New RMS Thread
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engineerjim
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Thanks. It is a dream car and I am looking forward to many happy years together
Engineerjim,
Don't worry about the big RMS debate too much. Go have a look at any car park and you will see a tell-tale patch of oil from thousands of cars which have a bit of a drip from the engine.
Porsche see a bit of a drip and they report it as a RMS failure and charge you £600 plus.
If you do see a tell tale drip, crawl under your car and see how long it takes to drip off. If you are under your car all night then forget about having panic attacks - just keep a watchful eye and start saving slowly - it will probably last a year or so.....
Now, on the other hand, about those slipping liners.....[
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Don't worry about the big RMS debate too much. Go have a look at any car park and you will see a tell-tale patch of oil from thousands of cars which have a bit of a drip from the engine.
Porsche see a bit of a drip and they report it as a RMS failure and charge you £600 plus.
If you do see a tell tale drip, crawl under your car and see how long it takes to drip off. If you are under your car all night then forget about having panic attacks - just keep a watchful eye and start saving slowly - it will probably last a year or so.....
Now, on the other hand, about those slipping liners.....[
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Well I finally am getting my 3rd engine installed after 900 miles of owning
my first 996... picking the car up tomorrow, so hope all goes well...
The first one internally blew a rod threw the core after a few hundred miles
of purchasing it, making the core unusable and as valuable as a boat anchor.
Of course i'm under 50,000 miles, but over the warranty period, so I was
treated like crap by the porsche dealer when trying to get them to pay
for any of it...
Instead of spending $15,000+, I bought a used rebuilt one with 9000 miles
on it from a theft recovery that already had it's engine replaced after blowing
according to the service history on it.. after a few hundred miles, upon a
routine maintenance checkup, dealer discovered the exhaust manifold started to
leak, and upon further inspection, they came to the conclusion that one of the
cylinders had come out of it's sleeve lining internally most likely, which would
result in a blown engine any mile now.. and only 9000 miles on the rebuilt.. sigh...
so now i've had my third engine purchased, installed in 900 miles of owning
my first 996.. (and last 996, or 997, 998, 999 even) and am crossing my fingers...
after having to replace the flywheel, transmission, starter, radiator,
rms, coolant tank, coolant hoses, (which caused a fire when one decided
to leak and mix with the engine, not to mention the first fire, when the
first engine blew..), and countless other components... this will indeed
be my last porsche ever.. i've never had so many problems and been
treated so badly, by any car company ever...
wish me luck.. at 900 miles of driving, I figure it's only costed me $4000
for every 100 miles of driving... should have bought a mclaren or enzo..
would have been alot cheaper <g>
we'll see what happens, wish me luck.. $37,000 later.. sigh
isn't there any lawyer on this board willing to take a class action lawsuit
against porsche? I mean this is ridiculous.. they know they f**ked up
and I would think it'd be an easy case for some lawyer to make a few
million on.. easily.. once discovery comes up on the service histories of all
986/996 owners... afterall, the $37,000 i've spent sofar in the first 900 miles
of owning this car, fixing all the mistakes porsche has made through their faulty
engineering would be nice to have..
- Bob996
a porsche owner for now, NEVER a porsche owner, ever, ever, ever again....
i've lost all respect for this company after owning a 996.
my first 996... picking the car up tomorrow, so hope all goes well...
The first one internally blew a rod threw the core after a few hundred miles
of purchasing it, making the core unusable and as valuable as a boat anchor.
Of course i'm under 50,000 miles, but over the warranty period, so I was
treated like crap by the porsche dealer when trying to get them to pay
for any of it...
Instead of spending $15,000+, I bought a used rebuilt one with 9000 miles
on it from a theft recovery that already had it's engine replaced after blowing
according to the service history on it.. after a few hundred miles, upon a
routine maintenance checkup, dealer discovered the exhaust manifold started to
leak, and upon further inspection, they came to the conclusion that one of the
cylinders had come out of it's sleeve lining internally most likely, which would
result in a blown engine any mile now.. and only 9000 miles on the rebuilt.. sigh...
so now i've had my third engine purchased, installed in 900 miles of owning
my first 996.. (and last 996, or 997, 998, 999 even) and am crossing my fingers...
after having to replace the flywheel, transmission, starter, radiator,
rms, coolant tank, coolant hoses, (which caused a fire when one decided
to leak and mix with the engine, not to mention the first fire, when the
first engine blew..), and countless other components... this will indeed
be my last porsche ever.. i've never had so many problems and been
treated so badly, by any car company ever...
