Saratoga Sunroof - Bulk-Buy
- Thread starter zcacogp
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Right, I'm a-bumping this thread. It's disappeared into the depths of the PGCB archive and I want to know how everyone is getting on with their rooves.
Me? I'm not that chuffed with it. I'm on my second (for reasons that are unrelated) and it's rattly when open and causes much whistling when closed. A bit more detail;
- It seems to rattle when open, although I think that may be a peculiarity of my car as mine seems to open a few millimetres wider than most. If I don't quite open it all the way then it doesn't rattle, and I guess I can adjust my sunroof mechanism to limit the opening amount (I think you move the limit switches slightly - can anyone confirm?)
- It whistles most annoyingly when closed because the seals around the edge are coming off. Here's a photo:
Yes, I know it's not the greatest of photos but this is the front of the car and the seal has fallen down lower than the surrounding bodywork, which causes the wind noise. I've spoken with the ever-patient Nick Gardiner (whom I met at the London Classic Car show - here's a photo
) and he said that he is willing to put right anything that is wrong with the rooves supplied but my concern is that any replacement will be as bad as the one I have.
My question therefore is whether anyone else has the same problem with the seals on their sunroof and what glue anyone might recommend sticking them back on with. For what it's worth, I asked Nick about doing this and his comment was that when the rooves are made they are placed in a die to get the seals right, and the die is the same shape as the sunroof aperture on the car (I suspect it is pretty much just a 944 roof) and that sticking the seals on again would risk getting them out of place. None the less, I think I am happy to go carefully and see what success I can find - it's got to be better than the current arrangement.
Oli.
Me? I'm not that chuffed with it. I'm on my second (for reasons that are unrelated) and it's rattly when open and causes much whistling when closed. A bit more detail;
- It seems to rattle when open, although I think that may be a peculiarity of my car as mine seems to open a few millimetres wider than most. If I don't quite open it all the way then it doesn't rattle, and I guess I can adjust my sunroof mechanism to limit the opening amount (I think you move the limit switches slightly - can anyone confirm?)
- It whistles most annoyingly when closed because the seals around the edge are coming off. Here's a photo:
Yes, I know it's not the greatest of photos but this is the front of the car and the seal has fallen down lower than the surrounding bodywork, which causes the wind noise. I've spoken with the ever-patient Nick Gardiner (whom I met at the London Classic Car show - here's a photo
) and he said that he is willing to put right anything that is wrong with the rooves supplied but my concern is that any replacement will be as bad as the one I have.
My question therefore is whether anyone else has the same problem with the seals on their sunroof and what glue anyone might recommend sticking them back on with. For what it's worth, I asked Nick about doing this and his comment was that when the rooves are made they are placed in a die to get the seals right, and the die is the same shape as the sunroof aperture on the car (I suspect it is pretty much just a 944 roof) and that sticking the seals on again would risk getting them out of place. None the less, I think I am happy to go carefully and see what success I can find - it's got to be better than the current arrangement.
Oli.
944Scott
New member
I had a wonky seal which I had to resolve. the roof sits nicely and I do not get any wind noise (well not unless my speed is in three digits) In the last week though I have noticed it rattles when closed and when its partially open which does not go away if poking about with it whilst the car is being driven, the only time it disappears is with it fully open.
Timinchorley
New member
Mine went back to Pilks. Never got past attempting to fit to the car. One of the clamp nuts (mushrooms) broke through inadequate thread engagement, and the weld failed on the thin sheet metal tongue front and centre.
Nick was brilliant and gave me a full refund right rapid. Thumbs up to him.
Car is now in for its planned respray - including the roof panel!
Tim.
Nick was brilliant and gave me a full refund right rapid. Thumbs up to him.
Car is now in for its planned respray - including the roof panel!
Tim.
Suffolk944
Moderator
Sorry to hear our your trials and tribulatuons Oli. On the end I decided against taking up the option of rebuying a revised roof. On balance am glad I decided not to
I am happy enough with mine, apart from anything else, it means I have one panel without a dent in it - and I will be really worried if it ever does! That said, others may wish to put a hose on their's and check, as I did get one drip from one of the front cat he's when it was raining the other day! Definitely not from the seal, but passenger front catch. Haven't seen anything more, and the car leaks plenty of other places, so I can live with it!
I am very pleased with mine.
Not being a diy-er I got my garage to fit it. That cost me half the price of the Saratoga ! But I am glad I did as, I am told, it requires quite a bit of messing around to get the fixings correct and level.
Anyway, the net result is excellent: no rattles, seems to be watertight so far, no whistling wind at motorway speeds, and more light.
Though I have to say that, because the panel is basically behind one's head, it doesn't make quite as much difference to the interior light as I thought it would. But enough.
So: a definite plus !
Antony
(Iris blue Sport)
Not being a diy-er I got my garage to fit it. That cost me half the price of the Saratoga ! But I am glad I did as, I am told, it requires quite a bit of messing around to get the fixings correct and level.
Anyway, the net result is excellent: no rattles, seems to be watertight so far, no whistling wind at motorway speeds, and more light.
Though I have to say that, because the panel is basically behind one's head, it doesn't make quite as much difference to the interior light as I thought it would. But enough.
So: a definite plus !
Antony
(Iris blue Sport)
Martin,
That looks remarkably like mine, which is suffering exactly the same problem. And I'm not entirely sure what to do about it either.
Do you mind if I eMail Nick with both your photo and mine and ask him for advice? If you want to send me your eMail address then I'll copy you in - my eMail address is ogp(at)deep-green.co.uk.
Oli.
That looks remarkably like mine, which is suffering exactly the same problem. And I'm not entirely sure what to do about it either.
Do you mind if I eMail Nick with both your photo and mine and ask him for advice? If you want to send me your eMail address then I'll copy you in - my eMail address is ogp(at)deep-green.co.uk.
Oli.
Very true !zcacogp said:
It took my garage (so they say) a couple of hours to make adjustments - I believe under the headlining by the catches.
I can ask them, if it would help anyone.
But the wonky seal seems to be a whole other problem.
I haven't used my roof much (I have aircon [
]); but I think I should to see if the seal stays where it should.Antony
(Iris blue Sport)
Timinchorley
New member
John: Surely bonding defeats the purpose? Whilst lightening up the cabin, you'd still want fresh air? As Antony says, he has air con, but most of us don't. Mine went back for a refund cos I just didn't trust its mounting hardware. Now my car is painted the OE roof gives fresh air, even if it is a bit dark in there.
Tim.
Tim.
Timinchorley
New member
John: Surely bonding defeats the purpose? Whilst lightening up the cabin, you'd still want fresh air? As Antony says, he has air con, but most of us don't. Mine went back for a refund cos I just didn't trust its mounting hardware. Now my car is painted the OE roof gives fresh air, even if it is a bit dark in there.
Tim.
Tim.
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