Retro Fit X51 Power Kit

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: YvesD

ORIGINAL: Grant

ORIGINAL: okellyt

ORIGINAL: YvesD
Grant,
All valid points but with one crucial and fatal flaw.
You cant have the multifunction steering wheel in the GT3.
Game over.
Yves

Also can't get the bose stereo which is significantly better than the sound package for long journeys
oh and I paid a lot les than £10k for the powerkit
oh and if your Walter Rhol its faster round the ring than the last generation 996 GT3 snd its comfortable over long distnaces to say nice roads in scotland or farnce/italy then its playtime. So not as quick as todays 997 GT3 but more usable
You pays your money...........................................................

Game started you mean.......
1/ you don't need a Bose stereo when the engine sounds as good as a 997GT3 at full bore.. AWESOME

2/ The steering wheel is an integral component of the beast, not a button-fest! You are bonding, breathing with, part of the machine your hands instinctively "feel" the road surface, yet the ride is comfortable! You are too busy enjoying the adrenalin fueled interaction to worry about the odd stray plastic button!

3/ So compared to X-51 the Gt3 is faster, holds its value better, is more involving, handles better, sounds better, is only slightly less comfortable & now comes with Nav, upgraded stereo, traction & even heated seats, the only downsides are a lack of rear seats & that low front splitter!

Of course if you aren't championing the X-51 upgrade over a 997GT3 at similar money, then the standard 997S is plenty good enough & saves a useful chunk of cash into the bargain! I'd be happy with either, but X-51 is neither fish nor fowl! Although I love those of you that have chosen it for your sheer decadence[]!

Much fear I sense in you, clouded your judgement has become......

No amount of race track hype can make up for the missing multifunction steering wheel !

Yves

It is the dark side that calls you

Or the long journeys for work and the extra 12k for a GT3 that ruled it off my list.

As I could nto afford to have the porker as a 3rd car I need something I could commute a lot of motorway traffic in and still ahve playt ime.[]

Controversial thought the C2S is like a mini GT3, the x51 a mini Turbo. The x pack does change the character quite significantly I think and allows a lazier torque driven view of the world punching hard from 3k revs - in fact acceleration almost feels linear in 2nd or 3rd geat from 3 - 7k revs, hence the mini turbo comparison

Can't really compare with current GT3 not driven ot but my brother has last generation GT3, clealry on a circuit it would ultimately be faster but on normal roads mine feels like it has the legs on the GT3 (its the torque that kids you into believing this 30lbft more ie 10%)

Each has their own style, choose the one you love

Don't give into hate and fear, the dark side lies that way.........

Who's for a chipped x51then........

 

[YvesD]

Who's for a chipped x51then........

okt,

DMS, Parr and Revo all do a re map in case you are interested ?

Yves

 

[Alex L]

For me, the only Porsche 'upgrade' option for a Carrera S (X51 or otherwise) would be a 997 Turbo. Not for the reasons afore mentioned but because a GT3 doesn't have back seats, no PSM, has a huge ugly back wing, and comes with semi-slick tires.

These are all fine if you are just buying a track day car, but for those of us buying a 911 primarily for public road use, a GT3 is not a practical option given that in this country the majority of days in a year the roads are wet, bumpy and have lots of traffic on them.

 

[YvesD]

Alex,

Trust you to bring sanity back to proceedings !

So, is the turbo on order yet ?

Yves

 

[garyw]

Alex has a point.

The X51 kit is a pricey option for not that much more power (in numbers wise) however after reading this thread its sort of obvious that there's alot more to it than what the numbers show.

Part of the appeal of the X51 kit is that it does maintain factory the warranty, I personally really can't see the point of spending that amount of money to keep the warranty and power gains, just to throw it out of the window by then having it chipped !!
Surely the easiest and bar far cheapest way is to go straight for the chip upgrade and wave goodbye to the warranty anyway ??

Its well written the power gains the TT can get from the chip upgrade, but again to lose the factory warranty its really not on the shopping list.

garyw

 

[YvesD]

gary,

Valid points, but of course in all of this we are assuming that a re-map will cause an engine failure which the current state of the art and evidence says it wont do any more than a standard engine is likely to lunch itself for reasons only known to itself.

In the unlikely event that a mapped engine goes bang as a direct result of the mod, then your tuning company stands in where the Porsche warranty doesnt. They have to do this or they would never sell any product.

I'll meet you down at DMS next week and we can both do some propper research for the 997 massive !