wish me luck.. at 900 miles of driving, I figure it's only costed me $4000
for every 100 miles of driving... should have bought a mclaren or enzo..
would have been alot cheaper <g>
we'll see what happens, wish me luck.. $37,000 later.. sigh
isn't there any lawyer on this board willing to take a class action lawsuit
against porsche? I mean this is ridiculous.. they know they f**ked up
and I would think it'd be an easy case for some lawyer to make a few
million on.. easily.. once discovery comes up on the service histories of all
986/996 owners... afterall, the $37,000 i've spent sofar in the first 900 miles
of owning this car, fixing all the mistakes porsche has made through their faulty
engineering would be nice to have..
- Bob996
a porsche owner for now, NEVER a porsche owner, ever, ever, ever again....
i've lost all respect for this company after owning a 996.
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Sheesh!
Bob996 (or should that be Bob666 since your Porsche is so bedeviled),
I thought I had problems with my 996 but my problems are miniscule to yours, that's a horrible story...if not a tragedy! I agree with you wholeheartedly, this car is a horror story for us out of warranty owners. But what makes it worse is the company that makes them who completely disownes you just because your car's warranty has expired. I always though of a Porsche as being a car that would last a lifetime. That can only be said true of pre 996 models. The 996 is only just beginning to mature and as we are finding out it is a lemon for both PAG and its customers. While they may be gloating in their excessive profit margin right now, I predict it is only a matter of time before they fall flat on their arse or be the subject of a class action suit due to their failing to backup their customer base with this product's problems. Anyone who reads these Intenet forums and who owns a 996 or Boxster is currently Sh*tting their pants. If they are not then they aught to be. I am sure that anyone who owns one and is out of warranty is scared out of their wits every time they turn the ignition key. Is this "The Porsche Experience"?
PAG need to understand that we live in a "service oriented" market nowadays. We demand quality as well as reliability in the products we purchase and especially for expensive items such as a Porsche. If they are going to maintain their position in the marketplace they are going to have to rethink both their manufacturing and attitude problems. They lost you and me both as future Porsche customers and I am sure there will be many many others to follow as the product matures and its problems become more prevelant. If these problems persist in the 997 then it will be the end of the road for Porsche.
I note you mentioned $ rather than £. I take it you are a US owner?
Bob996 (or should that be Bob666 since your Porsche is so bedeviled),
I thought I had problems with my 996 but my problems are miniscule to yours, that's a horrible story...if not a tragedy! I agree with you wholeheartedly, this car is a horror story for us out of warranty owners. But what makes it worse is the company that makes them who completely disownes you just because your car's warranty has expired. I always though of a Porsche as being a car that would last a lifetime. That can only be said true of pre 996 models. The 996 is only just beginning to mature and as we are finding out it is a lemon for both PAG and its customers. While they may be gloating in their excessive profit margin right now, I predict it is only a matter of time before they fall flat on their arse or be the subject of a class action suit due to their failing to backup their customer base with this product's problems. Anyone who reads these Intenet forums and who owns a 996 or Boxster is currently Sh*tting their pants. If they are not then they aught to be. I am sure that anyone who owns one and is out of warranty is scared out of their wits every time they turn the ignition key. Is this "The Porsche Experience"?
PAG need to understand that we live in a "service oriented" market nowadays. We demand quality as well as reliability in the products we purchase and especially for expensive items such as a Porsche. If they are going to maintain their position in the marketplace they are going to have to rethink both their manufacturing and attitude problems. They lost you and me both as future Porsche customers and I am sure there will be many many others to follow as the product matures and its problems become more prevelant. If these problems persist in the 997 then it will be the end of the road for Porsche.
I note you mentioned $ rather than £. I take it you are a US owner?
geeteethree
New member
get over it !! its only an oil leak. Put a tray under the car if its that bad. just drive it !!
JCB..
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I was going to just post Cretin! in response but then I realised that in doing so I would break the Forum rules.
If you took the trouble to read this thread and its predecessor you would realise that it's an issue of Porsche being accountable for its design faults and not the hapless punter rather than a few spots of oil on the garage floor.
JCB..
Having suffered with a very leaky RMS I am all for getting Porsche to face up to their responsibilities.
However, IMHO geeteethree has a valid point. When I was told I needed another RMS replacement I thought not possible!!! Far too soon!! When I had a look myself and checked the amount I was losing if was a no brainer. I was losing more oil wiping the dipstick!
