chrismouzou
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was at chiswick opc saturday for free 111 point check
new turbo on site quite interesting
chris
was at chiswick opc saturday for free 111 point check
new turbo on site quite interesting
chris
new turbo
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chrismouzou
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new style alloy wheels
paddle shift(not for me) iam the old school gears[
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wing mirrors look diffrent
chris
new style alloy wheels
paddle shift(not for me) iam the old school gears[
]wing mirrors look diffrent
chris
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new style alloy  wheels
paddle shift(not for me) iam the old school gears[
wing mirrors look diffrent
chris
The external changes seem hardly noticeable - the real improvements seem to be under the skin, plus lots of new tech.
For this type of car I think the paddleshift PDK will be a 'must have'.
Initial reviews have been full of praise - be interesting to read the more indepth tests on UK roads.
In the real world, can it be better than a 997GT3 ?
Oliver - they are two very different cars with entirely different characters so its a bit like comparing apples and pears. So a comparison is more a reflection on the personal preferences of the reviewer. They are both great cars, and had I won part of the Euro roll over lottery they'd both be on the list to buy along side the Lambo.
In 911 terms the Turbo is a GT, very very fast road car that'll eat continents for breakfast and still get down and party at an alpine pass. GT 3 is all about immersing the driver in the experience so by definition will be more tiring to drive long distance (A roads/motorways) will be fantastic on a track (after all its a homoglation car for motor sport first and foremost) and great on roads - only suffering in bad weather and really bad surfaces where the Turbo would excel (apples and pears again).
From the in depth reviews (total 911) the complaint about the previous car is that it could be more involving for the driver, especially at lower speed as an on road car. This appears to be addressed in the current model with more direct steering feel and a controlled but livelier rear end (all the electronic gizmo's and torque vectoring and engine mounts) adding to the PDK and a bit extra power and toque it would appear to be a big step forward as the ultimate road missile/GT squarely targeted at trying to put the Nissan GTR in its place (more involving for the driver and more fun at low/legal speed) and to get a first punch in on the new Ferrari California and Mclaren.
I'd like to see that as a 3 way UK test[
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Olly
I've had a 997GT3 for several years, which is utterly fantastic.
However, the Turbo is often presented as the 'real world supercar', and it's certainly a bit more practical than the GT3. But, IME, it is far less engaging to drive - bit sterile in fact.
Be very interested to know if the new Turbo has breached the gap.
GTR doesn't interest me one iota [].
I've had a 997GT3 for several years, which is utterly fantastic.
However, the Turbo is often presented as the 'real world supercar', and it's certainly a bit more practical than the GT3. But, IME, it is far less engaging to drive - bit sterile in fact.
Be very interested to know if the new Turbo has breached the gap.
GTR doesn't interest me one iota [
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Olly (appologies for using the formal name)
Good points - I don't think a Turbo will ever engage as much as a Gt3 or why would they produce both cars - its the compromise for a long haul car that it would be too tiring to be as involving as something like a GT3
To me the GT3 is there to stick one up a 430 Scuderia or similar out and out drivers car, along side wiping the floor with most things at a track day (specialist track day cars excepted). the emphasis as you say is on lightness, nimbleness and driver invovlement.
The Turbo is at the other end of the 911 spectrum, still a sports car but with more GT properties and there to compete with other tech fest sports cars or supercars. On that scale I think they are trying to make it more involving.
Thus the can have us wanting both cars or at least the ebst of each combined into one[]
Good points - I don't think a Turbo will ever engage as much as a Gt3 or why would they produce both cars - its the compromise for a long haul car that it would be too tiring to be as involving as something like a GT3
To me the GT3 is there to stick one up a 430 Scuderia or similar out and out drivers car, along side wiping the floor with most things at a track day (specialist track day cars excepted). the emphasis as you say is on lightness, nimbleness and driver invovlement.
The Turbo is at the other end of the 911 spectrum, still a sports car but with more GT properties and there to compete with other tech fest sports cars or supercars. On that scale I think they are trying to make it more involving.
Thus the can have us wanting both cars or at least the ebst of each combined into one[
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I think it's great that the same basic car design can yield two such disparate cars as the 997 turbo and GT3, each at the top of their respective trees. They clearly appeal to different customers; for every GT3 aspirant who finds the turbo soft and uncommunicative, there's a turbo die-hard who finds the GT3 too raw.
I nearly bought a 997.1 turbo and got cold feet. If the facelifted car offers more driving involvement, that's welcome news. Mine is being built on 7th December, can't wait.
I nearly bought a 997.1 turbo and got cold feet. If the facelifted car offers more driving involvement, that's welcome news. Mine is being built on 7th December, can't wait.
I had an F430 Scuderia for a week to asses (the light blue press car) and, whilst I can see some appeal, it's a bit fussy and fiddly compared to the GT3.
As it says in today's Autocar (comparing the F458 with the GT3) the GT3 is far more analogue - and this is most noticeable through the Porsche's superior steering.
As it says in today's Autocar (comparing the F458 with the GT3) the GT3 is far more analogue - and this is most noticeable through the Porsche's superior steering.
My November build GT 3 (sic) has now been confirmed as completing on 10th December and my OPC seems confident I will have it before Xmas but I will believe it when I see it. I expect I will be banned from the forum shortly afterwards due to the large number of pictures I intend to post.
When I first got my Gen 1 Turbo I had second thoughts and wondered if I should have ordered a GT 3. Now I have ordered a Gen 2 GT 3 and I am wondering if I should have gone for a PDK Gen 2 Turbo. Doh!!
Nice problem though
When I first got my Gen 1 Turbo I had second thoughts and wondered if I should have ordered a GT 3. Now I have ordered a Gen 2 GT 3 and I am wondering if I should have gone for a PDK Gen 2 Turbo. Doh!!
Nice problem though
Oh no the Postman just delivered an invite to drive the new Turbo at Silverstone in December. You are invited to bring a friend shame I dont have any friends left after my F1 post and photograph overload!! Clive do you fancy it?
Has anyone else had this invite? Still not sure if its agony or ecstacy as I am now a GT 3 man!!
Has anyone else had this invite? Still not sure if its agony or ecstacy as I am now a GT 3 man!!
You won't regret the 997GT3 for a second, it's one of the best cars Porsche has ever produced, whether you want to nip down to the shops, take in a track day, or criss-cross europe. It's very clever and always engaging.
I've also no doubt that the new Turbo will be a gem with amazing credentials and a genuine 'flagship' model. It'll be a car for deep admiration. But the 997GT3 is a car to fall in love with - it has so much soul.
I've also no doubt that the new Turbo will be a gem with amazing credentials and a genuine 'flagship' model. It'll be a car for deep admiration. But the 997GT3 is a car to fall in love with - it has so much soul.
Chris Franklin at Center Gravity drives a LOT of different Porsches given his test drives after he works his suspension setup magic. When I was up there last I wanted to get more stability over bumpy b-roads.
Anyway, I arrived and he took my car out (before making any changes) on a test drive. He came back saying it was already pretty much perfect, and achieved 15mph more on a straight bumpy b-road than he would do in a GT3 (and he was holding my car's steering wheel with 2 fingers, compared to being thrown about on the road like crazy in a GT3). Anyway, we raised the car up another 2mm, dialed out a little front neg camber, increased the front castor, and I took the car out again. This time I was now achieving 30mph more than a GT3 would do on the same road!
So yes, in the real world, a Turbo is indeed much better
Only on a twisty flat track would the GT3 be better.
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