Regards

Yves

 

[Grant]

ORIGINAL: YvesD
Much fear I sense in you, clouded your judgement has become......
No amount of race track hype can make up for the missing multifunction steering wheel !
Yves

The 997GT3 is one of the very best slices of Pork produced EVER & the force is strong with it.
Yes it is the chosen one, he who will challenge the dark lord of misinformation, to stand firm against those that don't understand, those who have not tried the new way!

Once the multifunction steering wheel & rear parking sensors were king because the alternative was too extreme, the awesome sound, performance & handling came at price, loss of daily praticality & a bone shaking ride! But as the 997 moved the game on from the 996, so the new 997GT3 became closer to the win-win scenerio we all dream of! An awesome drivers car & daily driver in one!

Yes thanks to PASM the new GT3 rides as well as a 996TT, yet you still feel part of a living breathing awesome driving machine, alive, organic, awesome, in fact distilled essence of racing Pork with added road manners!
It sounds even better than a slice of 997 with PSE & according to autocar is just as quick as the 997TT once the aerodynamics are taken into account at higher speed, in fact it was the fastest car around their track, the highest speed yet on the straight & was still comfortable on the commute back " One of the best cars ever produced by Porsche" & all for similar money to the 997s with X-51!

The tyres are fine in the wet & if you don't like their sticky nature there are plenty of alternatives that are N rated.
Kid yourself that it is too rough for you, lacks Bose of is missing rear seats, but you are missing Porsches ace card, win win, a true interactive racing machine filled with Porsches engineering magic, but also a car you can happily enjoy driving every day commuting to work, I do!

997S with X-51 was once top of the pile aside from the TT, but evolution of the species has moved the game on & now we have a new "one" who is strong with the force.
The 997S is a stunning fabulous car & I would be more than happy owning such a great car, but adding the X-51 doesn't turn it into anything other than a faster 997S, the new GT3 on the other hand is a whole new awesome driving experience, a car you can use for the daily commute that is also one of Porsches finest ever road racers & that for me is truly win win, the Jedi's Jedi!!!!


P.S. Yves do you have instructions on how I can retro fit the multi-function steering wheel to a GT3[]!!!!

 

[YvesD]

I should certianly like to try one.

One area that does appeal is the extra rev range at the top end, this would be most useful for 2nd & 3rd gear sprints.

Yves

 

[Alex L]

ORIGINAL: YvesD

Alex,

Trust you to bring sanity back to proceedings !

So, is the turbo on order yet ?

Yves

I hate to say it, but I am slowly turning to the dark side in leaning towards an F430 or a Gallardo over a Turbo. The Turbo ticks all the logical boxes, but the styling, the drive and the sound are just holding me back.

A £100k plus supercar should be overwhelming to drive and look at. The new Turbo is in no doubt very fast when you put your foot down, but it is just somehow missing that X-factor that Porsche's Italian counterparts seem to have in spades. I would desperately love my next car to be another Porsche but unless they start making a mini 500bhp Carrera GT with PSM I can't really see anything in the pipeline that is going to make me do that.

Obviously, the monetary outlay for an F430/Gallardo is considerably higher than a Turbo. My plan though is to wait 18 months for the F430 replacement to come out, whereby the used prices will come way down to comparable levels. That way I also get to enjoy my C2S Cab for a while longer. Who knows, if I am feeling extra flush then I may beat the depreciation hit all together and just keep the Porsche for good and give it to the misses.

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: Alex L

ORIGINAL: YvesD

Alex,

Trust you to bring sanity back to proceedings !

So, is the turbo on order yet ?

Yves

I hate to say it, but I am slowly turning to the dark side in leaning towards an F430 or a Gallardo over a Turbo. The Turbo ticks all the logical boxes, but the styling, the drive and the sound are just holding me back.

A £100k plus supercar should be overwhelming to drive and look at. The new Turbo is in no doubt very fast when you put your foot down, but it is just somehow missing that X-factor that Porsche's Italian counterparts seem to have in spades. I would desperately love my next car to be another Porsche but unless they start making a mini 500bhp Carrera GT with PSM I can't really see anything in the pipeline that is going to make me do that.

Obviously, the monetary outlay for an F430/Gallardo is considerably higher than a Turbo. My plan though is to wait 18 months for the F430 replacement to come out, whereby the used prices will come way down to comparable levels. That way I also get to enjoy my C2S Cab for a while longer. Who knows, if I am feeling extra flush then I may beat the depreciation hit all together and just keep the Porsche for good and give it to the misses.

