, different aero, different suspension, 55kg weight difference if you strip the R of radio and AC etc as per brochure, so let's say 40kg. Porsche said the Spyder is 7 seconds quicker around the Nurburgring than an 'S' but wouldn't publish a time, but thatt a very long lap, slight power advantage and 80kg advantage. But I'm going off topic. The GT4 is what the GT4 is intended to be.
Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?
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And if you want more power for your 987 Cayman... Try SVP http://www.ferdinandmagazine.com/3-9-litre-porsche-cayman-svp
Agreed on most points Paul. For reference*, in wind tunnel tests the small "duck's tail" spoiler on the original 911 Carrera RS reduced rear lift at 150mph from 145kgf to 42kgf with the standard front air dam in place. The huge front spoiler and rear aerofoil on the 935 race car generated a rear downforce of 105kgf at 125mph and 235kgf at 187mph. And note that even with their large rear spoilers, the 964 and 993 Turbos had small but positive rear lift coefficients, ie rear lift rather than downforce. I can't see the GT4's front spoiler and rear aerofoil arrangement generating much downforce, if any. On what's going to be primarily a road car, perhaps of more concern is the location of the rear wing on the Cayman's rear hatch. Sticking such a device in the airstream is going to channel broadband aero forces into what is potentially a large sounding board which [on the 987 - but not sure about the 981] already encompasses a tuned mass absorber to eliminate a boom problem caused by rear hatch vibration. Jeff * Paul Frere's Porsche 911 Story
Very tasty..! Particularly like the glossy black bits against the red paint in the sunset. Circa £90k for a 3.8L 420hp Cayman is expensive. But then it's a Ruf, so it's bespoke and very well engineered and developed. JeffORIGINAL: MrDemon No resale value in modding a car at all, in fact the buggers are ni on impossible to sell. If one wants a >400bhp Cayman you just buy a Ruf 3800 Coupe at least you can sell it on. they do look very nice and 420bhp
So how does that play to your mods?
Will be interesting to see who buys a GT4. The initial launch of the 987 Spyder was met with some comments about the £4K premium over a Boxster S. £4K is quite reasonable given what some Porsches cost. The Cayman GTS is quite pricey (considering that the GTS interior is an additional cost option, unlike the 997 GTS). That said, it remains to be seen how many Cayman buyers will want to dig even deeper to cover the cost of a GT4. I'm sure there'll be many enthusiasts ready to snap them up second hand (if they're not too limited and depreciate slightly at first) but that depends on enough people buying them new and then changing their mind. A lot of Spyder & R buyers seem to be used car buyers and many ended up being sold as ex-demo cars. I for one couldn't afford a brand new 987 Spyder, R, or 981 GTS, just speaking for myself. I think the GT4 will sell out quickly though, unlike the previous cars I mentioned. But will current Cayman owners be buying this car (so far only MrD?) or buyers for whom their usual choices are considerably more expensive?
spyderwhite
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Looking at the mule car rear spoiler you can clearly make out the alloy frame underneath the tape and also looking at the 997.2 gt3 RS rear wing looks very similar albeit narrower supports !the 3rs also has a ducktail!could the fixings be attached underneath the hatch?could the rear wing be a club sport extra?i quite like it with a nice duck tail and no rear wing
spyderwhite
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It will only sell quickly if it has the right engine and is the right price ie na 3.6/3.8 370 hp+and less than £80k(inc.extras) otherwise most will keep their CR/Spyder
I suppose it depends upon the GT4 price point 6. It's relatively easy to spec a Cayman S/GTS to £60k+, so a GT4 starting price around £65k will appeal to those wanting a more focused Cayman. Given the apparent limited availability, Porsche are clearly testing the water and will be interested to see if the car appeals to owners of GT3s, etc. And there are always plenty of people out there who will buy a limited edition car with the intention of selling it on to make a fast buck. Jeff
Having visited the RUF premises on the FV recently I have a brochure for the 3800 S 2014 model and it starts off at 104k e for the 6 spd manual Coupe with 6 piston mono bloc 350mm front brakes, 299 mm 4 piston rear, light weight 20inch wheels, hydraulic front axle lift. Options include: Bucket seats (+ CTR3 - wow!) Fire Extinguisher Sounds good value to me v's GT4 if it is at 80k + options. Anyone interested?ORIGINAL: MotorheadVery tasty..! Particularly like the glossy black bits against the red paint in the sunset. Circa £90k for a 3.8L 420hp Cayman is expensive. But then it's a Ruf, so it's bespoke and very well engineered and developed. JeffORIGINAL: MrDemon No resale value in modding a car at all, in fact the buggers are ni on impossible to sell. If one wants a >400bhp Cayman you just buy a Ruf 3800 Coupe at least you can sell it on. they do look very nice and 420bhp
If you mean that the wing struts could pass through the rear hatch and be attached directly to the body, then I think that's a non-starter. You might just as well weld the hatch to the body because it would be impossible to open it. A relatively straightforward job to attach the wing to a modified tailgate. The rear wing and front air dam form a complete aero package, so the wing wouldn't be sold separately. If you look at the pics, a small duck tail is present in addition to the rear wing. I rather like the neatness of the current active rear wing in its deactivated mode. Jeff
Ha! I suggested Richard add RuF but I couldn't make the September trip. I was hoping to arrange an individual visit to them over this Spring's FV. Not sure about pricing though and whether their brochure price would include UK car tax and VAT. The Forstners Boxster (below) advertised price is €111,755 + VAT + delivery & registration http://www.bobforstner.co.uk/product/new-2014-ruf-3800s-roadster/ Nice car though but it would be interesting to see what a used Cayman with reasonable specification plus 3.8S engine, brakes,suspension and wheels on an individual basis would cost.
Ralph, I have their latest list price and the taxes to be taken into account of course. I assume you can deal directly with them rather than via UK agent. It's a fantastic spec car IMO more like a GT3 and with 420 bhp would drive quite like one. Well worth the trip, if you're planning to visit them.
spyderwhite
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For me to get really excited it needs to be 385hp 3.8 as per 997.2s a tuned 3.4 is no good as the cr/ spyder can be tuned to 360hp and a 3.6 I cannot see happening! Porsche have uncovered the 911 and cayenne Gts and the special panamera but there is still 4 covers to come off on the LA show website???
Chris, Purpose of planned visit is to see for myself how they are put together. Forstners are exclusive agents for UK so would be bought through them - sure they would facilitate visit to RuF also.
Chris, The planned visit is to see for myself how they are put together - they of course have a very good reputation. Forstners are exclusive in the UK so any supply would be through them. Questions for Forstners who I will visit in the New Year when next in London include - who would service - warranty and extensions - have insurers ever heard of them? + etc.
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