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But you should get an invite to Silverstone as a buyer as a matter of course, I thought. I'd have a word Mark!ORIGINAL: blueSL
ORIGINAL: tscaptain
I'm just jealous because I don't have an invite.........[]
Me neither, seems clear that having ordered a car, they don't think it's worth spending money on me...
ORIGINAL: tscaptain
But you should get an invite to Silverstone as a buyer as a matter of course, I thought. I'd have a word Mark!ORIGINAL: blueSL
ORIGINAL: tscaptain
I'm just jealous because I don't have an invite.........[
Me neither, seems clear that having ordered a car, they don't think it's worth spending money on me...
I got a whole experience day when I purchased my 997 Turbo. They are aimed at helping you finalize on your choice of options. Perhaps this first wave of invites is just for people who don't have a deposit down at all.
ORIGINAL: okellyt
ALex will be hearing confession on the day from any who attend that are daring to think of buying a turbo without the GT1 inspired block[
All hallow the blessed GT1 race-grade engine!
Yeh, there have been PLENTY of arguments already over the new engine. Most of which are summed up in this Rennlist thread:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/997-turbo-forum/531926-the-bad-news-piles-up-about-the-new-turbo.html
I personally think that if you have no plans to modify (put on a sports exhaust, stage X kit, etc) then the new car will indeed be better in terms of 20PS/20Nm + VTS + PDK + Dynamic engine mounts, compared to the old stock car. Whether those improvements are worth the trade-in cost is of course another matter.
In terms of a comparison to my car...
I KNOW that the facelift Turbo will not sound as good as my car, and I KNOW it won't generate as many G in a straight line either (as I still have 80PS/100Nm more throughout the rev range).
What I AM very curious about though is whether £7k worth of (fully adjustable) suspension upgrades and CG geometry fine-tuning on the old Turbo gives a more sporty/solid driving experience compared to the new suspension technology in the facelift model. I am completely open minded on this as I think it could go either way. I just wish though the Siliverstone OPC track was bigger so I could compare more easily.
The other thing I am a little curious about is turbo lag. Has this improved in the facelift model with PDK? The lag on my car was cut in half when I fitted a free flowing sports exhaust (with 50% less back pressure). However, Porsche are restricted on their factory emissions so don't have that freedom, so it will be interesting to compare.
ORIGINAL: garyw
Apparently the day does include a bit of the Farm straight for a bit of high speed action [
garyw
Cool!!!
In the immortal words of Clarkson: I feel a drag race coming on!
(and I won't tell them mines a stage II so they get all confused when the new car is slower [
])Ah wait, Farm Straight looks pretty short ie. I bet they just demo launch control
Damn, I need a rolling start to win such a race without burning out my clutch. Hmmm...
Problem is what are the arguments based on? Certainly not experience. Sure the DFI engine and PDK are still pretty much in their infancy compared to (much) older proven technology but am I alone in thinking that Porsche are hardly likely to put some old junk tech in their cars just because it's cheaper to produce? Haven't heard of any engines or gearboxes letting go so far and mine hasn't missed a beat in 16 months. There may be issues with upgrading (ie more power) the Gen 2 cars but again this seems more like speculation than fact. Has anyone tried to get 550bhp plus out of a DFI yet and put it through a PDK box and failed? Again it will be another of those "proof of the pudding" arguments.
Still wish I had an invite.............[
]PS I thought Gen 2 had 500 PS not 464? [
]
Great dont forget to take your cheque book as they can spec a car at Silverstone now!!
Tom has reluctantly agreed to join us as a "friend" so should be quite a forum gathering.
Hopefully I will be driving my GT 3 (a track focussed car) on the road to a track where I will be driving a Turbo (a road focussed car) on a track so should make for some useful comparisons
Tom has reluctantly agreed to join us as a "friend" so should be quite a forum gathering.
Hopefully I will be driving my GT 3 (a track focussed car) on the road to a track where I will be driving a Turbo (a road focussed car) on a track so should make for some useful comparisons
By all accounts, that would be Porsche themselves. Gone are the days of 200+ bhp headroom from the GT1 engine, Porsche simply don't need to provide customers with over-engineered engines any more. Most Turbo owners don't know or care about having a race grade engine. So they might as well try to recoup some of those billions in debt they are in by downgrading to consumer grade engines.