Don't forget though thast the Ferarri and to a lesser extent Lambo cost a fortune to keep on the road. This is where Porche wins. I looked at the Turbo as an option speeced up it was £106k, so naturally I looked at the lambo (Have you tried to drive a fessa quickly down a UK B road, terror is not to word when you realise there is £120k of machinary thats a lane and a half wide,your praying nothing big is coming the other way or indeed that the other driver a) sticks well to his/her side of the road and b) doesn't panic)

Your talking annual services of £2-£4k, new clutch every 8-10k at £4k a pop...and they do break more often,as for depreciation

I don know what your saying the Lambo is beautiful and the Fessa very purposeful but don't kid yourself these cars are far more expensive to own that a similarly priced 997TT. So you'll need much deeper pockets.

Haivng investigate this I came tot he view that I couldn't afford the Lambo, then unfortunately the financial controller (Wife) vetoed the Turbo

 

[dereksharpuk]

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I hate to say it, but I am slowly turning to the dark side in leaning towards an F430 or a Gallardo over a Turbo. The Turbo ticks all the logical boxes, but the styling, the drive and the sound are just holding me back.

[/quote]

Hi Alex, Both Rob and I have had Ferrari 360s. You have only to read my Porsche Post comparison of 360 v 997 to discover what I think. Rob feels the same.

Though I totally agree your comments, you should remove your rose coloured specs and think of the disadvantages rather than the glossy bits. Unless you are a Premier Division footballer rolling in money (in which case go ahead), the 997 Turbo is a far better car.

So what are the disadvantages of F360, F430 or Gallardo? Firstly, forget the Gallardo; a few reads of EVO will tell you why.. As for Ferrari.. yes it looks stunning, goes well (no better than 911) and sounds absolutely wonderful. Actually I much prefer the F360 as it is cheaper, looks better and sounds a lot better than F430.

However, here are the bad bits... Cost, no not the intial outlay but the running costs... service costs are really frequent and very high, moreover petrol consumption is diabolical... not so much a problem if you are wealthy, but do you really want to keep filling up? Secondly, those stunning looks will attract far too much attention. Initially that is very flattering; later you will not be so pleased when you find grubby finger marks all over it, or worse still, scratches from little boy's belt buckles. Reliability??? Build quality ??? ... rubbish compared with Porsche. Additionally, it is a very wide car, so putting it away in your garage demands great care. Finally, there are may roads that my 360 grounded on, damaging the underside or front spoiler. I'm not talking of sleeping policement, just normal British back roads.

Ferrari.. yes great car... but like an Italian Mistress, I did not want to marry it and we were divorced within 3 months. Give me a 997 X51 any day. Better still a Cayman S []

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: Grant

The 997GT3 is one of the very best slices of Pork produced EVER & the force is strong with it.
Yes it is the chosen one, he who will challenge the dark lord of misinformation, to stand firm against those that don't understand, those who have not tried the new way!

Yes thanks to PASM the new GT3 rides as well as a 996TT, yet you still feel part of a living breathing awesome driving machine, alive, organic, awesome, in fact distilled essence of racing Pork with added road manners!
It sounds even better than a slice of 997 with PSE & according to autocar is just as quick as the 997TT once the aerodynamics are taken into account at higher speed, in fact it was the fastest car around their track, the highest speed yet on the straight & was still comfortable on the commute back " One of the best cars ever produced by Porsche" & all for similar money to the 997s with X-51!

The tyres are fine in the wet & if you don't like their sticky nature there are plenty of alternatives that are N rated.
Kid yourself that it is too rough for you, lacks Bose of is missing rear seats, but you are missing Porsches ace card, win win, a true interactive racing machine filled with Porsches engineering magic, but also a car you can happily enjoy driving every day commuting to work, I do!

The 997S is a stunning fabulous car & I would be more than happy owning such a great car, but adding the X-51 doesn't turn it into anything other than a faster 997S, the new GT3 on the other hand is a whole new awesome driving experience, a car you can use for the daily commute that is also one of Porsches finest ever road racers & that for me is truly win win, the Jedi's Jedi!!!!

Grant

I am pleased that the GT3 is living up to expectations. I know my brothers 996GT3 is a pretty awesome peice of kit. Make sure you enjoy every minute of it you lucky man.

Given your description I shall have to see if I can blag a drive off the OPC to see how its changed.

