Cayman GT4: Where are we up to now?
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Those trim cuts look pretty horrible given the quality in the rest of the cabin.
Jeff,
Early days yet but there is little doubt that 23 years of development means that the GT4 is way better than the 964RS in most ways. For most people there could only be one winner - the Cayman. However, on some of my favourite back-roads I do find myself occasionally braking in places that I have not needed to do in the old car. Bearing in mind that I am still running it in, I don't think its down to faster approach speeds. It is probably a case of familiarity and a narrower car.
I absolutely love the new car and drive it whenever I can to the extent that I am currently not using the old one at all. BUT, I miss using it and will be out in it again soon, I hope. The GT4 is so much more user friemdly that you can eassily consider it for day trips with a bit of fun thrown in for good measure. I used the RS a fair bit on the road, more than most, but it was usually for an hour's fun unless we were on a road-trip or driving to a track day.
I hope to keep them both for a long time, permanent/local/safe/accessible storage for the second car being the only potential limiting factor that I can see.
I am really looking forward to getting maximum use out of the GT4, mainly next year as winter will soon get in the way to some extent. I will keep using the RS occasionally and it will be interesting to compare as time goes on. I fully expect that the GT will continue to feel better and better and the RS will start to feel old somehow but hopefully in a very good way. We'll see and I will make the occasional comparrison on here as there are plenty of 964 owners out there that are more than a little interested in GT4s.
Ian
Early days yet but there is little doubt that 23 years of development means that the GT4 is way better than the 964RS in most ways. For most people there could only be one winner - the Cayman. However, on some of my favourite back-roads I do find myself occasionally braking in places that I have not needed to do in the old car. Bearing in mind that I am still running it in, I don't think its down to faster approach speeds. It is probably a case of familiarity and a narrower car.
I absolutely love the new car and drive it whenever I can to the extent that I am currently not using the old one at all. BUT, I miss using it and will be out in it again soon, I hope. The GT4 is so much more user friemdly that you can eassily consider it for day trips with a bit of fun thrown in for good measure. I used the RS a fair bit on the road, more than most, but it was usually for an hour's fun unless we were on a road-trip or driving to a track day.
I hope to keep them both for a long time, permanent/local/safe/accessible storage for the second car being the only potential limiting factor that I can see.
I am really looking forward to getting maximum use out of the GT4, mainly next year as winter will soon get in the way to some extent. I will keep using the RS occasionally and it will be interesting to compare as time goes on. I fully expect that the GT will continue to feel better and better and the RS will start to feel old somehow but hopefully in a very good way. We'll see and I will make the occasional comparrison on here as there are plenty of 964 owners out there that are more than a little interested in GT4s.
Ian
Nice to see you got it Ian. Hope to see it at a track day next year! Looking forward to updates on driving both cars.
Question on insurance, mine will be insured through Marsh, as the policy on my 991 C4S is mid term and I end up getting a rebate when I swap cars over, but the real question is what value do you insure your car for ?.
The price you paid for it or for how much it would cost you to replace it, this is nothing to do with speculating just interesting in where people are going or have gone with it.
My 3.2 and MGB are both on guaranteed valuations, my 991 is a normal policy.
On another note, my car should have been built yesterday (15th) but looks as though it will be today.
SteveJC
The price you paid for it or for how much it would cost you to replace it, this is nothing to do with speculating just interesting in where people are going or have gone with it.
My 3.2 and MGB are both on guaranteed valuations, my 991 is a normal policy.
On another note, my car should have been built yesterday (15th) but looks as though it will be today.
SteveJC
Mine is insured on agreed value and not market value, if there is a total loss within the first 12 months the insurance company would only be able to return you the invoice value as they obviously wouldn't be able to replace it with a like for like new car (although some insurers don't offer the new like for like replacement anymore within the first 12 months). The agreed value did cost more but worth it and i'm insured with Zurich Private Clients.
Steve,
As Ian has pointed out, it is possible to get an agreed value on a brand new car (at a price), and although used GT4s are fetching ~£30k over list at the moment it seems unlikely that you'll get more than your purchase price. If the car's written off then it's debatable what the market value will be, in the short term at least. It's probably worth speaking to Marsh to get their take on agreed versus market price.
Good to hear that your car is now being built. Any idea when you'll get delivery? Hope all goes smoothly.
Jeff
As Ian has pointed out, it is possible to get an agreed value on a brand new car (at a price), and although used GT4s are fetching ~£30k over list at the moment it seems unlikely that you'll get more than your purchase price. If the car's written off then it's debatable what the market value will be, in the short term at least. It's probably worth speaking to Marsh to get their take on agreed versus market price.