It does indeed, but I said "throughout the rev range", not the peak difference. The difference narrows right at the top of the revs down to 44PS. 100Nm extra torque too is a huge 'seat of your pants' g-force difference. The differences can be seen in the test results already seen by various magazines. My Stage II CG car is reported to do 0-300kph in about 30s, the new facelift Turbo about 40s. That's a massive difference, so there is zero doubt the 997.2 Turbo will be much slower than a Stage II 997.1 car other than 0-60mph (PDK+launch control).PS I thought Gen 2 had 500 PS not 464? [
Some recent test results with the facelift Turbo:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/109092822071/cargraphic-997-turbo-fastest-sprinter-from-0-100-and-0-200kph
The CG Turbo here is a Stage IV though (624PS) which I will probably put on mine in a few years (and then thrash 991.2 Turbo owners too [
]). My stage II results from SportsAuto a while back were: 3.3 > 10.4 > (30.0ish).
Monty2
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Couldn't get in on the 26th so have 14.30 0n 28th Jan, nice to be targeted by a dealership I only used to fit my sports exhaust on my C2S a while back. I am also lucky enough to have a GT3 session at silverstone at the beginning of Dec to aid my decision making for post current turbo.
Cheers
Paul
Cheers
Paul
marlin
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ORIGINAL: oliver
Olly
I've had a 997GT3 for several years, which is utterly fantastic.
However, the Turbo is often presented as the 'real world supercar', and it's certainly a bit more practical than the GT3. But, IME, it is far less engaging to drive - bit sterile in fact.
Be very interested to know if the new Turbo has breached the gap.
GTR doesn't interest me one iota [
I normally refrain from getting involved with the Turbo GT3 debate, but hell calling the Turbo sterile leaves me speechless and as per forum rules I will leave it at that [
].
garyw
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I hear what your saying.... but I quite enjoy the moral high ground at the moment [ORIGINAL: marlin
I normally refrain from getting involved with the Turbo GT3 debate, but hell calling the Turbo sterile leaves me speechless and as per forum rules I will leave it at that [
]garyw
Hi Bob/Gary/Clive/Alex,
By coincidence I booked yesterday for 2.30 on 26 Jan bringing my son in law as guest. So it should be quite a party, perhaps we could all meet up early and spectate.
I'll be keen to see your new car Bob ,and to learn how you are getting on with it, since I have picked up a cancelled GT3 build slot for later next year.
By the by,Jon (boatfiller) and I had a great day out a fortnight ago at the track day at Castle Combe. Although we travelled down in torrential rain, we had a cracking day on the circuit. Mind you the first sessions were a tiptoe job whilst the track dried out. I had met two spinners by the third corner of the first lap, and I visited the " oh s**t lane " twice before getting the correct approach into the first sequence of corners. They ran 15 minute sessions for 8 cars of mixed driver experience all day, which seemed to work O K . Anyway, enough of that , looking forward ot 26 Jan, hope to see you all before then.
Regards, Spook.
996 Carrera C4S -- gone
997 TT -- currently enjoying
997 GT3 gen 2 -- awaiting
By coincidence I booked yesterday for 2.30 on 26 Jan bringing my son in law as guest. So it should be quite a party, perhaps we could all meet up early and spectate.
I'll be keen to see your new car Bob ,and to learn how you are getting on with it, since I have picked up a cancelled GT3 build slot for later next year.
By the by,Jon (boatfiller) and I had a great day out a fortnight ago at the track day at Castle Combe. Although we travelled down in torrential rain, we had a cracking day on the circuit. Mind you the first sessions were a tiptoe job whilst the track dried out. I had met two spinners by the third corner of the first lap, and I visited the " oh s**t lane " twice before getting the correct approach into the first sequence of corners. They ran 15 minute sessions for 8 cars of mixed driver experience all day, which seemed to work O K . Anyway, enough of that , looking forward ot 26 Jan, hope to see you all before then.
Regards, Spook.
996 Carrera C4S -- gone
997 TT -- currently enjoying
997 GT3 gen 2 -- awaiting
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