Unfortunately I am cursed as I only do 1 -2 track days a year where the GT3 is in its element (again you quoted track figures from Autocar)

I also need the rear seats and the greater degree of comfort for long range travelling the cooking 997 has over the GT3 (it does theres non getting awy from it) - Regular 150 -400 mile round trips on the back of 12 -14 hour working days. (I know should have bought a BMW and kept away from full on sports cars). So cursed again

There is a little misconcpetion though the pricing once you price up a well specced C2Sx51, GT3 and Turbo with similar or equivalent options I came out with the following

• x51 ~ £81k
• GT3 ~ £93k
• TT ~ £106k

You can play around to inimise the gaps but once you spec well and go for similar capabilities the Porsche Marketing men have been there first and know you'll come with a fair spread of pricing that leads you ultimately to the TT.

The GT3 will win hands down on a short blast of favourite roads as if they were a track but point to point on unkown British roads with UK weather the TT will be the faster

So briefly I too looked at the dark side of GT3 ownership, the killer for me was not only the (minor) practicality issues but the Financial controllers (wifes) killing observation

"You can have the 997C2S, you can have the engine upgrade or I'll let you look at the turbo but the GT3 that screams mid life crisis"[]

Then she found out how much the Turbo cost, So I have the 997C2s X51

While not a patch on the GT3 for raw excitment , and maybe its the options I chose, it still feels very different tot he stock C2S' I have driven. Sticking to my original comment more like a mini turbo

 

[Alex L]

ORIGINAL: dereksharpuk

I hate to say it, but I am slowly turning to the dark side in leaning towards an F430 or a Gallardo over a Turbo. The Turbo ticks all the logical boxes, but the styling, the drive and the sound are just holding me back.

Hi Alex, Both Rob and I have had Ferrari 360s. You have only to read my Porsche Post comparison of 360 v 997 to discover what I think. Rob feels the same.

Though I totally agree your comments, you should remove your rose coloured specs and think of the disadvantages rather than the glossy bits. Unless you are a Premier Division footballer rolling in money (in which case go ahead), the 997 Turbo is a far better car.

So what are the disadvantages of F360, F430 or Gallardo? Firstly, forget the Gallardo; a few reads of EVO will tell you why.. As for Ferrari.. yes it looks stunning, goes well (no better than 911) and sounds absolutely wonderful. Actually I much prefer the F360 as it is cheaper, looks better and sounds a lot better than F430.

However, here are the bad bits... Cost, no not the intial outlay but the running costs... service costs are really frequent and very high, moreover petrol consumption is diabolical... not so much a problem if you are wealthy, but do you really want to keep filling up? Secondly, those stunning looks will attract far too much attention. Initially that is very flattering; later you will not be so pleased when you find grubby finger marks all over it, or worse still, scratches from little boy's belt buckles. Reliability??? Build quality ??? ... rubbish compared with Porsche. Additionally, it is a very wide car, so putting it away in your garage demands great care. Finally, there are may roads that my 360 grounded on, damaging the underside or front spoiler. I'm not talking of sleeping policement, just normal British back roads.

Ferrari.. yes great car... but like an Italian Mistress, I did not want to marry it and we were divorced within 3 months. Give me a 997 X51 any day. Better still a Cayman S []

Very much appreciate your feedback. I am sure sanity will kick in before I make the leap. Porsches are without doubt the logical supercar choice. In fact, the first official pics of the new Turbo Cab look pretty good, so that's got me thinking again now!

Although, I'd really want the LSD option if going for a Turbo, which I assume won't be possible given it isn't for the Carrera Cab.

Also, there is the danger of the Turbo/GT2/GT3/Targa becoming very quickly dated once the facelift Carrera comes out with things like PDK, Direct Injection, LED rear lights and adaptive front lights. So that would need to be considered also.

 

[YvesD]

Brothers, time for a reality check.

Why can't we treat our cars just like our beloved wives ?

Sure, there is always a newer and more attractive model just around the corner but therein lies the road to ruin and elusive satisfaction.

No, we should cherish what we have, care for it and accept the 'moment in time' when we say, enough is enough.

Thinking of 997 in particular, the shape is a timeless classic, destined to take up the 'last propper' shape 993 mantle and take it into the next millenia with decent technology and build to boot.

Taking my own advice ( fiddling with the basic product excepted ! ).

Yves

 

[Grant]

ORIGINAL: okellyt
Grant
I am pleased that the GT3 is living up to expectations. I know my brothers 996GT3 is a pretty awesome peice of kit. Make sure you enjoy every minute of it you lucky man.

Given your description I shall have to see if I can blag a drive off the OPC to see how its changed.