Good to hear that your car is now being built. Any idea when you'll get delivery? Hope all goes smoothly.
Jeff
I am with Manning because of their track day cover and the principle of my insurance is replacement cost. What of course that means remains to be negotiated in the event of an unhappy event. Nevertheless I have provided evidence of base car replacement cost plus cost of mods, the total of which I have used as the insured value under the policy.
I've been with Zurich Private Clients for the best part of 10 years. With 5 cars insured, it's a fair sum. I've just been in touch with Direct Line, as I'm wanting to insure a friend on my Land Rover Defender. I prefer a stand alone policy, in case so that the Zurich policy is not affected by any potential claim arising from my friend's driving. Whilst speaking to Direct Line, I discussed all my cars with them & their 'multi car discount' would cost about 60 or 70 % of the Zurich's premium. A dilemma ! Any views from others with experience of Direct Line would be appreciated.
I have gone with Nowell and Richards. There is ample track cover, no need for a tracker and I've insured it for £100k. Garaged, £800 with all the extras you'd expect from a proper specialist. Call 01785 255514, I think the guy was called Tom or Ben - highly recommended if you want something bespoke to these cars rather than simply the cheapest.
I spent many hours seeking quotes, too many to remember but N and R impressed the most in that they took time to consider what I required including no tracker, repairer of choice, trackday cover including Europe but mainly the understanding of the peculiar situation regarding the current value of our cars. They weren't the cheapest but there has to be more to it than that with a car like this.
As I mentioned previously, Porsche's own insurance was very competitive, second cheapest from memory and may be worth a call.
As I mentioned previously, Porsche's own insurance was very competitive, second cheapest from memory and may be worth a call.
Here is a further update for anyone that's interested. Two more good days this weekend, all fun/sporting miles and I'm just short of 1000 miles in total, now.
I have to say that I remain entirely delighted with the car, I love everything about it apart from the electric hanbrake (easy to use but can be clunky) and all the stupid legal backside covering nonsense requiring you to put your foot on the clutch for this and on the brake for that....
I am constantly bemused by the criticism of tall gearing and occasional understeer. On the road I am changing gear so often, which is a very satisfying experience. Granted I'm not going anywhere near to the red-line but with any amount of restraint on the road the thing simply flies on part-throttle but constant torque, whatever the gear. I have experienced understeer twice and both times it was slight and down to me making mistakes and backing off the throttle on unfamiliar corners. The rest of the time (hundreds of times) it goes where you'd expect and will actually lose the rear quite easily (more so than in my 964, probably due to the torque exiting corners even with all the nannying in place). Slow in/fast out gives impressive speed and adjustability, I have noticed the bobbing that I mentioned previously but it is infrequent and only happens on high speed constant-radius corners where it merely fidgets about but it is noticeable when it does happen. The steering is very good.
It is quite easy to drive and easy to place on the road but not so easy to reverse as the rear spoiler obscures the view. What I am trying to say, overall, is that if you are in any way 'normal' as far as driving ability, expectations and behaviour on the road is concerned, then you are in for a real treat if you are awaiting your GT4. It's a shame that winter is just around the corner.
Ian
I have to say that I remain entirely delighted with the car, I love everything about it apart from the electric hanbrake (easy to use but can be clunky) and all the stupid legal backside covering nonsense requiring you to put your foot on the clutch for this and on the brake for that....
I am constantly bemused by the criticism of tall gearing and occasional understeer. On the road I am changing gear so often, which is a very satisfying experience. Granted I'm not going anywhere near to the red-line but with any amount of restraint on the road the thing simply flies on part-throttle but constant torque, whatever the gear. I have experienced understeer twice and both times it was slight and down to me making mistakes and backing off the throttle on unfamiliar corners. The rest of the time (hundreds of times) it goes where you'd expect and will actually lose the rear quite easily (more so than in my 964, probably due to the torque exiting corners even with all the nannying in place). Slow in/fast out gives impressive speed and adjustability, I have noticed the bobbing that I mentioned previously but it is infrequent and only happens on high speed constant-radius corners where it merely fidgets about but it is noticeable when it does happen. The steering is very good.
It is quite easy to drive and easy to place on the road but not so easy to reverse as the rear spoiler obscures the view. What I am trying to say, overall, is that if you are in any way 'normal' as far as driving ability, expectations and behaviour on the road is concerned, then you are in for a real treat if you are awaiting your GT4. It's a shame that winter is just around the corner.
Ian
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