new turbo
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Wish I could disagree but many owners I don't doubt are buying the brand/core statistics rather than the detail discussed in this thread and others - from a selling perspective questions create work and might expose weaknesses in the product. When I took delivery in 07 I over-heard the previous customer expressing surprise when informed that the 997TT he had just purchased was 4-wheel drive, being a good example. I enquired about PDK availability on the TT in early 08 and salesman commented that most customers were more interested in whether iPod connectivity would be available in the face-lifted version than gearbox developments.
I myself have been genuinely interested in the new model but so far have found the process of enquiry rather off-putting and for that reason alone makes me think of considering other marques, as and when, perhaps more than I otherwise would have done: I popped into a local dealership to chase a brochure recently and was informed that brochures were currently only being supplied to those who had put down a deposit; I enquired as to whether there have been any improvements to the electronic diagnostic capabilities on the vehicle (I have tripped over quite a few problems on 997.I which I would like to think the electrical engineers have improved) - answer: electronic changes are adaptive headlights and PDK (as if I didn't know that) - the straightforward answer to my question therefore being no. Too much marketing and not enough engineering detail for my liking...
Try Exeter OPC (Kevin Turner is dealer principal) They have the hard back Gen.2 TT brochure. I know, because I gave it to them having brought it back from Frankfurt!
For technical matters, try their workshop manager, Wayne. He's one of the good guys.
Good luck,
Clive
Hmmm.. Excuse the maths. 1g is a rate of change of velocity of approx 35kph/second, i.e if you accelerate to 70kph in 1 second you would experience a acceleration of 2g. If we look at the 0-200 times from the tables we see that the gen 2 Turbo does 0-200 in 10.8 secs and the Cargraphic 997 in 9.1. If a car could accelerate 0-200 in 1 second (!) that would be a g of 200/35 or about 5.7g . As it takes 10.8 and 9.1 respectively you need to divide the 5.7 by 10.8 and 9.1. This gives an average acceleration of 0.52g and 0.63g for each of the cars. So it really comes down to the definition of huge, I guess. In the real world I suspect both cars would feel fast enough for most people with the Cargraphic 997 feeling faster - by 0.1g[
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Hmmm.. Excuse the maths. 1g is a rate of change of velocity of approx 35kph/second, i.e if you accelerate to 70kph in 1 second you would experience a acceleration of 2g. If we look at the 0-200 times from the tables we see that the gen 2 Turbo does 0-200 in 10.8 secs and the Cargraphic 997 in 9.1. If a car could accelerate 0-200 in 1 second (!) that would be a g of 200/35 or about 5.7g . As it takes 10.8 and 9.1 respectively you need to divide the 5.7 by 10.8 and 9.1. This gives an average acceleration of 0.52g and 0.63g for each of the cars. So it really comes down to the definition of huge, I guess. In the real world I suspect both cars would feel fast enough for most people with the Cargraphic 997 feeling faster - by 0.1g[
Cool analysis Alan! [
]I can only tell you my experience from when I went from a 480PS/620Nm stock Turbo to a 544PS/798Nm Turbo (figures with Sport Mode 'overboost' off)
...and the difference in G-force was profound. The old car was fast, after the powerkit it was comically fast ie. it's very hard not to start laughing it's so quick when you stick your foot down in 2nd gear. When the weather is colder, and air gets further compressed then things get even funnier! [
] The new car has 500PS/650Nm (again without overboost) so not a big leap over the old one. In a manual car I guess it would be hard to notice the extra 4% power. Where the new car will be fantastic though is with PDK between 0-30mph. In my manual, I rarely use any turbo boost in 1st gear otherwise I just hit the limiter almost immediately. Sure you can do fast 0-30 times in a manual if you like the smell of clutch and you can change gear in a split second after leaving stand-still (otherwise you hit the limiter). But 1st gear in my car is just about getting me rolling, my right foot never ever goes fully down. This I am sure PDK would unlock all kind of fun here.
Cool graphs, Alex!
We certainly sense horizontal g's in a different way to vertical g's. A 2g vertical acceleration is quite noticeable say in an aircraft but 0-70kph in 1 sec (or 0-140kph in 2secs) would be very noticeable!! Smaller increments in horizontal g would therefore seem to be more pronounced. Nice feeling though![]
We certainly sense horizontal g's in a different way to vertical g's. A 2g vertical acceleration is quite noticeable say in an aircraft but 0-70kph in 1 sec (or 0-140kph in 2secs) would be very noticeable!! Smaller increments in horizontal g would therefore seem to be more pronounced. Nice feeling though![
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grover
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I'm booked in for the 3rd December at Silverstone for my test drive at 830am, watch out for my black 997 turbo that morning if you are around, looking forward to that. Am at Hatfield to test drive the white demo car this Saturday and then have the a white GT3 for the week from Ecurie25, so will have a really good test of new options. Am at that stage when I am thinking again about options again. Was testing a RR sport on saturday thinking maybe that for maybe 12 plus months and then order a 998 model for 2011, or whenever that may turn up. Or do I just place an order for late 2010 by p/x my turbo now and buy an interim car. Maybe in a weeks time I may have a better idea
garyw
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My car was in for its warranty renewal today and all went well... []
But sat in the showroom was a lovely white Gen2 Turbo...[8D]
The paddles felt great and the aerokit looked great on it...
The new standard wheels looked a bit....[&:] weak in comparison to the car, I know that the gen1 Turbo wheels have not been to everyones taste but I do prefer the gen1 versions, and to think that the gen2 wheels could be exclusive to the Turbo? nope- they already do them for the panemera []
Hardly anyone in the dealership, yet still the salesteam were too busy for a test drive []
garyw
]But sat in the showroom was a lovely white Gen2 Turbo...[8D]
The paddles felt great and the aerokit looked great on it...
The new standard wheels looked a bit....[&:] weak in comparison to the car, I know that the gen1 Turbo wheels have not been to everyones taste but I do prefer the gen1 versions, and to think that the gen2 wheels could be exclusive to the Turbo? nope- they already do them for the panemera [
]Hardly anyone in the dealership, yet still the salesteam were too busy for a test drive [
]garyw
The top dealerships are getting like banks and estate agents - most people never need to actually go in any more.
Busy people prefer doing business on the internet and telephone.
The big shop window is the Experience Centre at Silverstone, which seems to be a sensible and popular investment.
Busy people prefer doing business on the internet and telephone.
The big shop window is the Experience Centre at Silverstone, which seems to be a sensible and popular investment.
Even the 997 Turbo 1 wheels weren't that popular - considered a bit too 'chintzy', and very difficult to re-furbished if damaged.
Surely most people will go for the lovely centre-lock Spyder wheels? - Lighter, better looking and appear better protected from damage. And with pccbs they'll be easy to keep nice and clean.
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