Unfortunately I am cursed as I only do 1 -2 track days a year where the GT3 is in its element (again you quoted track figures from Autocar)
I also need the rear seats and the greater degree of comfort for long range travelling the cooking 997 has over the GT3 (it does theres non getting awy from it) - Regular 150 -400 mile round trips on the back of 12 -14 hour working days. (I know should have bought a BMW and kept away from full on sports cars). So cursed again
There is a little misconcpetion though the pricing once you price up a well specced C2Sx51, GT3 and Turbo with similar or equivalent options I came out with the following

• x51 ~ £81k
• GT3 ~ £93k
• TT ~ £106k

You can play around to inimise the gaps but once you spec well and go for similar capabilities the Porsche Marketing men have been there first and know you'll come with a fair spread of pricing that leads you ultimately to the TT.
The GT3 will win hands down on a short blast of favourite roads as if they were a track but point to point on unkown British roads with UK weather the TT will be the faster
So briefly I too looked at the dark side of GT3 ownership, the killer for me was not only the (minor) practicality issues but the Financial controllers (wifes) killing observation
"You can have the 997C2S, you can have the engine upgrade or I'll let you look at the turbo but the GT3 that screams mid life crisis"[]
Then she found out how much the Turbo cost, So I have the 997C2s X51
While not a patch on the GT3 for raw excitment , and maybe its the options I chose, it still feels very different tot he stock C2S' I have driven. Sticking to my original comment more like a mini turbo

I understand why you have gone 997S with X-51 & lets be 100% honest the standard S is a stunning car & the X-51 must be even better.

My post was rather me playing "devils advocate" but also to highlight that the GT3 has changed in 997 form & everyone seems to relate to the previous models in judging it as too hardcore, when they haven't driven it!

In honesty I would not have had a 996GT3 it was simply too hard core on the B roads I drove every day, it blurred my vision. much as I loved its character! By recent comparison I have owned a 996C2 sports pack, 996C2 facelift & 996TT, had the TT for nearly 4 years & simply couldn't find anything to replace its awesome all round ability. Took an extended 36 hour test drive in the 997S & loved it but it just lacked the grunt of the TT, which was addictive!

I too looked at the 997TT, but don't like the design, meanwhile although faster than my 996TT, it was also less involving & more GT, plus I would have need another 50-60k to get into something that was only degrees better than the 996 IMO!

Hence the GT3, the new PASM offers a ride every bit as good as my Turbo, I have comfort spec, so it has Sat Nav, upgraded stereo & full leather, I didn't go for buckets & scaffolding, so you can flip the seats forward for rear storage. It now has traction control as standard, which is useful safety net with such an awesome engine. All I can say is I use it every day & it is fine, but it has all the outright grunt of the 996TT (although the TT is king of the mid-range) with a vastly better high screaming delivery & sounds 50 times better, all with fabulous drivers interaction that is a useful step up on the rest of the current Pork range! The tyres are fine in the wet, but loose out in aquaplaning resistance, although they only last about 4k miles which is stupid, I will be changing mine for road spec N rated Michelins come wear out time!I'm also not sure about the big rear wing & gaping front spoilers, much prefer the X-51's Q car stealth, but hey nothings perfect & as I've gone for silver it doesn't look too flashy! There is also some vibration in the cabin at 3k revs & a little more raod noise, so it is slightly less refined than an S, but not by much because the engine dominates!

Price all in including Xenons etc etc, less than £85k, 20k less than a 997TT & 4k more than your example of an X-51!

I really believe the new Gt3 is (relatively speaking) something of a bargain, anyway not to detract from the 997S (which I love) just to say chaps don't rule out the latest generation GT3 because of past reputation, Porsche really have moved its daily drivability a big step foward whilst retaining its drivers credentials!

 

[marcus a]

Grant, I too wasn't convinced with the looks of 997 TT, but unlike you I absolutely love the aggressive looks of the new GT3. Something which really interests me is your comparison with the 996TT as from a recent trip to my OPC enquiring about the GT3 they told me that I would not enjoy the road manners and said even in standard setting it was much firmer than my car which I didn't want. They also told me that I would find a X51 power kitted 997S noticably down on power and torque to the 996TT, even though I note in some of these threads it is claimed to be just as quick. Perhaps the salesman just wanted to take more of my cash and get me to sign up for the 997TT which was the other car on my list.
Having found no car I wished to exchange for mine I recently fit a Techart sports exhaust, offering a bit more power and tons more noise which I must say is loads of fun and keeps me smiling but with waiting lists forcing forward planning I need to make a decision. I am happy with the handling and set up of my car but I discounted the GT3 for the ride being just too firm and uncomfortable for road use, even though the rest of the package made me want one. From reading your threads describing the new GT3 as a reasonably comfortable road car, I will now certainly insist on a test drive.