A most miniscule amount was being lost through the RMS. Never had to top up in 12 months!! No way was I going to bother to open my wallet for that! I would not even bother unless a) it was a serious leak or b) Porsche paid for it.
My girlfriend's Vectra uses gallons in its normal operating mode - pours out everywhere - and it prevents rust under the car!
ClubSport 911
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Wrong.
I had an Accord Type R... 2.2litre VTEC with "revved up" / hand built provenenance. Nice engine... I didn't track or abuse it, but it pinked / detonated solidly from day one. Honda did everything to cure the noises and grunts this engine made. New pistons, rings, 2 new clutches, 2 gearbox's a handful of synchro's. all after 12,000 miles or so
HUM did all they could to fix - engineers, more engineers, and in the end, when the air-con compressor gave up the ghost I just said:- "enuff".
The car was taken from my hands, and deemed unworthy of any more attention. I understood it was scrapped shortly after by HUM as being such a poor example of the type, that they didn't want the car (or its problems) leaking on to the 2nd hand market.
Also, at the time, I was very close to the UK Automotive manufacturing industry, and knew the Honda folks well. They had PLENTY of problems with the VTEC engine...but you never saw them (Like BMW did with the Hamms Hall site when the Valvetronic was introduced).
I think it's all about Porsche's attitude to RMS. In Japan, this would be shameful ( I worked for the largest corporation in Japan) - in Germany, the problem ist immer mit dem Kunde ! - Naturlich !
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clubsport 911,
You have a very valid point. Its not the fact that the RMS fails. Machines are machines and have their faults. Its the recent change in Porsches attitude towards its customers thats getting most of our backs up.
Also in the case of the 986/996 the poor examples are still around in general circulation with no one, not even Porsche, knowing which of the examples will fail next. When they do the poor punter need to pick up the tab or wait for months for a resolution.
You have a very valid point. Its not the fact that the RMS fails. Machines are machines and have their faults. Its the recent change in Porsches attitude towards its customers thats getting most of our backs up.
Also in the case of the 986/996 the poor examples are still around in general circulation with no one, not even Porsche, knowing which of the examples will fail next. When they do the poor punter need to pick up the tab or wait for months for a resolution.
What I think would be a key statistic is, of what percentage of 986/996 owners, that have, or have had RMS leaks, have then gone on to have engine failures/gearbox failures. And how is that percentage different to non RMS leaking car's engine/gearbox failure rate. If that percentage difference is statistically insignificant, then are we only really looking at stains on the garage floor, and the outside possibility of clutch contamination as the only significant manifestations of this design problem?
I absolutely agree that PUK has thus far turned its back on the UK buyers with respect to the RMS leaks, and constant replacements that people have to pay for. It's pathetic. And their attitude to engine replacements woefull. But the key worry, for me at least, when looking to buy a 986/996 is that if the car has had a history of RMS leaks, not so much the cost of replacing the RMS, (I probably wouldn't bother repacing it) but the link it may have to an impending engine failure...so I'd walk away. But that fear is only due to ignorance of the true statistics mentioned above....am I really right to be scared of the future of the engines health or not?
The answer to which we'll probably never know.
I absolutely agree that PUK has thus far turned its back on the UK buyers with respect to the RMS leaks, and constant replacements that people have to pay for. It's pathetic. And their attitude to engine replacements woefull. But the key worry, for me at least, when looking to buy a 986/996 is that if the car has had a history of RMS leaks, not so much the cost of replacing the RMS, (I probably wouldn't bother repacing it) but the link it may have to an impending engine failure...so I'd walk away. But that fear is only due to ignorance of the true statistics mentioned above....am I really right to be scared of the future of the engines health or not?
The answer to which we'll probably never know.
When I had the RMS changed on my C4 I had the clutch checked and it was fairly worn due to normal wear and tear.
As it would be parts only and about 10 mins to fit as it was all in bits anyway I elected to change it - no brainer really.
The RMS was leaking fairly badly but no contamination of the clutch as far as could be seen. I suppose it doesn't do it any good either - being in a hot oily environment though(????)
As it would be parts only and about 10 mins to fit as it was all in bits anyway I elected to change it - no brainer really.
The RMS was leaking fairly badly but no contamination of the clutch as far as could be seen. I suppose it doesn't do it any good either - being in a hot oily environment though(????)
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