 

[Grant]

ORIGINAL: marcus a

Grant, I too wasn't convinced with the looks of 997 TT, but unlike you I absolutely love the aggressive looks of the new GT3. Something which really interests me is your comparison with the 996TT as from a recent trip to my OPC enquiring about the GT3 they told me that I would not enjoy the road manners and said even in standard setting it was much firmer than my car which I didn't want. They also told me that I would find a X51 power kitted 997S noticably down on power and torque to the 996TT, even though I note in some of these threads it is claimed to be just as quick. Perhaps the salesman just wanted to take more of my cash and get me to sign up for the 997TT which was the other car on my list.
Having found no car I wished to exchange for mine I recently fit a Techart sports exhaust, offering a bit more power and tons more noise which I must say is loads of fun and keeps me smiling but with waiting lists forcing forward planning I need to make a decision. I am happy with the handling and set up of my car but I discounted the GT3 for the ride being just too firm and uncomfortable for road use, even though the rest of the package made me want one. From reading your threads describing the new GT3 as a reasonably comfortable road car, I will now certainly insist on a test drive.

The 996TT is a hard car to replace & I am sure you won't be short changed if you keep it!
I had a Cargraphic sports exhaust fitted to my Turbo & agree it increased the interaction & made the turbos spool quicker, but the naturally aspirated engines (alla GT3) are on another aural level, frankly the GT3's noise is bordering on orgasmic!!!!!!!

As we have both said the 997TT is a better version of the same, but for that huge chunk of cash more, but the 997GT3 offers a new experience, a refreshing change, with the same outright grunt, but more driver involvment! The problem in finding out if the new GT3 will suit you is compounded by the fact that you can't get a test drive unless you are willing to travel to find a used example! I took the plunge based on press reports & all I can say is after a TT it works for me as my daily driver!

 

[okellyt]

ORIGINAL: YvesD

Brothers, time for a reality check.

Why can't we treat our cars just like our beloved wives ?

Sure, there is always a newer and more attractive model just around the corner but therein lies the road to ruin and elusive satisfaction.

No, we should cherish what we have, care for it and accept the 'moment in time' when we say, enough is enough.

Thinking of 997 in particular, the shape is a timeless classic, destined to take up the 'last propper' shape 993 mantle and take it into the next millenia with decent technology and build to boot.

Taking my own advice ( fiddling with the basic product excepted ! ).

Yves

Should I ask what fiddling with the baisc product means as in relation to ones wife?[]

Also you might be on a flaw there - there is probably a fair % of guys/gals out there who if they were honest - if they could get away without loosing half the house, half the money/pension and the Porsche, they would swap their wives/husbands in for the newest youngest model[:-]

 

[okellyt]

Grant

Well said - like most others here given the cash I'd have a GT3 in the garage for the odd play day (mid life crisis or not). As I said earlier I'll have to blag an OPC test drive and find out what I am missing

Likewise I was playing devils advocate

Enjoy your car - hopefully I'll get the chance to see/hear it at a Porsche club do.

Marcus

An advert for the dark side here - What they don't widely advertise about the x51 - 2 more hp than the 996GT3 only 30kgs more with much better ride (PASM) and 32 lbft more torque plus much lower in the range. As per Grants comments comfort for cruise all through the range has improved over last generation.

So what you get is a power to weight of around 269 bhp/tonne and a 0-100 of 9.8 secs (quoted direct from Porsche) 0.2 secs quicker than the 996 Turbo> You also get that lovelly normally aspirated 6 pot scream at high revs through the sports exhaust (comes std with x51). Red line is now 7450 as oppsoed to 7200

Take a basic C2S and add x51 still gets you Xenons and PASM sets you back about £74k new.........

Not for everyone but if you like something a bit stealthy, Porsche have found a corker with the x51. And it does have a lot more mid range grunt than the standard C2S

 

[YvesD]

Guys,

Loosely based around this thread because we have discussed the topic in relation to our Porsches, I thought you might like to know that I had my BMW 120d remapped by DMS today. []

According to DMS my 2 litre diesel now has 208bhp and 406Nm torque @2000 rpm !

All I can tell you is, post mod, its absolutely barking mad !

Fantastic

Yves